AOTC Anakin Vs ESB Luke

Who would win?

ESB Luke I think is far stronger than AOTC Anakin. Anakin was just learning the ways of the force. So was ESB Luke for the matter. Maybe a nice long force and saber battle. Might be a stalemate.

Originally posted by LORDSIDIOUS01
ESB Luke I think is far stronger than AOTC Anakin.

Hardly.

When it comes down to sheer prowess with a lightsaber, Anakin was good enough to give Count Dooku a run for his money, he even faired better than Obi-Wan Kenobi. Let's take a look at some excerpts from the novelization:

"He came on then, so suddenly, so powerfully, his green blade whirling with such speed that he seemed almost encased in green light.

For the first time, Count Dooku lost his little confident smile. He had to work furiously to keep Anakin's blade at bay, dodging more than parrying.

He came on hard, thinking to drive Anakin back and off balance as he had driven Obi-Wan back. But Anakin held his ground stubbornly, his green blade flashing left, right, and down so forcefully and precisely that none of Dooku's attacks got through." (Attack of the Clones novel, Ch. 24).

While it's undoubtedly true that he wouldn't have beaten him, and that fatigue was eventually setting in, I'd love to see a neophyte farmboy like Luke Skywalker do the same. Obi-Wan even remarks that he'd be a fully trained Jedi by the time he was twenty, merely a year away. His power is astonishing for his minimal amount of training, as is Luke's, but Anakin has had a larger amount of time to focus in on that natural talent and turn it into pure skill.

Luke isn't even superior to Anakin in any regard, let alone "far stronger".

Anakin was just learning the ways of the force. So was ESB Luke for the matter.

No, Anakin had been a practicing the Jedi way for ten years by the time of AotC, Luke had a few weeks, at best, to grasp what knowledge Yoda passed on (as Obi-Wan's lessons lasted only a couple of days in ANH).

Now, while it's certainly true Anakin still was a padawan (as well as had much to learn), he's had a vast amount of more time to train, and he has been taught formally, as opposed to Luke, who wasn't.

In regards to training, and experience, it goes directly to Anakin.

Maybe a nice long force and saber battle. Might be a stalemate.

No, Anakin firmly has this match up.

Originally posted by Advent
Hardly.

When it comes down to sheer prowess with a lightsaber, Anakin was good enough to give Count Dooku a run for his money, he even faired better than Obi-Wan Kenobi. Let's take a look at some excerpts from the novelization:

"He came on then, so suddenly, so powerfully, his green blade whirling with such speed that he seemed almost encased in green light.

For the first time, [b]Count Dooku lost his little confident smile. He had to work furiously to keep Anakin's blade at bay, dodging more than parrying.

He came on hard, thinking to drive Anakin back and off balance as he had driven Obi-Wan back. But Anakin held his ground stubbornly, his green blade flashing left, right, and down so forcefully and precisely that none of Dooku's attacks got through." (Attack of the Clones novel, Ch. 24).

While it's undoubtedly true that he wouldn't have beaten him, and that fatigue was eventually setting in, I'd love to see a neophyte farmboy like Luke Skywalker do the same. Obi-Wan even remarks that he'd be a fully trained Jedi by the time he was twenty, merely a year away. His power is astonishing for his minimal amount of training, as is Luke's, but Anakin has had a larger amount of time to focus in on that natural talent and turn it into pure skill.

Luke isn't even superior to Anakin in any regard, let alone "far stronger".

No, Anakin had been a practicing the Jedi way for ten years by the time of AotC, Luke had a few weeks, at best, to grasp what knowledge Yoda passed on (as Obi-Wan's lessons lasted only a couple of days in ANH).

Now, while it's certainly true Anakin still was a padawan (as well as had much to learn), he's had a vast amount of more time to train, and he has been taught formally, as opposed to Luke, who wasn't.

In regards to training, and experience, it goes directly to Anakin.

No, Anakin firmly has this match up. [/B]

I agree with what your saying.

Originally posted by Advent
Now, while it's certainly true Anakin still was a padawan (as well as had much to learn), he's had a vast amount of more time to train, and he has been taught formally, as opposed to Luke, who wasn't.

He had more training that Luke, more than enough to give him the win, but Luke's training was more intense, he was trained to be a weapon and a match for Vader fast. He was the last hope (**** you, Leia) and Yoda trained him to become powerful fast, despite the risks.

I just wanted to bring that up.

He was also at a more emotionally and physically mature age and could likely need that extra effort to even make the same impact. Like they say, its easier to learn a foreign language when you're younger because a young mind absorbs information easier and more efficiently. So the month or however long he was on Degobah, was certainly no match for Anakin who had 10 years of formal training as yet was ahead of all his peers by a descent amount.

Anakin has this in the bag.

Advent, how would you personally rate AOTC Anakin against TPM Ob1? Just curious.

Of course it was, but I don't see how that matters (or what purpose it serves in bringing it up), as he still loses, still has less training (and informal to boot), and still has less experience, which was the entire point.

was that to me or Jim??

That was in reply to James' post.

To you, though, I'd certainly put AotC Anakin above TPM Obi-Wan, so I'd definitely say he would win were a fight like that ever to occur.

Hell, I think I might even put TPM Kenobi above ESB Luke.

Anakin.

Luke. He was just toying with Vader. He HAD to lose to him. How would Lucas profit from a 2-part trilogy?

Originally posted by Tangible God
Luke. He was just toying with Vader. He HAD to lose to him. How would Lucas profit from a 2-part trilogy?

Originally posted by Advent
That was in reply to James' post.

To you, though, I'd certainly put AotC Anakin above TPM Obi-Wan, so I'd definitely say he would win were a fight like that ever to occur.

Anakin wins but it's a little close. Luke is soooooo underrated.

Edit: Can't remember ayaing that AOTC Anakin is close to TPM Kenobi but not above him, are you sure I didn't say that he was close to AOTC Kenobi?

I'll have to go check, but i believe you said that if he is above him, its not by much.

Originally posted by darthsith19
Anakin wins but it's a little close. Luke is soooooo underrated.

Edit: Can't remember ayaing that AOTC Anakin is close to TPM Kenobi but not above him, are you sure I didn't say that he was close to [b]AOTC Kenobi? [/B]

Originally posted by darthsith19
Anakin is barely above TPM Kenobi, while Jinn is solidly above AOTC Kenobi - Jinn was the best swordsman Kenobi has ever seen, he rivaled Mace Windu, he was so strong with the Force that he taught himself how to live after death, and the Jedi who trained him with a lightsaber said that he was the best swordsman that he's seen in 400 years. What has Kenobi done that makes him betetr than that, and don't say beating Maul cause we all know that was all luck there.

There ya go...

Originally posted by LORDSIDIOUS01
ESB Luke I think is far stronger than AOTC Anakin. Anakin was just learning the ways of the force. So was ESB Luke for the matter. Maybe a nice long force and saber battle. Might be a stalemate.

I don't think I have ever read such a contradictory post. How can Luke be 'far stronger' - yet you say they end in a stalemate. 🤨

Anakin wins this easily.

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
There ya go...

LOL, yeah I noticed that too.