The trouble with atheism

Originally posted by Alfheim
So the fact they are eytmologists doesnt count? So we will just forget about it because you dont agree with you? Ok maybe. Give me some examples then of some dictionaries online that I can access.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah....also my post in private I want you to respond to it or im going to keep hassling you.

Whic post is that, in PM? Concerning what? I don't seem to remember.

Originally posted by Alfheim
I never said it was. I used the word "usually".

Originally posted by Alfheim
One of the root meaning of the word religon is to be conscientiousness. Therefore if an athiest is conscientiousness about being an athiest cant that be considered being religous eg Satanists.

By that toke, you could say being Latino is a religion because they are conscientious of their identity. The root of the word has no meaning here, its what the word means thats the issue. The word "gay" means very little from the words it came from.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Is that it??????? Serioulsy are you trying to piss me off?? Are you going to respond to the rest of the post????

😠 😠 😠

How did I know you were going to do that?

you believe that because you believe something it is true

there is no argument to that. There is no way that anyone can use any type of argument to pursuade you, since the fact that you have a thought is justification for itself.

Look, I don't go around telling Heathans what they believe, and there is a damn good reason I don't, because I would have no idea what I am talking about, and I am not immature enough to think that just because I have an opinion on something means that it is at all worth anyone's consideration.

I'm not trying to piss you off, its just you kinda ended the conversation with that. If what you believe is true because you believe it, then we are done.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah you could say that but good and bad are examples of morality. Some people think that homosexuality is wrong some people think its right. Your just using your defintion of atheism and saying its incorrect the same way a person could say homosexuality is not good because I dont think so.

The problem is I think your assuming that athiesm is just disbelief in god and thats it. I dont think it is, not believing in god usually means that you dont believe in other things such as no afterlife no supernatural etc. Considering that one of the root meaning of religon is being conscientiousness it implies you can be religously athiestic.

OK so what do you want me to do about that? Ok so you disagree with the dictionary therefore you are right?

I dont quite get you.

Give me an example of a scholarly dictionary? I think you missed the point in why I was talking about science. Im still waiting for you to respond to my posts in private...furthermore.

"The problem is I think your assuming that athiesm is just disbelief in god and thats it. I dont think it is, not believing in god usually means that you dont believe in other things such as no afterlife no supernatural etc. Considering that one of the root meaning of religon is being conscientiousness it implies you can be religously athiestic."

It could be. Considering one of the root meaning of the word religion is being conscientiousness why cant you be religously athiestic?

Maybe, but lets look at your example below.

1. First of all your making the assumption that if nobodys heard of God they will be athiests. Correct?
2. Your talking about implicit atheism ie a baby is an athiest. Even if that were true why cant athiesm be a belief?

"The problem is I think your assuming that athiesm is just disbelief in god and thats it. I dont think it is, not believing in god usually means that you dont believe in other things such as no afterlife no supernatural etc. Considering that one of the root meaning of religon is being conscientiousness it implies you can be religously athiestic."

Again I think your assuming that if nobodies heard of God that will make them athiest.

your basic asumption is wrong. im an atheist yet i believe for the most part in more supernatural things then probably u do. im not saying atheist can not STEM from belief, nor am i saying that all atheists dont have beliefs that go against theism. im saying that BELIEF in DISBELIEF isnt a REQUIREMENT of atheism like BELIEF IN GOD is a reqiurement of theism. thats the basic point, atheists who have beliefs against god existing have those beliefs SEPERATE from the ATHEISTIC part of them, atheism is not a causitive factor for those beliefs but rather, the beliefs are a causitive factor for atheism. as such there are no ATHEISTIC BELIEFS, as atheism doesnt cause any beliefs, its simply the lack of any belief in god, it doesnt put limits on any number of other beliefs that a person may have inplace of or seperate from THEIST BELIEFS. it just means theist beliefs are not present. also the NATURE of the beleifs found in atheism is different even for people who are atheists due to BELIEF IN ABSENCE OF GOD. they are axiomic, not complicated or dogmatic. those basic ASSUMPTION/AXIOMS{i.e i believe if i lift my leg and push forwards with my leg muscles, il take a step FORWARD AND NOT BACKWARD. now in the STRICT sense, thats a belief, but its an AXIOMIC belief which cannot be characterized the same as when a person says, I BELIEVE JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY TO AN EXISTING HEAVEN. its dogmatic, learnt, non basic and completely different from an axiomic belief.}

also read my post again, it explained that the definition/criteria for athesim is simply LACK OF BELIEF in god. which does not need another BELIEF to substantiate it{baby etc}

Maybe it is just me for I take the word “god” as to include anything supernatural, for me there is not such thing; it is something that hasn’t been explained yet so we give it this tag.

