Post-KOTOR Revan & Ulic Qel-Droma vs. ROTS Mace & Palpatine

Started by Gideon8 pages
I’m not saying that quotes can’t support an argument, but one quote doesn’t make an argument - especially when it’s coming from a novelization, a source which contradicts the movies (and consequently, the head honcho Lucas) on numerous occasions. There should be several facts consistently showing that Yoda is beyond Revan, not one source which on numerous occasions displayed its fallibility and rather jaded depiction of events transpiring in ROTS.

That's very much incorrect, Zephiel. Lightsnake, on EoD, has provided proof that George Lucas personally oversaw the contents of the RotS novelization, and Leeland Chee confirmed that direct contradictions - that is to say, actions, dialogue, and so forth - are overturned by the movies, but that the novelizations elaborate [and with canon] in regards to the narrative. Movies do not contradict the narrative set in place by the novelizations. A quote from a G-canon source is, actually, more concrete than anything provided from a lesser source. For example: were Revan's actions to depict him as a 'more powerful' Force user than Yoda, and it contradicted the quote [and thus the narrative itself] Yoda would still be considered more powerful. Canon cannot be debates nor misinterpreted. Quotes are more reliable than logical deduction, and in this case, when the quote is derived from the omniscient narrator of a G-canon source, the quote is more canon that interpretation of events and actions.

I don’t doubt that Yoda’s powerful, but can he really match a Jedi/Sith that while amnesiatic was able to counter a Sith Lord on the level of Dooku absorbing an entire race of above average force users (and technology)? Even Bane who has shown more than Yoda feared Revan, and the former was capable of “nudging” objects several hundreds of thousands of kilograms in mass.

This is irrelevant. Yoda's strength in the Force is now unquestionable. You can toss out examples of Revan's power all night, but the quote is from a G-canon source [making it higher up on the totem pole than KOTOR itself] and thus overturns everything that contradicts it.

In arguendo, assuming that the quote was true - which I simply can’t accept based on Yoda’s rather lackluster feats according to the supreme canon source and the novelization's reputation for contradicting movie details- how are you coming to the conclusion that Yoda is hands down Revan’s superior? Are you basing this on how Malak calls Revan stronger as a Jedi than he was as a Sith? If so, that would be Malak’s fallible opinion - bear in mind Chronicles states Malak didn’t even know everything Revan knew when the latter was the dark lord of the Sith. As you can see, I would honestly question whether Malak knew what the hell he was talking about.

The status of the novelization is unquestionable, Zephiel. Direct contradictions in the form of actions and dialogue is overturned by the movies, but when it comes to the storyline, narrative, and character thoughts, it doesn't. 'The most devastatingly powerful foe the darkness has ever known'. He is more powerful than any Jedi in the history of the Order.

LIIIIIIIIAAAAAAR! Stupid little liar.
He catches it and throws it aside AFTER being surprised

I'm not denying that he catches it and throws it aside, but what I'm trying to explain to you is the degree of difficulty he went through performing such a feat. Watch the video (05:19), he indeed does struggle; he's forced to drop his lightsaber, he has to put on his mean face to even catch the pillar, his hands tremble, his entire body shakes, he almost loses balance and falls over, and he only just pulls off the feat. Bane, in the same situation, would likely hurl the pillar at Dooku as if it was a pebble.

Whoops, eU doesn't contradict, Leland chee>You, whooops!

Yes it does, and Leland Chee is in no more of a position than I am to define what a contradiction is. the fact is, someone who struggles with lifting a tiny pillar can in no way lift up an entire mountain, that's just plain ridiculous.

IIIIIIIDDIIIIOT.
Official soruces say they are...Lucas okays that they are....SO THEY ARE. SORRY!!!!

You can say that all you want Lightsnake, but your words mean jack until you offer proof. The only 'official' sources you have ever provided have been effectively argued against (mostly by me), so either bring some new stuff to the table, or go home.

In a contradictory story it was mentioned and never substantiated later, OOPS!

The RotS novelisation, in many ways, contradicts the movies aka the highest form of canon yet we both know that the entire source, as a whole, minus the contradictions, remains valid, and we both know you'd never argue such a thing, so the fact that you're doing the same with BotS just proves how much of a hypocritical dumbass you really are. Point is, aspects of BotS contradict with higher forms of canon, and are thus invalid, however the aspects of the story I'm dealing with do no such thing, so you have no point.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Considering they involve killing Sith and a 'legion of triumphs' against the Dark Side...

