Originally posted by jinzin
Hulks powerset doesn't really make sense either.
i'm not saying it does. his strength to mass ratio, and that of virtually every other superhero, is ridiculous and fully unexplainable without including super-science. but, as the hulk complaint [can't have infinite strength] was a response to a wolverine complaint [shouldn't be able to withstand the hulk,] so was the wolverine complaint [healed from a skeleton] a response to the additional hulk complaint [powers/mass from pocket dimension.] it was to show, again, how double standards cut both ways, and how a complaint of one character warrants a similar complaint from another. i didn't "miss the point" of the entire conversation i was a part of, i simply made another, similar point.
Originally posted by Disappear
i'm not saying it does. his strength to mass ratio, and that of virtually every other superhero, is ridiculous and fully unexplainable without including super-science. but, as the hulk complaint [can't have infinite strength] was a response to a wolverine complaint [shouldn't be able to withstand the hulk,] so was the wolverine complaint [healed from a skeleton] a response to the additional hulk complaint [powers/mass from pocket dimension.] it was to show, again, how double standards cut both ways, and how a complaint of one character warrants a similar complaint from another. i didn't "miss the point" of the entire conversation i was a part of, i simply made another, similar point.
By doing so you're inadvertantly invalidating the reasoning for bringing up the counter Hulk example in the first place...
all and all, I agree with Soljer in that science, physics, and logic get a one trip out the window when it comes to comics. I agree that basic principles still apply but the suspension of disbelief that allows for us to actually enjoy comic book has to be so well intigrated into the mind of the reader, that subjecting ANY character under such superficial double standards just seems to be ridiculous to me.
the problem really stems from when they attempt to subvert super-science, and use or attempt using real science. they always seem to **** it up. spider-man's spider sense has always just been an extrasensory ability derived from a spider's instincts, but stark's explanation made it pheremone based? things of that nature just cause problems.
Originally posted by Disappear
the problem really stems from when they attempt to subvert super-science, and use or attempt using real science. they always seem to **** it up. spider-man's spider sense has always just been an extrasensory ability derived from a spider's instincts, but stark's explanation made it pheremone based? things of that nature just cause problems.
agreed.
Originally posted by jinzinall and all, I agree with Soljer in that science, physics, and logic get a one trip out the window when it comes to comics. I agree that basic principles still apply but the suspension of disbelief that allows for us to actually enjoy comic book has to be so well intigrated into the mind of the reader, that subjecting ANY character under such superficial double standards just seems to be ridiculous to me.
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Originally posted by jinzin
Nah, he actually did pretty good, Hulk's supposedly stronger now than he ever has been and quite frankly wolverine took more punishment in that fight than Herc, Thing, OR She Hulk were able to stand up to. I think it's still damned impressive.
i am not bashing him but he should not of done so well, a normal savage hulk shoudl realistically KO him as he gets put down by weaker guys but how he sustained longer than herc, juggernaut,she hulk is a joke , wolverine has a healing factor yes but he has always but hulk is stronger and if he can put crecters on thier asses and struggles with the likes of wolverine,colossus,thing who traded blow(yh like that shoudl happen) who should be ko'd instantly it is purely because the writer needs to keep the fans happy and fill up the pages if you think about it things upeer limit for strength as colossus's is around 1000 tons at most but hulk is cleary in the millions which is thousands of times stronger so if you thought about it 1 punch form a pissed off hulk should shatter them and cripple them
Originally posted by jinzin
and quite frankly wolverine took more punishment in that fight than Herc, Thing, OR She Hulk were able to stand up to. I think it's still damned impressive.
Debatable
He got knocked about 5 miles in the first hit, healed up and came back (which is what he usually does).
Basically Hulk just got smart and realized that the only way to keep Logan down would be to make it so he would need at least a couple HOURS to heal, not minutes.
So my point is, it was more healing factor than durability (although you can say otherwise, I dunno I'm not going to argue about it 😬 )
Originally posted by Grimm22
DebatableHe got knocked about 5 miles in the first hit, healed up and came back (which is what he usually does).
Basically Hulk just got smart and realized that the only way to keep Logan down would be to make it so he would need at least a couple HOURS to heal, not minutes.