Originally posted by lord xyz
All or most Atheists aren't religious. In fact atheism is usually due to the abscence of religion.

Yeah so? My point is to some people it is and it can be just because its not for you doesnt make a difference.

Originally posted by Alliance
I never said forget it. I'm in finals now and I don't have time to be running around searching for things. I'll ask my friend in religious studies tonight if she knows an online dictionary or a defenition. Usually if you want scholarly knowledge, you have to go looking for it.

Well if we shouldnt forget it whats the problem? At the end of the day they are eytmologists and there information counts.

Originally posted by Alliance

Whic post is that, in PM? Concerning what? I don't seem to remember.

Forget it.

Originally posted by Alliance

Then be careful what is causaution and what is incidence.

I dont need to be careful about anything . Like I said I covered my arse when I said "usually". You damn well know most atheists disbelief in god usually results in disbeleif in teh afterlife etc.

Originally posted by Alliance

By that toke, you could say being Latino is a religion because they are conscientious of their identity.

Yeah you could.

Originally posted by Alliance

The root of the word has no meaning here, its what the word means thats the issue. The word "gay" means very little from the words it came from.

Well not neccesarily if you use an eytmoligist dictionary it helps you to understand the true meaning of the word. Furthermore the dictionary states that a relgion does not have to be about anything supernatural AND so does the eytmologist dictionary.

"To hold, therefore, that there is no difference in matters of religion between forms that are unlike each other, and even contrary to each other, most clearly leads in the end to the rejection of all religion in both theory and practice. And this is the same thing as atheism, however it may differ from it in name." [Pope Leo XIII, Immortale Dei, 1885]

Please dont tell me that this does not count as evidence. I think the owness is up on you to produce your own defintion from your own source. If you think its rubbish thats what you should do.

Originally posted by inimalist
you believe that because you believe something it is true

there is no argument to that. There is no way that anyone can use any type of argument to pursuade you, since the fact that you have a thought is justification for itself.

Look, I don't go around telling Heathans what they believe, and there is a damn good reason I don't, because I would have no idea what I am talking about, and I am not immature enough to think that just because I have an opinion on something means that it is at all worth anyone's consideration.

I'm not trying to piss you off, its just you kinda ended the conversation with that. If what you believe is true because you believe it, then we are done.

Er mate I think your getting it twisted yeah that is what I believe. But you got to understand im into alot of occult philosphy and due to my meditation reality is slightly different from other peoples BUT I perfectly understand why you dont believe it.

This is just my opinion and it doesnt have to have anything to do with you. When I debate with somebody I try to debate from their angle. Im trying to use simple logic to prove my point. I went to dictionary.com AND I went to an eytmologoist dictionary to try and prove that atheism could be religion, what has that got to do with my beliefs? AND I also used this point before I mentioned my beliefs.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
your basic asumption is wrong. im an atheist yet i believe for the most part in more supernatural things then probably u do.

Thats why I used the word "usually". Furthermore what exactly are your beliefs with the supernatural because that could basically make you NOT an athiest. Atheism is the disbelief in God and gods.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

im not saying atheist can not STEM from belief,

Yeah and my point is to some people its a religion and it can be a religion. Whats the problem?

Originally posted by leonheartmm

nor am i saying that all atheists dont have beliefs that go against theism. im saying that BELIEF in DISBELIEF isnt a REQUIREMENT of atheism like BELIEF IN GOD is a reqiurement of theism.

thats the basic point, atheists who have beliefs against god existing have those beliefs SEPERATE from the ATHEISTIC part of them, atheism is not a causitive factor for those beliefs but rather, the beliefs are a causitive factor for atheism.

as such there are no ATHEISTIC BELIEFS, as atheism doesnt cause any beliefs, its simply the lack of any belief in god, it doesnt put limits on any number of other beliefs that a person may have inplace of or seperate from THEIST BELIEFS. it just means theist beliefs are not present. also the NATURE of the beleifs found in atheism is different even for people who are atheists due to BELIEF IN ABSENCE OF GOD. they are axiomic, not complicated or dogmatic. those basic ASSUMPTION/AXIOMS{i.e i believe if i lift my leg and push forwards with my leg muscles, il take a step FORWARD AND NOT BACKWARD. now in the STRICT sense, thats a belief, but its an AXIOMIC belief which cannot be characterized the same as when a person says, I BELIEVE JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY TO AN EXISTING HEAVEN. its dogmatic, learnt, non basic and completely different from an axiomic belief.}

You know what I think I just disagree. Even if a human has never heard of God and maybe an athiest it doesnt end there. It seems athiests have different beliefs but im pretty sure somebody who is an athiest is going to believe in other things due to his lack of belief in God other things are going to follow from that regardless of wether he knows about God or not.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

also read my post again, it explained that the definition/criteria for athesim is simply LACK OF BELIEF in god. which does not need another BELIEF to substantiate it{baby etc}

Yeah thats your opinion. Like I said an athiest will believe in other things that stem from athiesm. I dont know if your going to give an example of a baby you might as well give an example of a rock. Anyway I will have to think about the baby example but as far as im concerned at least and adult who is athiest will ahve other beliefs that stem from it.