Can you provide some details here?

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Prove up or shut up

A simple point is that wars provide the toughest possible challenges that a Jedi can face. Now if Yoda has engaged in some wars that were more devastating then the ones we saw in PT and OT periods, mention them here and if you can't then STFU.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Okayed by Lucas to be the most powerful. There we go

Did Lucas said that how much more powerful Yoda was from Revan?

Did he compared Revan with Yoda?

Did he even thought about old Force titans like Revan and Nihilus, when making such a remark? Ooops!

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Which were....?

Malak: "You have been a thorn in my path, since I betrayed you".

Whoops!

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Surprise, sure. Stunned?

His increased signs of frustrations showed that he was stunned.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
As opposed to all the Sith techniques Revan and Exar Kun and Naga Sadow use in their duels.
have a point?

And what are you trying to say here?

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Argue withe narrarator not me. All of revan's dark side knowledge was contained in the holocron. FACT. Palpatine learned all of what
Bane knew later, which includes all of what Bane learned from Revan. Plus DIRECT ACCESS to the spirits of the Ancient Sith, from whose leftover knowledge Revan learned his knowledge.

Guess what? Revan's knowledge was enough to alter the faith of the Sith once again.

And if Bane learned everything from Revan' holocron, then why did he not demonstrated those very dangerous Sith techniques that Bane considered to be too dangerous for even Sith Lords to try?

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Wowsers

And Bane was stated to have learned all of Revan's knowledge.
Oh, and Palpatine actively destroyed the Jedi and Republic if were comparing achievments


Through manipulation and support from a powerful clone military.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Thanks, end of story there

We can't argue about unknown things. Guess what? you made no sense with your point.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
and Yoda and Palopatine had access to much more knowledge regardless

Huh! right?

Revan studied not from just Korriban but also from Malachor V and Lehon. And guess what? Malachor V never existed in the time of Yoda and Sidious?

Whoops!

Originally posted by Gideon
I'm not present for a couple of days and the Revan-KOTOR-fan brigade comes out of nowhere and starts spewing out garbage? Nice. Well, I have some debates to tackle, I see. I'll get on it soon. Oh, and LeGenD, remember when you denied being a Revan-fanboy? You sure did one hell of a job proving it here.

I have already admitted that I am a fan of Revan and some other SW characters.

And defending a character is not always related to fanboyism.

And if I have proven to be a KOTOR Fanboy, then Lightsnake has more then proven himself to be a PT Fanboy.

Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
Yes, there is. The orbalisks constantly pump Bane up with darkside energies, giving him an infinite supply to use at his disposal.

Sorry, your opinion on the interpretation is irrelevant. Bane doesn't have an unlimited supply of the force.

No it doesn't, PoD in no way retcons the entire story, only aspects of the story.

Everything from finding nadd's holocron, to moving the moon. Your arguments about that have been destroyed countless times.

Nice how you provided an argument.

No need to. There's more than enough evidence that even TPM sidious>Bane, and since this debate has gone on so many times and you've been destroyed, there's no point in arguing with a dimwit.

PT Yoda struggled at lifting a pillar brought down by Dooku, which really wasn't too heavy, and really wasn't moving at too great a speed.

RotS Sidious failed to overpower that pussy.


Wonderful logic. I can't imagine WHY you're the worst debater on here.

Bane, by BotS, with the added power of the orbalisk armour, was capable of casually moving a moon, something roughly a gazillion times heavier than that tiny pillar that Yoda struggled with.

That fictitious point has been destroyed, keep trying.

Now I'm not going to argue that telekinesis, force defence, and general force strength and mastery are all directly proportional, because they're not, but those facts above should make it pretty obvious that Bane is far above anybody from the PT movies (given those are the two top dogs). [/B]

Denial. The #1 fanboy solution.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Did he even thought about old Force titans like Revan and Nihilus, when making such a remark? Ooops!

Legend. just accept the plain simple fact that yoda > revan, I dont care if revan is 90% or even 95% of yoda, Yoda still > him according to numerous sources and GL himself.

And by the way sidious didnt demonstrated his full powers in the movies, TPM could move faster than the eye can see.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Can you provide some details here?

