Post-KOTOR Revan & Ulic Qel-Droma vs. ROTS Mace & Palpatine

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Post-KOTOR Revan & Ulic Qel-Droma vs. ROTS Mace & Palpatine

No amulet blasts.

All-out fight onboard the Invisible Hand.

Who takes it?

I believe Team 2 wins this one, not an easy fight at all for them, though.

Hmm... to close for me to call.

Team 2 takes this Palpatine is already the strongest sith ever by this time. And Mace was nearly able to kill him, not to mention his shatterpoint and vapaad will come in handy when fighting. Mace by himself is probaly stronger then ulic. He can at the very least give Revan a run for his money.

As good as Revan and Ulic are, Mace and Sidious could be just a little bit better with a saber and Sidious has the force advantage, even on Revan.

Maybe Revan is slightly better in saber combat than Mace, but not enough to make the difference anyway.

This is a very hard fight indeed!

POST-KOTOR Revan is an exceptional match for ROTS Palpatine. When these two will engage, it will be a long and hard duel.

Now the clash between Ulic Qel Droma and Mace Windu will actually decide the fate of this duel. Both are master swordsmen though.

Anyways, I am not giving a conclusion yet...

The RotS novelization confirms that Yoda was the 'most devastatingly powerful foe the darkness had ever known' until Luke came along. Like it or not, that puts Yoda above any incarnation of Revan. Sidious is Yoda's equal, so he would naturally be stronger than Revan as well. This will be difficult, however, but Sidious and Mace should win.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
This is a very hard fight indeed!

POST-KOTOR Revan is an exceptional match for ROTS Palpatine. When these two will engage, it will be a long and hard duel.

In terms of lightsaber skills i dont know

Originally posted by Gideon
The RotS novelization confirms that Yoda was the 'most devastatingly powerful foe the darkness had ever known' until Luke came along. Like it or not, that puts Yoda above any incarnation of Revan. Sidious is Yoda's equal, so he would naturally be stronger than Revan as well. This will be difficult, however, but Sidious and Mace should win.

Dude, haven't we been over this? That was entirely Yoda's POV on the matter, it's not canon fact.

shut your pie hole Noobaris, everything canon you don't agree with is "debatable". I'm a Revan fanboy and even I can accept canon fact. This why you're a tool.

Yoda's POV is not a canon fact you dumb ****. He's fallible, and subject to being wrong. He quite clearly is in this case, how the hell is he supposed to know that he's the most powerful for the darkness has ever faced? Does he even know who Revan is?

Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
Yoda's POV is not a canon fact you dumb ****. He's fallible, and subject to being wrong. He quite clearly is in this case, how the hell is he supposed to know that he's the most powerful for the darkness has ever faced? Does he even know who Revan is?

Except it was stated by the omniscient character, not Yoda you Tool. Quit while you're behind.

Apollo, I'm a Revan fanboy as well, but canon is canon and you simply have no choice but accept it.

Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
Dude, haven't we been over this? That was entirely Yoda's POV on the matter, it's not canon fact.

The omniscient narrator said this to be true.

Team 2.

Originally posted by Gideon
The RotS novelization confirms that Yoda was the 'most devastatingly powerful foe the darkness had ever known' until Luke came along. Like it or not, that puts Yoda above any incarnation of Revan. Sidious is Yoda's equal, so he would naturally be stronger than Revan as well. This will be difficult, however, but Sidious and Mace should win.

Just wondering, where does it say that Revan is stronger as a Jedi than as a Sith?

Originally posted by darthsith19
Just wondering, where does it say that Revan is stronger as a Jedi than as a Sith?

Malak says it after his defeat.

The RotS novelization confirms that Yoda was the 'most devastatingly powerful foe the darkness had ever known' until Luke came along. Like it or not, that puts Yoda above any incarnation of Revan.

I’m not saying that quotes can’t support an argument, but one quote doesn’t make an argument - especially when it’s coming from a novelization, a source which contradicts the movies (and consequently, the head honcho Lucas) on numerous occasions. There should be several facts consistently showing that Yoda is beyond Revan, not one source which on numerous occasions displayed its fallibility and rather jaded depiction of events transpiring in ROTS.

I don’t doubt that Yoda’s powerful, but can he really match a Jedi/Sith that while amnesiatic was able to counter a Sith Lord on the level of Dooku absorbing an entire race of above average force users (and technology)? Even Bane who has shown more than Yoda feared Revan, and the former was capable of “nudging” objects several hundreds of thousands of kilograms in mass.

Sidious is Yoda's equal, so he would naturally be stronger than Revan as well.

In arguendo, assuming that the quote was true - which I simply can’t accept based on Yoda’s rather lackluster feats according to the supreme canon source and the novelization's reputation for contradicting movie details- how are you coming to the conclusion that Yoda is hands down Revan’s superior? Are you basing this on how Malak calls Revan stronger as a Jedi than he was as a Sith? If so, that would be Malak’s fallible opinion - bear in mind Chronicles states Malak didn’t even know everything Revan knew when the latter was the dark lord of the Sith. As you can see, I would honestly question whether Malak knew what the hell he was talking about.

I agree with POV of zephiel7!

Revan was so strong and skilled that he single-handedly easily killed two powerful Terentatek beasts in the Tomb of Naga Sadow in a single combat. And it is a well established fact that Terentateks are dubbed as Jedi slayers or killers and feast on the blood of Force sensitives. This feat alone speaks volumes about his capabilities.

Apart from this, what he accomplished in that huge battle of Star Forge was amazing and he was declared as the "The Prodigal Knight" by a famous Jedi Master of his age, for such an achievement.

Revan will give ROTS Sidious a very hard and long fight, which can go either way or result in a stalemate situation.

The duel between Ulic Qel Droma and Mace Windu however will actually decide the fate of this battle.

I think that Mace is possibly better then Ulic. Thus in my opinion, Team 2 has a slightly better chance for gaining victory in this fight.