Yeah ive been thinking about the baby example and I see what you mean. At any rate that is just a particular type of athiesm but that still doesnt mean it can be a religon. Anyway i'll mull it over.

Originally posted by Alfheim
"The problem is I think your assuming that athiesm is just disbelief in god and thats it. I dont think it is, not believing in god usually means that you dont believe in other things such as no afterlife no supernatural etc. Considering that one of the root meaning of religon is being conscientiousness it implies you can be religously athiestic."

Just because most religions we encounter incorporate theism shouldn' t lead us to assume that all religions necessarily include theism. Many forms of Buddhism are essentially atheistic. At most they regard the existence of gods as possible, but often they dismiss gods as simply irrelevant to the important task of overcoming suffering. As a consequence, many Buddhists not only dismiss the relevancy of gods, but also the existence of gods. Atheists can be religious. Some humanists call themselves religious as well.

Originally posted by Storm
The absence of belief in the existence of any gods is all there is to ath[b]eism. [/B]

Thats just one defintion of athiesm. There is implicit atheism and explicit atheism. You are passing off implicit atheism as the only example. That is incorrect.

Originally posted by Storm

Not the absence of belief in the supernatural, the absence of superstitions, the absence of irrational beliefs, etc.

Ok thats your opinion...basically. As Pittman seems to put it that the disbleief in supernatural for him is part of athiesm.

Originally posted by Storm

Neither theism or atheism on itself constitute an organized system of beliefs, thus neither atheism nor theism are religions. Both can, however, be part of religions.

Well again I think thats just a matter of opinion. Yes athiesm and thiesm cannot be considered to be a religions but they can be.

Originally posted by Storm

Just because most religions we encounter incorporate theism shouldn' t lead us to assume that all religions necessarily include theism. Many forms of Buddhism are essentially atheistic. At most they regard the existence of gods as possible, but often they dismiss gods as simply irrelevant to the important task of overcoming suffering. As a consequence, many Buddhists not only dismiss the relevancy of gods, but also the existence of gods. Atheists can be religious. Some humanists call themselves religious as well.

Dont really see how that makes any differnce to the debate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism

Implicit atheism and explicit atheism are subcategories of atheism coined by George H. Smith (1979, p.13-18). Implicit atheism is defined by Smith as "the absence of theistic belief without a conscious rejection of it". Explicit atheism is defined as "the absence of theistic belief due to a conscious rejection of it", which, according to Smith, is sometimes characterized as antitheism.[1]

Originally posted by Alfheim
Er mate I think your getting it twisted yeah that is what I believe. But you got to understand im into alot of occult philosphy and due to my meditation reality is slightly different from other peoples BUT I perfectly understand why you dont believe it.

isn't that quaint, you're trying to patronize me.

lets just put it this way, your reality is wrong

Originally posted by Alfheim
This is just my opinion and it doesnt have to have anything to do with you. When I debate with somebody I try to debate from their angle. Im trying to use simple logic to prove my point. I went to dictionary.com AND I went to an eytmologoist dictionary to try and prove that atheism could be religion, what has that got to do with my beliefs? AND I also used this point before I mentioned my beliefs.

debate from my angle? no, you aren't even close

you don't have a clear standard of evidence, you don't have any scholarly references, and your logic is misleading at best.

You want to prove your point in a way nobody can disagree with? Go find a peer reviewed article that analyzes the socio-cultural similarities within all atheists, possibly something that talks about similar psychological pattern present in all of these people. You need to find very specific memes that only atheists, and all atheists, pass around to each other but that aren't present in the rest of society.

When you find something even remotely close to that, you can say you are arguing from "my angle". Until then I would stick with my delusional meditation world of make believe.

Originally posted by inimalist
isn't that quaint, you're trying to patronize me.

lets just put it this way, your reality is wrong

Actually im not trying to patronize you at all. You also accused me of trying to vilify athiests I had to explain to you that I wasnt doing that at all and you tried to fob me off. I was actually trying to be polite but I see it didnt do anything.