I don't swee how one gets more detailed...that's what we know


A simple point is that wars provide the toughest possible challenges that a Jedi can face. Now if Yoda has engaged in some wars that were more devastating then the ones we saw in PT and OT periods, mention them here and if you can't then STFU.

Apparently a Sith or two-possibly Bane, quite a few conflicts, Dark Jedi, etc.
And, oh yes, stalemating the most powerful Sith ever


Did Lucas said that how much more powerful Yoda was from Revan?

Did he compared Revan with Yoda?


Does it matteR? He outright approved Yoda being the top

Did he even thought about old Force titans like Revan and Nihilus, when making such a remark? Ooops!

Why the **** would it matter? Does Lucas need to know every little thing before saying a fact? You think you can contradict the creator?


Malak: "You have been a thorn in my path, since I betrayed you".

Whoops!


Where the hell is the shock, stunning, etc?


His increased signs of frustrations showed that he was stunned.

Erm...irritating doesn't mean you're shocked or stunned...


And what are you trying to say here?

You're attempting to make a point of Palpatine only using so and so techniques in a fight...helluva lot more than two extremely powerful Sith of ancient times

Guess what? Revan's knowledge was enough to alter the faith of the Sith once again.

And Palpatine's was enought o take over the galaxy

And if Bane learned everything from Revan' holocron, then why did he not demonstrated those very dangerous Sith techniques that Bane considered to be too dangerous for even Sith Lords to try?

Gee, I dunno...maybe cause they're dangerous to try?


Through manipulation and support from a powerful clone military.

and, y'know, his force powers, genius and abilities


We can't argue about unknown things. Guess what? you made no sense with your point.

Thanks, end of story there


Huh! right?

Revan studied not from just Korriban but also from Malachor V and Lehon. And guess what? Malachor V never existed in the time of Yoda and Sidious?


So what? The knowledge still did. All of it nicely recorded

Whoops!

You're not clever. You're not funny.

Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
I'm not denying that he catches it and throws it aside, but what I'm trying to explain to you is the degree of difficulty he went through performing such a feat. Watch the video (05:19), he indeed does struggle; he's forced to drop his lightsaber, he has to put on his mean face to even catch the pillar, his hands tremble, his entire body shakes, he almost loses balance and falls over, and he only just pulls off the feat. Bane, in the same situation, would likely hurl the pillar at Dooku as if it was a pebble.

No, he LIFTS it, so his BODY MOVES. when you MOVE, other muscles have to MOVE. No strain was shown.

But you've convinced yourself already.

Sooooooooooooooooooooorrry, you stupid little ****...oh, and Yoda likely killed Bane. What'll you say if that happens


Yes it does, and Leland Chee is in no more of a position than I am to define what a contradiction is. the fact is, someone who struggles with lifting a tiny pillar can in no way lift up an entire mountain, that's just plain ridiculous.

AWWWWWW! SOOOOOORRRY! Apparently he doesn't struggle, idiot! Canon faaaaact. And on the subject, you dumbass, Chee defines what SW contradictions are, WHOOOOOOPS!


You can say that all you want Lightsnake, but your words mean jack until you offer proof. The only 'official' sources you have ever provided have been effectively argued against (mostly by me), so either bring some new stuff to the table, or go home.

Hmmm...msotly by you...cause you take **** out of context and insult the official sources and use your deluded mind whiole you suck Bane's dick


The RotS novelisation, in many ways, contradicts the movies aka the highest form of canon yet we both know that the entire source, as a whole, minus the contradictions, remains valid, and we both know you'd never argue such a thing, so the fact that you're doing the same with BotS just proves how much of a hypocritical dumbass you really are. Point is, aspects of BotS contradict with higher forms of canon, and are thus invalid, however the aspects of the story I'm dealing with do no such thing, so you have no point.

Sorry, dumbass! But Leland Chee defined what parts of the novelization worked and Stover clarified exactly what Lucas intended!
Whoops! Sorry. BotS isn't defined as G-canon, now is it? Yoda being the strongest is narrative.

It seems your deluded fanboyism can't cope, so you invent your own little world where you hangt out, suck Bane's dick and rant about SIRAK is better than any PT figure...(*Laughter)

You're a stupid fanboy. Accept it, why don't you? Bane's powerful. He's not as powerful as you claim, so deal with it. When Yoda kills him, I will laugh at you so hard.

Just deal with it, you idiot. You've lost every debate against Gideon, Advent and Nai, again and again and again. You're just deluded enough to think you've debunked shit.

