Originally posted by Starhawk
No they are not we have prosecuted people for making hate speeches and publishing hate literature. And law is my area, I think I understand our laws and how they are applied.
I'm very willing to concede to your expertise, but tell me, who is currently in a canadian jail for having a nazi flag, or for talking with others about anti-sematism?
yes they are there
and i agree with them in practice. There are people who promote dangerous ideologies, and they should probably be silenced simply because they pose a threat to the Canadian population
However, our government doesn't waste time with petty hate speech legislation. Sure they COULD, but its something that our society doesn't do.
The same way you can walk down the street in many Canadian cities smoking pot with little trouble from the police. There are exceptions, and Cambridge, where I live, is certainly one. But in bigger more progressive cities like Toronto or Waterloo, the comparison holds.
EDIT: I was more looking for a single instance. I honestly don't think we put people with nazi flags in jail...
Originally posted by inimalist
yes they are thereand i agree with them in practice. There are people who promote dangerous ideologies, and they should probably be silenced simply because they pose a threat to the Canadian population
However, our government doesn't waste time with petty hate speech legislation. Sure they COULD, but its something that our society doesn't do.
The same way you can walk down the street in many Canadian cities smoking pot with little trouble from the police. There are exceptions, and Cambridge, where I live, is certainly one. But in bigger more progressive cities like Toronto or Waterloo, the comparison holds.
EDIT: I was more looking for a single instance. I honestly don't think we put people with nazi flags in jail...
"dangerous" ideology can be solved via logic and common sense, not censorship, if it were up to you, the Internet would be censored to the point of not being able to research certain topics because it would activate the imagination, come on now, just know that burning books was tried a long time ago, people simply developed photographic memory to preserve the "dangerous" information. i love the idea of reading any topic known to mankind, it's fun, and sometimes does cause a sharp incline in excitement, but logic kicks in soon afterward and i realize it was worth the ride.
wow, why not look at things that I have said, IN THIS VERY THREAD NO LESS
Originally posted by inimalist
I respectfully disagree with yousure, you can call hypocrisy, but living in an advanced democracy, I am willing to bend my moral position enough to get the benefits of society.
Thats my general take on the issue anyways. Freedom of speech doesn't mean that acting like a retard is ok. Clearly I'd never call a black man a ****** to his face, though I see no problems with it (I also don't see a whole lot of problems with whoever does getting their ass kicked afterward... that totally a different issues though). However, I'd like to think that if there were ever a time that I thought it in my best interest to express myself, I would certainly defend my right to do so to the death, regardless of whether or not my words were classified as "hate".
gee, that sure sounds like the rhetoric of someone in favor of censorship
Originally posted by inimalist
yes they are thereand i agree with them in practice. There are people who promote dangerous ideologies, and they should probably be silenced simply because they pose a threat to the Canadian population
However, our government doesn't waste time with petty hate speech legislation. Sure they COULD, but its something that our society doesn't do.
The same way you can walk down the street in many Canadian cities smoking pot with little trouble from the police. There are exceptions, and Cambridge, where I live, is certainly one. But in bigger more progressive cities like Toronto or Waterloo, the comparison holds.
EDIT: I was more looking for a single instance. I honestly don't think we put people with nazi flags in jail...
Okay, you cannot fly a Nazi flag in Canada, the only time you can show the Nazi Flag is in proper historical context. My high school found this out when we put on "The Sound of Music", we had to be very careful.
Originally posted by Starhawk
Yup, We had to store the flag in the basement of the school because if one student saw it in the hallways, not only could the arts director get in trouble with the law but he and the school could be sued. We were given a very strict lecture on it by the school's law department.
Haha. My history teacher had three nazi flags that he put up all over his classroom and still does.
Originally posted by Starhawk
Why is that? I mean our criminal justice system is a disgrace to the term itself, but our hate crime laws is one of the few parts of it I can stomach.Is there a thread for the Young Offenders Act? Cause thats a law that needs to go out the door.
honestly, thats a breech in my opinion
if i wanted to put up a nazi flag in my house I should be able to. Private property and all that. The fact the "man" wont let me makes me want it.
Man, you like to rag on the Canadian justice system. Whats your #1 beef?
Originally posted by RocasAtoll
Haha. My history teacher had three nazi flags that he put up all over his classroom and still does.
Are you in Canada? Cause if a history teacher puts one up here, she/he must make it part of an overall display for educational purposes and make sure the display does not in anyway favor the nazi party nor any prejudice. Seriously guys, the law on this in Canada is so strict it's not funny.
Originally posted by inimalist
honestly, thats a breech in my opinionif i wanted to put up a nazi flag in my house I should be able to. Private property and all that. The fact the "man" wont let me makes me want it.
Man, you like to rag on the Canadian justice system. Whats your #1 beef?
If you mean what angers me on a constant and fervent basis, it would be the Young Offenders Act. The last time we debated it in class I had to spend a considerable amount of time in a bar shortly after it ended.
Originally posted by Starhawk
If you mean what angers me on a constant and fervent basis, it would be the Young Offenders Act. The last time we debated it in class I had to spend a considerable amount of time in a bar shortly after it ended.
haha, ya, I've heard lots of people go off on that
whats your take on it? I really don't know, childhood stuff is so weird and touchy, really hard to determine how responsible a child at any age is.