Ok you've insulted me now. Are you happy? I didnt even want to come up here because I knew you would do this.

Originally posted by inimalist

debate from my angle? no, you aren't even close

If you say so.

Originally posted by inimalist

you don't have a clear standard of evidence,

Well one of my points is this. Atheism CAN be a religon. Leo is an athiest and he said the samething as well.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
im not saying atheist can not STEM from belief,

But he also said...

Originally posted by leonheartmm

also read my post again, it explained that the definition/criteria for athesim is simply LACK OF BELIEF in god. which does not need another BELIEF to substantiate it{baby etc}

After thought I also said this.

Originally posted by Alfheim

Yeah ive been thinking about the baby example and I see what you mean. At any rate that is just a particular type of athiesm but that still doesnt mean it can be a religon. Anyway i'll mull it over.

So in the end I agreed with him but all I stated was that there are different types of athiesm.

Originally posted by inimalist

you don't have any scholarly references, and your logic is misleading at best.

Well you bring some then. If you dont like my sources stop compalining and bring your own.

Originally posted by inimalist

You want to prove your point in a way nobody can disagree with?

What the **** are you talking about? Im not trying to do anything maybe your looking for an argument. First of all you tried to accuse me of trying to vilify athiests that didnt work so you started ignoring my posts, which you do all the time and its bad manners. Ive got a right to be pissed off not you.

Originally posted by inimalist

Go find a peer reviewed article that analyzes the socio-cultural similarities within all atheists, possibly something that talks about similar psychological pattern present in all of these people. You need to find very specific memes that only atheists, and all atheists, pass around to each other but that aren't present in the rest of society.

Bring your references. You may not like my sources but at least im bringing some and dont see any of your sources.

You cant just tell me im talking crap when your not brining any evidence.

Originally posted by inimalist

When you find something even remotely close to that, you can say you are arguing from "my angle". Until then I would stick with my delusional meditation world of make believe.

Ok so now you want to insult me now? You said you didnt want to do it but now you have. Happy?

Furthermore why is it when other people use the dictionary nobody has a go at them. Why is it all of a sudden now I cant use the dictionary?

I think this all really boils down to the meaning of the word “god” and what it means. Is it just the deity or does it include the religion that he/she is or the idea and concept of religion and the supernatural in general. Even the classifications that people are now using to describe different types of atheist is skewed, the term evangelical atheist is funny as hell to me.

Originally posted by ThePittman
Even the classifications that people are now using to describe different types of atheist is skewed, the term evangelical atheist is funny as hell to me.

Yeah why? Didnt you say that the root meaning of the word is disbelief in god or gods. How does being evangelical contradict that meaning?

It doesnt. Its just a different way of being an athiest.

Originally posted by inimalist
isn't that quaint, you're trying to patronize me.

lets just put it this way, your reality is wrong

debate from my angle? no, you aren't even close

you don't have a clear standard of evidence, you don't have any scholarly references, and your logic is misleading at best.

You want to prove your point in a way nobody can disagree with? Go find a peer reviewed article that analyzes the socio-cultural similarities within all atheists, possibly something that talks about similar psychological pattern present in all of these people. You need to find very specific memes that only atheists, and all atheists, pass around to each other but that aren't present in the rest of society.

When you find something even remotely close to that, you can say you are arguing from "my angle". Until then I would stick with my delusional meditation world of make believe.

Oh yeah and another thing. Is encyclopaedia britannica good enough for you?

http://www.britannica.com/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=atheism&query=atheism

1 archaic : UNGODLINESS, WICKEDNESS
2 a : a disbelief in the existence of deity b : the DOCTRINE that there is no deity

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah why? Didnt you say that the root meaning of the word is disbelief in god or gods. How does being evangelical contradict that meaning?

It doesnt. Its just a different way of being an athiest.

Originally posted by inimalist
isn't that quaint, you're trying to patronize me.

lets just put it this way, your reality is wrong

debate from my angle? no, you aren't even close

you don't have a clear standard of evidence, you don't have any scholarly references, and your logic is misleading at best.

You want to prove your point in a way nobody can disagree with? Go find a peer reviewed article that analyzes the socio-cultural similarities within all atheists, possibly something that talks about similar psychological pattern present in all of these people. You need to find very specific memes that only atheists, and all atheists, pass around to each other but that aren't present in the rest of society.

When you find something even remotely close to that, you can say you are arguing from "my angle". Until then I would stick with my delusional meditation world of make believe.