Ahem ahem and me.

And me

Originally posted by Lightsnake
I don't swee how one gets more detailed...that's what we know

Until those unknown legendary tales are revealed, I will stick to my point. Sorry! not convinced!

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Apparently a Sith or two-possibly Bane, quite a few conflicts, Dark Jedi, etc.

Compared to his fights against Dooku?

Compared to his fight against Sidious?

Compared to his fight against a large batch of Stormtroopers outside the Jedi Temple?

And to verify the claim that he possibly killed Bane, provide a source that states this.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
And, oh yes, stalemating the most powerful Sith ever

This happened during the end of Clone Wars and it is a known event.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Does it matteR? He outright approved Yoda being the top

Did I denied? No!

But what I actually said is that Revan is very very close to him, consideriing his impressive feats that speak volumes about his power.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Why the **** would it matter? Does Lucas need to know every little thing before saying a fact? You think you can contradict the creator?

He contradicts himself often.

Anyways! how about Revan being 98% of Yoda? Yeah! that sounds better!

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Where the hell is the shock, stunning, etc?

Erm...irritating doesn't mean you're shocked or stunned...


Lets call it Frustration then.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
You're attempting to make a point of Palpatine only using so and so techniques in a fight...helluva lot more than two extremely powerful Sith of ancient times

I made my point based on what I have seen in the movies and it is a G-Canon source.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
And Palpatine's was enought o take over the galaxy

And Revan's was enough to discover Star Forge, develop a powerful Sith Empire and start the conquest of the Galaxy and he would have done that but a betrayal put a good halt to his ambitions. Guess what? Not Revan's fault...

Anyways! Revan's legacy played a vital role in up-lifting of the Sith once again and the rest are the details.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Gee, I dunno...maybe cause they're dangerous to try?

That says something about Revan? Does it not?

Originally posted by Lightsnake
and, y'know, his force powers, genius and abilities

These and the ones that I mentioned.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Thanks, end of story there

No probs.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
So what? The knowledge still did. All of it nicely recorded

Prove it...

Team 2 wins, but they have a good fight on them.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
No, he LIFTS it, so his BODY MOVES. when you MOVE, other muscles have to MOVE. No strain was shown.

Right, so if I lift a pebble, my hands will tremble, my entire body will shake, and my face will be strained, yes? Yeah, more like you can't visually tell what someone looks like when they struggle with lifting something.

But you've convinced yourself already.[quote]

That's right, I'm a firm believer of looking at things objectively. As are Zephiel7 and Darth Glentract, both who agree with the fact that Yoda faced a fvck loda of difficulty performing such a task (as they have indeed brought it up against you, Glentarct even going the same route as I and questioning the validity of the inconsistant EU sources).

[quote]Sooooooooooooooooooooorrry, you stupid little ****...oh, and Yoda likely killed Bane. What'll you say if that happens

1. Why are you bringing this up? Until it actually happens, you have no point.

2. You're dumb if you think that officials at LFL would reveal such a huge plot element of a future highly anticipated novel before it's even been released.

3. Even if it happens, Yoda and the Council make it clear in TPM that they believed the sith to have been fully extinct for a thousand years, so any meeting between the two would 100% be non canon anyway.

AWWWWWW! SOOOOOORRRY! Apparently he doesn't struggle, idiot! Canon faaaaact.

How is that a canon fact? Show me a canon source that says he doesn't, and then tell me how exactly that takes precedence over the Movies.

And on the subject, you dumbass, Chee defines what SW contradictions are, WHOOOOOOPS!

Look Lightsnake, clearly you're madly in love with Mr Chee, so I can understand if you view him as some sort of godly being, but we who aren't madly in love with the guy know that he doesn't have authority over the English Dictionary. He doesn't define what a 'contradiction' is simply because he works for LFL.

Hmmm...msotly by you...cause you take **** out of context and insult the official sources and use your deluded mind whiole you suck Bane's dick

Yeah, despite some of the most intelligent members of this forum agreeing with me (the antediluvians for example, Darth Glentract, Gideon on the NEC for instance) on the matter. I don't take anything out of context Lightsnake, I view them exactly how they're supposed to be viewed.

Sorry, dumbass! But Leland Chee defined what parts of the novelization worked and Stover clarified exactly what Lucas intended!
Whoops! Sorry. BotS isn't defined as G-canon, now is it? Yoda being the strongest is narrative.

