Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Notice that in the 39 years that the current hate-crimes law has been on the books, there has never been a single “thought crime” charge brought against anyone, nor has there been a single "thought crime" legislation proposed.
Originally posted by FeceMan
I don't think there will be a "thought crime" legislation, but I do believe that, at some point, it will be illegal to say that homosexuality is morally wrong.
And that it shouldn't be taught as normal, and that children shouldn't be encoraged into it.
^^^That's exactly what many religious groups believe and teach, that homosexuality is morally wrong.
Will that be allowed in the future, or will it be a "hate crime" to say so?
That is the big issue that is causing this legislation not to get passed, not that anybody wants to see gays beat up or hinder prosecution of assaults/murders. (which get prosecuted and offenders punished already for the simple act of harming somebody)
Originally posted by sithsaber408
And that it shouldn't be taught as normal, and that children shouldn't be encoraged into it.^^^That's exactly what many religious groups believe and teach, that homosexuality is morally wrong.
Will that be allowed in the future, or will it be a "hate crime" to say so?
That is the big issue that is causing this legislation not to get passed, not that anybody wants to see gays beat up or hinder prosecution of assaults/murders. (which get prosecuted and offenders punished already for the simple act of harming somebody)
"Bill Would Include Gays Under Hate Crimes Law" by The Associated PressLast July the FBI was called in to help in the investigation of a cross-burning at the home of a gay man in Athens, Tennessee but the bureau said that even if the people responsible were caught they could not be prosecuted under federal law.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
And that it shouldn't be taught as normal, and that children shouldn't be encoraged into it.^^^That's exactly what many religious groups believe and teach, that homosexuality is morally wrong.
Will that be allowed in the future, or will it be a "hate crime" to say so?
That is the big issue that is causing this legislation not to get passed, not that anybody wants to see gays beat up or hinder prosecution of assaults/murders. (which get prosecuted and offenders punished already for the simple act of harming somebody)
No one teaches "it". "It" isn't encouraged by any person, religion, political party, etc. It's this insane notion that is maintained by people on your side of the aisle (or your side of the pew as it were) that causes so much needless friction in this country. I don't get so many christians. They want to uphold their own constitutional rights at the expense of everyone else in this country. It's absurd. Then, on top of it, as though their religious fanaticism weren't enough, they have to lie about things like this bill to substantiate their claims. No one is going to loose any freedoms of speech, least of all religious hate mongers.
It will never be illegal to call homosexuality morally wrong. If anyone on this board thinks that will be the case, you've bought into the religious right's lies.
Originally posted by sithsaber408Legislators are supposed to pass legislation based on what the merits of the bill itself, not what it could 'potentially' turn into.
And that it shouldn't be taught as normal, and that children shouldn't be encoraged into it.^^^That's exactly what many religious groups believe and teach, that homosexuality is morally wrong.
Will that be allowed in the future, or will it be a "hate crime" to say so?
That is the big issue that is causing this legislation not to get passed, not that anybody wants to see gays beat up or hinder prosecution of assaults/murders. (which get prosecuted and offenders punished already for the simple act of harming somebody)
Racial or prejudicial motives for violent crimes are aggravating circumstance and should be prosecuted accordingly. Punishing someone for what they think is immoral and wrong. But punishing people for acting violently on radical beliefs (yes, on both sides of the political spectrum) is only rational.
And yes, SS, homosexuality is a natural occurrence. It occurs in nature=natural. I don't give a shit what the religious say, they are not authorities on what is 'natural' or not.
And the religious right are saying that homosexuality is encouraged? C'MON! You're smarter than that.
Originally posted by Starhawk
Nope, just trying to keep you from teaching others to hate groups in our society. Good work as far as I'm concerned.
The government is limiting what you can and can not say, that is almost never a good thing. Unless you are asking people to commit violent acts you aren't doing anything wrong no matter what you say. Should be really simple.
Originally posted by Starhawk
As I said if small minded, ignorant people want to THINK what they do, no one is saying they can't. But they can't say it outloud and especially not for the purposes of encouraging hate towards others.
Well, for voicing their opinion, if they don't like something or someone they should be able to say so, if they attack someone they will go to jail.