Originally posted by Endless Mike
Hate? I merely counter fanboyism with actual facts.Did I ever claim that DBZ characters weren't bulletproof?
No.
So stop with the appeal to motive fallacies and debate properly.
No, but you bring up fallacious points and claims like Goku survived falling off a cliff and ignore people who point out that Krillin's survived stuff just as crazy prior to training.
Your posts are nothing more then I hate Dragonball.
Originally posted by Joey Stacks
No, but you bring up fallacious points and claims like Goku survived falling off a cliff and ignore people who point out that Krillin's survived stuff just as crazy prior to training.Your posts are nothing more then I hate Dragonball.
Agreed. Not hate, through, more ignorance.
Any version of Superman beat s Goku bottom line, PC Superman oh my god will slaughter him, PC Superman was throwing planets like baseballs, and he flew at lightspeed and was genius at that. Superman Prime takes Goku to the heart of the sun and leaves his a$$ their, PC Superman, All star Superman, Superman 1 million, Superman Prime either puts Goku in a coma or kill him with two hits. Superman every time.
To put the conclusions in one...
Strenght? Superman is many times as strong as Goku. No debate.
Skill? Goku is many times as skilled as Superman. No debate.
Size? Around the same, through a non-factor.
Durability? Superman is many times as durable as Goku. No debate.
So Goku's only advantage is his skill.
It's just the speed department that still is debatable.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
This is hilarious. Fine...adult human male vs male gorilla.Same size...same point.
Fighting male still gets Pwned!
How about instead of fanboy out of context arguments we do something more applicable to the topic
Something like this
Pre-Crisis Karate Kid vs. Elephant
who wins?
Originally posted by Dangerous
[B]You say I have fanboyism?When Goku flies faster than a many-times-faster-than-light spaceship, its uncanon...
Because it was a filler. And he didn't even do that in said filler.
But everytime Supes does somethign impressive, its all accepted...
Because it's in continuity.
I didn't bring up any Elseworlds, Pre - Crisis, or crossover stuff.
Originally posted by Joey Stacks
No, but you bring up fallacious points and claims like Goku survived falling off a cliff and ignore people who point out that Krillin's survived stuff just as crazy prior to training.Your posts are nothing more then I hate Dragonball.
And your posts are nothing more than appeal to motive fallacies.
Krillin trained nearly his entire life and was one of the strongest humans in the world.
You're talking like he's average.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I agree with you somewhat on the creator issue.The strength thing is a completely different thing. The most skilled Martial Artist in the world would still get pwned! fighting an angry Elephant in a ring.
Goku has nowhere near Superman's durability, senses, or strength in a fight...and to be honest...from what I've seen of the anime and the Manga...his fighting skill isn't that impressive over Superman's to rate him that highly.
HV alone would get the job done.
His fighting skills aren't impressive compared to Superman???
My views are based mainly on the cartoon (sadly), but I've got to say that I've seen on many, many, many occasions cartoon Goku fighting hand to hand at light speed either one on one or on a couple occasions against multiple opponents (the Ginyu Force). His fights usually end with energy attacks but they aren't that way for the full duration. The Kamehameha is usually the final blow. It's usually up close assault followed by machine gun chi blasts to more up close assault to someone getting punched into the ground creating a crater to more machine gun chi blasts to more up close combat to Goku delivering the money shot Kamehemeha. Now, I'm hoping we all watched the same cartoons. I'm confused. Goku ALWAYS engages in hand to hand combat and normally it's at such a high rate of speed it's unseen.
I haven't read all of the Manga admittedly so I can't speak on all of that.
I agree that heat vision would work (as I said above Supes would have to use ranged attacks). The question is whether it would hurt Goku. Goku has blocked many blasts before. I'm not sure what the properties of all the different chi blasts are (like temperature, energy signature, etc.), but it may not be outside the realm of possibility that a powered up (so SSJ2 or SSJ3) Goku with his aura around him could take heat vision blasts and be protected from them. It's really hard to say. I know Goku could take blasts from the androids and Cell.
As far as senses go, Goku can sense power levels from great distances as well as different dimensions and has telepathy in the cartoon, I'm not sure what he has in the Manga. He can't see or hear as well as Supes, that's not in question, but a 6'5" living solar battery is going to be kind of easy for him to track.
The only edges I give Supes are strength and durability. Goku can deliver a lot of damage though and it's been shown that Supes can succomb to physical abuse. It's not Goku's fists Supes would have to worry about the most though, it's the fists plus energy attacks in steady succession.
To be diplomatic I'd say 50:50, but I'd be putting my money on Goku.
Originally posted by Joey Stacks
How about instead of fanboy out of context arguments we do something more applicable to the topicSomething like this
Pre-Crisis Karate Kid vs. Elephant
who wins?
How about you show something of relevance to Goku getting an actual win.
There have been tons of forums on this topic..and Supermans on panel always demolishes Goku's on panel.
Let me guess..you're going to bring up some fanboy numbers for what on panel can't provide?
Originally posted by Endless Mike
And your posts are nothing more than appeal to motive fallacies.Krillin trained nearly his entire life and was one of the strongest humans in the world.
You're talking like he's average.
Who in real life can shrug off multiple bullet wounds to the dome?
Average my ass.