Yeah, I thought the point would fly right over your head. The point is, a few contradictions does not retcon the entire story, if you really couldn't see the connection I made between the two sources, then you're dumb.

It seems your deluded fanboyism can't cope, so you invent your own little world where you hangt out, suck Bane's dick and rant about SIRAK is better than any PT figure...(*Laughter)

Yeah, I'd suggest calming down there, it's really not that funny.

You're a stupid fanboy. Accept it, why don't you? Bane's powerful. He's not as powerful as you claim, so deal with it. When Yoda kills him, I will laugh at you so hard.

I'm sure you will, seeing as how much Yoda means to you. It'll be like Christmas coming early, huh?

Just deal with it, you idiot. You've lost every debate against Gideon, Advent and Nai, again and again and again. You're just deluded enough to think you've debunked shit.

In terms of losing to Advent, it's never been in a Yoda/Palpatine/Bane related debate, and if you opened your eyes a bit more, she seems to actually agree with some of my arguments (such as Bane and Zannah having a higher potential than Sidious, which I've seen her bring up as a possibility). The funny thing is, she's beaten you way more times than she's beaten me, so I really don't see why you're bringing her up. You've never even come close to beating her anyways, I've done so at least two times.

Gideon, like Advent, has defeated me in the past, but I've also defeated him as many times as he has me, so in terms of records here, you're still talking rubbish.

Nai, I've never lost too, I just know each time that he'll never give up, and it's not worth my time arguing against someone who can't even speak English properly.

So Unluuuuuuucky Lightsnake, but you just got owneeeeeeed.
Ups!

How is that a canon fact? Show me a canon source that says he doesn't, and then tell me how exactly that takes precedence over the Movies.

Show you a canon source that he DOESNT struggle? Gee and all this time I thought you not knowing the rules of debate was purely speculation. Hey jackass, prove he was struggling because the evidence is against you.

Look Lightsnake, clearly you're madly in love with Mr Chee, so I can understand if you view him as some sort of godly being, but we who aren't madly in love with the guy know that he doesn't have authority over the English Dictionary. He doesn't define what a 'contradiction' is simply because he works for LFL.

If lightsnake is in love with Mr Chee, you're definitely in love with stupidity. You look dumber everytime you contradict facts.

Yeah, despite some of the most intelligent members of this forum agreeing with me (the antediluvians for example, Darth Glentract, Gideon on the NEC for instance) on the matter. I don't take anything out of context Lightsnake, I view them exactly how they're supposed to be viewed.

Agreeing with you? Good lord you really ARE in denial aren't you? I don't recall a single time someone has agreed with you on an important issue. I realize that you have to make shit up in order to convince yourself that you AREN'T useless, but it's just getting sad.

Yeah, I thought the point would fly right over your head. The point is, a few contradictions does not retcon the entire story, if you really couldn't see the connection I made between the two sources, then you're dumb.

Except for the fact that those few contradictions ARE retconned, so there's no proof, or in fact there's nothing to suggest Bane found Nadd's holocron(if such a thing ever existed), or that Bane moved a moon. Try again tool.

I'm sure you will, seeing as how much Yoda means to you. It'll be like Christmas coming early, huh?

At least Lightsnake's alleged Yoda fanboyism is backed up by facts and quotes. Your verbal fellatio of Bane is backed up by pure bullshit from you.

In terms of losing to Advent, it's never been in a Yoda/Palpatine/Bane related debate, and if you opened your eyes a bit more, she seems to actually agree with some of my arguments (such as Bane and Zannah having a higher potential than Sidious, which I've seen her bring up as a possibility). The funny thing is, she's beaten you way more times than she's beaten me, so I really don't see why you're bringing her up. You've never even come close to beating her anyways, I've done so at least two times.

Uh, Advent has never agreed with you in any way, shape, or form. The fact that you have to lie to yourself to convince yourself and others is really sad. Sad, not funny. And the fact that you have to sit there and tell yourself and others that you've beaten advent, is hilarious. The forum's worst debater is a self proclaimed debating prodigy. Talk about irony. Bane and Zannah having a higher potential than Sidious. AHAHAHA. You're a moron.

Gideon, like Advent, has defeated me in the past, but I've also defeated him as many times as he has me, so in terms of records here, you're still talking rubbish.

You're definitely an idiot in denial.

