AOTC Anakin Vs ESB Luke

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Darth Subjekt The beginning of the end.

OK, and barely above TPM OB1 is nowhere near the same as closer to AOTC OB1...thanks though...

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Originally posted by darthsith19
Edit: Can't remember ayaing that AOTC Anakin is close to TPM Kenobi but not above him, are you sure I didn't say that he was close to [b]AOTC Kenobi? [/B]

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Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
I'll have to go check, but i believe you said that if he is above him, its not by much.

last i checked, barely=not that much...

Neb, if you "noticed that too" you're just as bad...

darthsith19 Arm-Wrestler

OK, and barely above TPM OB1 is nowhere near the same as closer to AOTC OB1...thanks though...

Wrong. AOTC Kenobi is hardly above TPM Kenobi with a blade. Gillard calls TPM Kenobi a 6 or 7, and AOTC Kenobi a 7. AOTC Kenobi god pwnd by Dooku in 40 some odd seconds and Dooku was just toying with him - against Maul TPM Kenobi actually came close when using the Dark Side. Again, not saying TPM kenobi's ahead of AOTC kenobi, but he's certainly close with sabers. Force, well, what has AOTC kenobi done with the Force that puts him far ahead of TPM Kenobi? No, AOTC Anakin is close to AOTC Obi-Wan, TPM Kenobi is close to AOTC Anakin, TPM Kenobi is kinda close to AOTC Kenobi.
last i checked, barely=not that much...

Neb, if you "noticed that too" you're just as bad...


Agreed, but I never said anything of the sort. You got it backwards, you see that, don't you? Apollo Cloud noticed the same thing that I did, that you got it backwards, how does that make him "just as bad"?

kiddo44 Senior Member

When did Gillard say TPM Kenobi was a 6 or 7? I know he said the AOTC Kenobi was a 7, and ROTS an 8.

AOTC Kenobi god pwnd by Dooku in 40 some odd seconds and Dooku was just toying with him
Thats just a credit to how powerful Dooku is.

but he's certainly close with sabers. Force, well, what has AOTC kenobi done with the Force that puts him far ahead of TPM Kenobi?
i have heard you say this before, a jedi like Kenobi would not stay the same in anything 10 years later, what do you think he was just sitting around? Obi-wan was a more devoted jedi than anybody, of course he got stronger in the force and a better swordsman, its just common sense.

darthsith19 Arm-Wrestler

He said it in the same homing beacon that he was the numbers for Dooku, ROTS Obi-Wan and Anakin and AOTC Kenobi and Anakin.

Thats just a credit to how powerful Dooku is.

Somewhat, but also a credit to TPM kenobi being close to AOTC Kenobi. You can see from the fight that Kenobi has lost speed and offensive skills.

i have heard you say this before, a jedi like Kenobi would not stay the same in anything 10 years later, what do you think he was just sitting around? Obi-wan was a more devoted jedi than anybody, of course he got stronger in the force and a better swordsman, its just common sense.

Assumptions don't count as proof. Most of the missions during that time were negotiation missions, not fighting missions, not every mission is "go fight Asajj Ventress" or "go fight Darth Maul" you know.

Name one thing that AOTC Kenobi did with the Force, or anything he did between TPM and AOTC with the Force, that it impressive.

vader11 Senior Member

AOTC Kenobi can beat TPM Kenobi, both in the force and sabers, but can't pwn him.

kiddo44 Senior Member

Assumptions don't count as proof. Most of the missions during that time were negotiation missions, not fighting missions, not every mission is "go fight Asajj Ventress" or "go fight Darth Maul" you know.
You think you have to have a fight for your force powers to go up? How did Sidious get so powerful he didn't fight anybody for years, What Kenobi was doing in those 10 years was training Anakin, of course he got better with the saber and obviously with the force.

Somewhat, but also a credit to TPM kenobi being close to AOTC Kenobi. You can see from the fight that Kenobi has lost speed and offensive skills.
No you don't, his opponent was just alot better and made him look that way.

darthsith19 Arm-Wrestler

You think you have to have a fight for your force powers to go up? How did Sidious get so powerful he didn't fight anybody for years, What Kenobi was doing in those 10 years was training Anakin, of course he got better with the saber and obviously with the force.

You have to fight for your overall fighting abilities to go up. Who says Sidious progressed during the period when he didn't fight anybody? Obviously, huh? Why is that, when he went on mostly diplomatic missions? He got betetr, but not by very much, and why would he? You don't get stronger by talking to diplomats all day.
No you don't, his opponent was just alot better and made him look that way.

You're kidding, right? That's completely false, since Dooku moved far slower when fighting Kenobi than Maul did while fighting TPM Kenobi. Are you honestly saying that AOTC Kenobi fought Dooku faster than he fought Maul during TPM?

kamikz A.I.M Mercenary

AOTC Kenobi is above TPM Kenobi in the force by some margin, but it is nothing to change the outcome of the battle, actually, it would hardly affect it unless it was a pure force fight.

kiddo44 Senior Member

You're kidding, right? That's completely false, since Dooku moved far slower when fighting Kenobi than Maul did while fighting TPM Kenobi. Are you honestly saying that AOTC Kenobi fought Dooku faster than he fought Maul during TPM?
Thats b/c his opponent was so much more precise and better in AOTC, Maul looked to move alot faster than Dooku of AOTC, but who was better? Dooku easily. Kenobi may have looked faster but he was much more out of control as well in the TPM.

