The Thought Police (new hate crimes law)...

Yeah well thats a very re-activist way of thinking.

We prefer pro-active ways, such as stopping them before the person gets attacked.

And no they shouldn't be able to if that will encourage others to commit violence.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Yeah well thats a very re-activist way of thinking.

We prefer pro-active ways, such as stopping them before the person gets attacked.

And no they shouldn't be able to if that will encourage others to commit violence.

Why not before the person offender is born?

And who defines what someone can and can not say, it places so much power in the hands of a few people.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Why not before the person offender is born?

And who defines what someone can and can not say, it places so much power in the hands of a few people.

Don't give outrageous examples, it does nothing to help your argument.

No it places it in the courts and elected officials. Thank god our legal system isn't voted in the way America's is.

And as I have said maybe a million times, which people seem to have a hard time reading. Canada has had these laws for some time now and we have no problems with them getting out of control.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Don't give outrageous examples, it does nothing to help your argument.

No it places it in the courts and elected officials. Thank god our legal system isn't voted in the way America's is.

And as I have said maybe a million times, which people seem to have a hard time reading. Canada has had these laws for some time now and we have no problems with them getting out of control.

Oh it does. It does actually.

Yeah, they are just not that good, and they probably don't even help.

Well Canada is living proof your wrong. We have a lower hate crime rate then the US and stronger laws.

And is the US and Canada the same? No. The same laws will not work here.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Well Canada is living proof your wrong. We have a lower hate crime rate then the US and stronger laws.

And a most different history. So that's bullshit, statistically.

LOL so your argument is that American's are just to weak to have that kind of power in the face of other countries that have made it work, quite well I might add.

I want to add something for nobodies benefit but my own:

Starhawk is promoting the idea that the hate speech laws in Canada are that much different than those in America.

I just want to point out, that in practice, they really are not. I could go stand on the corner and scream anti-semetic rhetoric, and while people may care, it's not different than other speech.

In Canada, say if someone is a school teacher that promotes hate and tests their students on hateful ideas, then yes, we throw them in jail. Skinheads, no, not so much. Only when they do violent things.

Actually your wrong. We can arrest people for publicly promoting hate and publishing hate literature.

such as?

I know Keegstra got in trouble, but Zundel got off did he not?

Originally posted by Starhawk
LOL so your argument is that American's are just to weak to have that kind of power in the face of other countries that have made it work, quite well I might add.

Wow. We are saying that just because it works in Canada doesn't mean it will work in the United States.

Whether or not we have successful convictions or not the laws are still there. Not everyone who commits murder gets locked up, does that mean we don't have laws against it?

did you notice the part where I said "in practice"

meaning that, the practice and interpretation of the laws in Canada are almost identical to those in America...

No they are not we have prosecuted people for making hate speeches and publishing hate literature. And law is my area, I think I understand our laws and how they are applied.

Then why did this guy get off?

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v13/v13n3p16_Weber.html

Because denying the holocaust isn't hate speech unless it teaches hate against the jews. And a good lawyer can do wonders.

Originally posted by Starhawk
No they are not we have prosecuted people for making hate speeches and publishing hate literature. And law is my area, I think I understand our laws and how they are applied.

Literature, fair enough. But, the day you can prosecute someone for what they say is, in my view, another step towards tyranny.

Originally posted by Devil King
No one is going to loose any freedoms of speech, least of all religious hate mongers.

It will [b]never be illegal to call homosexuality morally wrong. If anyone on this board thinks that will be the case, you've bought into the religious right's lies. [/B]

Originally posted by Starhawk
LOL so your argument is that American's are just to weak to have that kind of power in the face of other countries that have made it work, quite well I might add.

Bull-****ing-shit.

Show figures of hate crime before and after the laws are in place.

For an apparent law major you are astoundingly dumb.