Nai, I've never lost too, I just know each time that he'll never give up, and it's not worth my time arguing against someone who can't even speak English properly.

Everyone here has more than likely read your arguments with Nai, and you've been curbstomped everytime.

So Unluuuuuuucky Lightsnake, but you just got owneeeeeeed.
Ups! [/B]

Right, the moron whose never won an argument apparently owned somebody because he typed into a text box. Nice going jackass, you owned yourself.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

.

He contradicts himself often.

Gl is still the law weather or not he contradicts himself

Anyways! how about Revan being 98% of Yoda? Yeah! that sounds better!
[/B][/QUOTE] Sadly yoda still > revan, i dont even care if revan is 99.999999999% of yoda, Fact remains that yoda is more powerful than revan is and i dont care how close revan is simply because it is not the point

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

I made my point based on what I have seen in the movies and it is a G-Canon source.
And g-canon proves yoda and sidious > revan

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

That says something about Revan? Does it not?
Maybe, that he knew powerful techniques but could not do that because it could have torn him apart. while sidious having the most powerful ability force storm could control it if he doesnt lose concentration

Originally posted by Kadesh
Gl is still the law weather or not he contradicts himself

I do agree.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Sadly yoda still > revan, i dont even care if revan is 99.999999999% of yoda, Fact remains that yoda is more powerful than revan is and i dont care how close revan is simply because it is not the point

Once again! I never denied this fact.

I agree that Yoda > Revan but by small margin. While LS proudly told me that Yoda is miles ahead of Revan, which is not at all true.

Revan is between Anakin Skywalker and Yoda in terms of over-all power.

The list is much like this:

Sidious > Yoda > Revan > Mace > Anakin > Dooku > Obi-Wan

Originally posted by Kadesh
And g-canon proves yoda and sidious > revan

ROTS Novelization? I agree!

Originally posted by Kadesh
Maybe, that he knew powerful techniques but could not do that because it could have torn him apart. while sidious having the most powerful ability force storm could control it if he doesnt lose concentration

I can't speculate on this because I do not know much about these techniques but Revan did had firm control over what he did.

Let's all get in touch with our inner child [unless we are Michael Jackson] and give it an ass beating. Seriously. Let's not bash the hell out of each other unless it is absolutely necessary. 😛

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Until those unknown legendary tales are revealed, I will stick to my point. Sorry! not convinced!

We know he's killed numerous Dark Siders, fought in numerous Dark Siders and has quite probably killed Bane.
Enough for you?


Compared to his fights against Dooku?

Compared to his fight against Sidious?

Compared to his fight against a large batch of Stormtroopers outside the Jedi Temple?

And to verify the claim that he possibly killed Bane, provide a source that states this.

This happened during the end of Clone Wars and it is a known event.


Yes, point? Yoda's done a lot of impressive things, that do put him above Revan. I'm tired of people claiming he's done absolutely nothing for abour 800 years, though
As for Bane: It's entirely possible he was alive, given the lifepsans of Dark Siders. We know Bane was killed by Jedi, we know Yoda is one of the only Jedi who knows of the Rule of Two, GL said if he ever made another movie, he'd like to set it in the past with yoda fighting Sith, we know yoda has killed Sith...
The dots can be connected


Did I denied? No!

But what I actually said is that Revan is very very close to him, consideriing his impressive feats that speak volumes about his power.


I'll go with this


He contradicts himself often.

And until he contradicts himself on this, it's law

Anyways! how about Revan being 98% of Yoda? Yeah! that sounds better!

OH, whatever. Semantics are not worth it

Lets call it Frustration then.

fine


I made my point based on what I have seen in the movies and it is a G-Canon source.

Go right ahead


And Revan's was enough to discover Star Forge, develop a powerful Sith Empire and start the conquest of the Galaxy and he would have done that but a betrayal put a good halt to his ambitions. Guess what? Not Revan's fault...

Um, last I checked: Revan was cornered when Malak fired, A...and B, Revan put a psychotic like MALAK in charge in a ship when Malak had proven himself ambitious, dangerous and sadistic...

Anyways! Revan's legacy played a vital role in up-lifting of the Sith once again and the rest are the details.

And Palpatine was still much greater than any other


That says something about Revan? Does it not?

Why does 'knowledge' of something equal having done it?


These and the ones that I mentioned.

Yes

Prove it...