You don't get stronger by talking to diplomats all day.
you thinking thats all he did for 10 years is you just making an assumption that doesn't make sense. And you think this mainly b/c of what he looked faster when fighting Maul than Dooku??

vader11 Senior Member

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darthsith19 Arm-Wrestler

Thats b/c his opponent was so much more precise and better in AOTC, Maul looked to move alot faster than Dooku of AOTC, but who was better? Dooku easily. Kenobi may have looked faster but he was much more out of control as well in the TPM.

Doesn't matter if he was out of control, the point still stands that TPM Kenobi has more speed than AOTC Kenobi. Dooku was more precise? Yeah, and that's got what to do with speed?
you thinking thats all he did for 10 years is you just making an assumption that doesn't make sense. And you think this mainly b/c of what he looked faster when fighting Maul than Dooku??

That's not all he did, but it's mostly what he did. It's not an assumption, it's common knowledge that most of the Jedi Missions invloved little to no fighting, we just don't see those missions cause their boring. The Jedi are keepers of the peace, not soldiers. They mainly enforce laws through non-violent methods, they don't usually go and fight hundreds of Battle Droids. Ask anyone here and they will tell you the same.

kiddo44 Senior Member

It's not an assumption, it's common knowledge that most of the Jedi Missions invloved little to no fighting, we just don't see those missions cause their boring
Common Knowledge, DS you do know that there is a cartoon coming out next year based on the Clone Wars, and Anakin and Kenobi are in it. Its not going to be little micro ones either, the show takes place in the 10 years between episode 1 and 2, so is that what will be seeing Kenobi just talking to people? No action at all?

darthsith19 Arm-Wrestler

Common Knowledge, DS you do know that there is a cartoon coming out next year based on the Clone Wars, and Anakin and Kenobi are in it. Its not going to be little micro ones either, the show takes place in the 10 years between episode 1 and 2, so is that what will be seeing Kenobi just talking to people? No action at all?

It is based on the Clone Wars or between episodes 1 and 2, which one? I haven't heard of this cartoon, it should be cool. Yes, there will likely be lots of action in it, I already told you we don't see any of the diplomatic missions because their boring, but it's common knowledge that the Jedi did a lot of diplomatic stuff more so than fighting.

Nikkolas Restricted

They both rush in stupidly, swing their sabers and cut each other's heads off.

kiddo44 Senior Member

It is based on the Clone Wars or between episodes 1 and 2, which one?
its between TPM and AOTC.www.iesb.net

Im guessing Anakin and Kenobi will not just be on dimplomatic missions here, as you said.

darthsith19 Arm-Wrestler

Originally posted by kiddo44
its between TPM and AOTC.www.iesb.net

Im guessing Anakin and Kenobi will not just be on dimplomatic missions here, as you said.


Ookay, cause you also said 'DS you do know that there is a cartoon coming out next year based on the Clone Wars'.

And I never said they would be on diplomatic missions in it, for the last time, those missions we don't see because they are boring! They do go on some fighting missions, just a LOT more diplomatic missions than fighting missions.

kiddo44 Senior Member

Originally posted by darthsith19
Ookay, cause you also said 'DS you do know that there is a cartoon coming out next year based on the Clone Wars'.

And I never said they would be on diplomatic missions in it, for the last time, those missions we don't see because they are boring! They do go on some fighting missions, just a LOT more diplomatic missions than fighting missions.


How do you know that they are more diplomatic missions?? Where does it say that? I guess we will find out if they are fighting anybody in this cartoon since you think this is how you get stronger with the force.

And i said its of the Clone Wars b/c Lucas in that interview says its between EP 1 and 2, and it is a Clone wars show.

darthsith19 Arm-Wrestler

Originally posted by kiddo44
How do you know that they are more diplomatic missions?? Where does it say that? I guess we will find out if they are fighting anybody in this cartoon since you think this is how you get stronger with the force.

And i said its of the Clone Wars b/c Lucas in that interview says its between EP 1 and 2, and it is a Clone wars show.


It's common knowledge that they mostly go on diplomatic missions. Their not soldiers, Mace says so himself. What do you think, they just go fight battles everywhere? Yeah right, the Jedi Order didn't even want to send Padawans into the Clone Wars because it was so violent, Maks Leem talks about how she hates all the fighting, if they really spent most of their lives fighting than it wouldn't matter and every Jedi would be like Darth Maul, just made for fighting. Their not soldiers, their like police officers kinda, they do see some action but mainly try to find peaceful solutions.

Count Makashi Count Dookus number 1 fan
Originally posted by darthsith19
Somewhat, but also a credit to TPM kenobi being close to AOTC Kenobi. You can see from the fight that Kenobi has lost speed and offensive skills. .

No, AOTC Kenobi is better then TPM Kenobi by some margin, this are his thoughts from Legacy of The Jedi, i thin( its the book where Dooku kills Lorian Nodd at the end)-

Count Dooku's fall has troubled us all,» Obi-Wan acknowledged. «Now we have a great and powerful enemy.» His thoughts turned to his battle with Dooku. He had never met such power in battle before. He had never come up against something that had completely overpowered him. Even meeting the Sith Lord who had killed Qui-Gon had not been the same. If onlyQui-Gon were alive, to give them insights into Dooku. Now Obi-Wan thought back and wondered why Qui-Gon had never
spoken of his Master. He would never know that, either.

((The_Anomaly)) 2003 Super Senior Member

My god guys, isn't it obvious that Anakin would take a metaphorical sh!t on Luke? Because I think so. I dont really see the point of debating this.