So my point is, it was more healing factor than durability (although you can say otherwise, I dunno I'm not going to argue about it 😬 )
No it's not debateable. 🤨
I didn't say one damned thaing about durability, what I SAID was that Wolverine took more punishment and he did. There's nothing to debate.
Originally posted by ankur29
i am not bashing him but he should not of done so well, a normal savage hulk shoudl realistically KO him as he gets put down by weaker guys
Originally posted by ankur29
but how he sustained longer than herc, juggernaut,she hulk is a joke ,
Originally posted by ankur29Likewise, one could argue that the only reason Hulk's so strong is to keep his fans happy, when a character does something over and over agian it just seems a bit odd not to accept it as part of their capabilities. 😬
wolverine has a healing factor yes but he has always but hulk is stronger and if he can put crecters on thier asses and struggles with the likes of wolverine,colossus,thing who traded blow(yh like that shoudl happen) who should be ko'd instantly it is purely because the writer needs to keep the fans happy and fill up the pages if you think about it things upeer limit for strength as colossus's is around 1000 tons at most but hulk is cleary in the millions which is thousands of times stronger so if you thought about it 1 punch form a pissed off hulk should shatter them and cripple them
Hey, uh, jinzin.. what do you think about this post:
Originally posted by ankur29as he should wwh or savage hulk, making wolveirne surve so long in a hulk fight is making hulk look weak these days whereas other chrecters like sasquatch,namor,wonderman can knock him out easily [/B][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=9364097]Originally posted by BillyG
[B]Hulk is good so far but Logan lost to easily.
well considering that none of those characters HAVE knocked Wolverine out easily (save one classic encounter with sas which was a blindside anyways), it's more or less a heap of crap. 😬
I wonder where these people come up with this nonsense for "weaker guys do it all the time", maybe they're just not reading the stories or something.
Originally posted by Grimm22
DebatableHe got knocked about 5 miles in the first hit, healed up and came back (which is what he usually does).
Basically Hulk just got smart and realized that the only way to keep Logan down would be to make it so he would need at least a couple HOURS to heal, not minutes.
So my point is, it was more healing factor than durability (although you can say otherwise, I dunno I'm not going to argue about it 😬 )
Heres the thing though, ten thousand punches from the Hulk isn't going to do more damage to Wolverine's brain the one punch from the Hulk because Wolverine's durability isn't far enough removed from baseline human to make a difference. One punch from someone in Hulk strength class would turn Wolverine's muscles/flesh/organs into a fine paste... several punches in quick recession isn't going to do any more damage to a brain that has been liquefied then one punch does. If Wolverine can heal fast enough to take one hit from the Hulk, he can heal from dozens... and if he can't then the first hit should have koed him... unless he does have insane durability... which he doesn't.
Wolverine getting brain damage from the punches made no sense, Wolverine's brain isn't exclusive from his healing factor. 😕
Originally posted by ankur29
i am not bashing him but he should not of done so well, a normal savage hulk shoudl realistically KO him as he gets put down by weaker guys but how he sustained longer than herc, juggernaut,she hulk is a joke , wolverine has a healing factor yes but he has always but hulk is stronger and if he can put crecters on thier asses and struggles with the likes of wolverine,colossus,thing who traded blow(yh like that shoudl happen) who should be ko'd instantly it is purely because the writer needs to keep the fans happy and fill up the pages if you think about it things upeer limit for strength as colossus's is around 1000 tons at most but hulk is cleary in the millions which is thousands of times stronger so if you thought about it 1 punch form a pissed off hulk should shatter them and cripple them
Imagine that Colossus is a slab of concrete and Wolverine is a piece of glass... only one that instantly repairs itself when it is broken or damaged. Sure concrete is much more durable but once it takes damage, the damage is there and can continue to build up, a self repair piece of glass... well... it self repairs.
Originally posted by srankmissingninThat actually convinced me that Wolverine loses more so then before... ermmnone
Imagine that Colossus is a slab of concrete and Wolverine is a piece of glass... only one that instantly repairs itself when it is broken or damaged. Sure concrete is much more durable but once it takes damage, the damage is there and can continue to build up, a self repair piece of glass... well... it self repairs.
I mean, self repairs, yada yada...
But, piece of glass compared to slab of concrete?