1. Bane's Holocron.
2. nihilus's holocron.
3. The Jedi archives, Great Holocron, numerous Sith holocrons....

Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
[B]Right, so if I lift a pebble, my hands will tremble, my entire body will shake, and my face will be strained, yes? Yeah, more like you can't visually tell what someone looks like when they struggle with lifting something.

There was no strian. He takes a moment to snag it in midair, lifts it and hurls it aside.
Sorry


1. Why are you bringing this up? Until it actually happens, you have no point.

And logically, it probably did

2. You're dumb if you think that officials at LFL would reveal such a huge plot element of a future highly anticipated novel before it's even been released.

And you're an idiot if you're incapable of connecting the dots

3. Even if it happens, Yoda and the Council make it clear in TPM that they believed the sith to have been fully extinct for a thousand years, so any meeting between the two would 100% be non canon anyway.

False: Ki-Adi Mundi does. IT's made clear Yoda knows better as he's actually, y'know, FOUGHT Sith before. It's known Sith have died fighting Jedi in Bane's order...
HMMMMMMM


How is that a canon fact? Show me a canon source that says he doesn't, and then tell me how exactly that takes precedence over the Movies.

It takes place over your interpretation of the movies. The novelization doesn't say he struggles...and given his toher feats...whoops, he doesn't


Look Lightsnake, clearly you're madly in love with Mr Chee, so I can understand if you view him as some sort of godly being, but we who aren't madly in love with the guy know that he doesn't have authority over the English Dictionary. He doesn't define what a 'contradiction' is simply because he works for LFL.

He says there's no contradiction between the sources.
He's canon. Your interpretation isn't.


Yeah, despite some of the most intelligent members of this forum agreeing with me (the antediluvians for example, Darth Glentract, Gideon on the NEC for instance) on the matter. I don't take anything out of context Lightsnake, I view them exactly how they're supposed to be viewed.

Show me a single Antediluvian agreeing with you. Yeah, I am calling you a liar, here.
You do take things out mof context. Gideon even pounded this into your skull and you still refused to get it.


Yeah, I thought the point would fly right over your head. The point is, a few contradictions does not retcon the entire story, if you really couldn't see the connection I made between the two sources, then you're dumb.

The entire premise of the story is a contradiction. The rule of Two, Dxun and Onderon needing to be moved, Kaan's spirit, Qordis dying when Bane left him behind, Bane having tried to save the Brotherhood, warning against the Thought Bomb...


I'm sure you will, seeing as how much Yoda means to you. It'll be like Christmas coming early, huh?

The downfall of your fanboyism will be a cause to celebrate


In terms of losing to Advent, it's never been in a Yoda/Palpatine/Bane related debate, and if you opened your eyes a bit more, she seems to actually agree with some of my arguments (such as Bane and Zannah having a higher potential than Sidious, which I've seen her bring up as a possibility). The funny thing is, she's beaten you way more times than she's beaten me, so I really don't see why you're bringing her up. You've never even come close to beating her anyways, I've done so at least two times.

Um, yeah, whatever. Advent's my friend so I'm not going to rant about who's better than who. I'm capable of arguing with advent when the time comes. You are not. Nai nand Gideon have also handed you your ass numerous times.

Gideon, like Advent, has defeated me in the past, but I've also defeated him as many times as he has me, so in terms of records here, you're still talking rubbish.

No, you lie, twist facts, ignore canon and generally act irritating.
You're almost universally disliked. Coincidence?

Nai, I've never lost too, I just know each time that he'll never give up, and it's not worth my time arguing against someone who can't even speak English properly.

He gives up because you refuse to accept any logic. It's not worth it

I'm sorry it took me so long to post, I nearly suffocated from the Cloud of Revan Fanboyism, and thus had to wait 'til it cleared. So, let's set a few things straight here [and forgive me if I'm misinterpreting some sarcasm]: LeGenD, you cannot dictate that Revan is "98%" of Yoda. There's no basis for it, and such a calculation is - quite frankly - coming out of your ass. He's weaker by a margin. Not a large margin, but you can't say that they're neck-and-neck, either.

Furthermore, what's with the comparisons of Revan's feats versus Sidious's? No matter how you'd like to spin it, Sidious's accomplishments were better than Revan's. In fact, if you'd like to get purely technical, while Sidious had 'manipulation and a powerful clone army', Revan had an extensive army as well and legions of Sith at his disposal, and he still failed.