Oh yeah and another thing. Is encyclopaedia britannica good enough for you?

http://www.britannica.com/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=atheism&query=atheism

1 archaic : UNGODLINESS, WICKEDNESS
2 a : a disbelief in the existence of deity b : the DOCTRINE that there is no deity

If you like you can email them and insult them as well because you dont agree with them. So I deserve to be insulted because YOU dont agree with dictionary, encyclopaedia britannica and eytmologists??? 🤨

Originally posted by ThePittman
Evangelical is a term to describe a type of Christian so how would that fit to a non-belief in God?

Look at point number 5.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/evangelical

–adjective
1. Also, e·van·gel·ic. pertaining to or in keeping with the gospel and its teachings.
2. belonging to or designating the Christian churches that emphasize the teachings and authority of the Scriptures, esp. of the New Testament, in opposition to the institutional authority of the church itself, and that stress as paramount the tenet that salvation is achieved by personal conversion to faith in the atonement of Christ.
3. designating Christians, esp. of the late 1970s, eschewing the designation of fundamentalist but holding to a conservative interpretation of the Bible.
4. pertaining to certain movements in the Protestant churches in the 18th and 19th centuries that stressed the importance of personal experience of guilt for sin, and of reconciliation to God through Christ.
5. marked by ardent or zealous enthusiasm for a cause.

Originally posted by ThePittman

Yes I did say that the meaning of the word means without god and that is what I just said in my last post what the term god

and what people think that means.

What you mean what YOU think it means? It means without god or gods and theres nowhere in that defintion that you cant be religous about it.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah why? Didnt you say that the root meaning of the word is disbelief in god or gods. How does being evangelical contradict that meaning?

It doesnt. Its just a different way of being an athiest....

Evangelical

• relating to or being a Christian church believing in personal conversion and the inerrancy of the Bible especially the 4 Gospels; "evangelical Christianity"; "an ultraconservative evangelical message"
• of or pertaining to or in keeping with the Christian gospel especially as in the first 4 books of the New Testament
• marked by ardent or zealous enthusiasm for a cause

• Literally, anything contained in the four gospels of the New Testament. Also refers to Protestant churches that emphasize salvation by faith rather then good works, and that individuals are in direct contact with God without the need of mediation or religious education through a priest.

• a designation for Christians who hold to basic conservative interpretations of the Bible, including the belief in the literal supernatural conception (virgin birth) of Jesus, his resurrection from the dead, and the proclamation of the "evangel" or "good news" of salvation through Christ. This term arises out of the Greek word euangelion, meaning "good news. ...

• Emphasizing the authority of the scripture; an adjective used to identify certain Protestant groups.

• believing in the authority of the scripture and the salvation of Jesus Christ.

• or Christian. The loving God with all our heart, mind, soul, and strength, and our neighbor as ourselves, with the complete exclusion of every feeling contrary to pure love. "Love is the fulfilling of the law." - St. Paul. "The bond of perfectness;" the sum total of the virtues. - St. Paul translated by Bengel. "There is a twofold perfection, the perfection of the work, and that of workman." - Bishop Hopkins. ...

• 1) referring to Protestant Christians who spread the Christian Gospel as found in the biblical New Testament; 2) a denomination formed to distinguish a more liberal subset of Bible-believing evangelicals from conservative anti-modern fundamentalists in the 1940s and 1950s (Harding).

I really don't think the word Evangelical works with the word Atheist. You can put them together, but the meaning would be too confusing to most people.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Evangelical

• relating to or being a Christian church believing in personal conversion and the inerrancy of the Bible especially the 4 Gospels; "evangelical Christianity"; "an ultraconservative evangelical message"
• of or pertaining to or in keeping with the Christian gospel especially as in the first 4 books of the New Testament
• marked by ardent or zealous enthusiasm for a cause

• Literally, anything contained in the four gospels of the New Testament. Also refers to Protestant churches that emphasize salvation by faith rather then good works, and that individuals are in direct contact with God without the need of mediation or religious education through a priest.

• a designation for Christians who hold to basic conservative interpretations of the Bible, including the belief in the literal supernatural conception (virgin birth) of Jesus, his resurrection from the dead, and the proclamation of the "evangel" or "good news" of salvation through Christ. This term arises out of the Greek word euangelion, meaning "good news. ...

• Emphasizing the authority of the scripture; an adjective used to identify certain Protestant groups.

• believing in the authority of the scripture and the salvation of Jesus Christ.

• or Christian. The loving God with all our heart, mind, soul, and strength, and our neighbor as ourselves, with the complete exclusion of every feeling contrary to pure love. "Love is the fulfilling of the law." - St. Paul. "The bond of perfectness;" the sum total of the virtues. - St. Paul translated by Bengel. "There is a twofold perfection, the perfection of the work, and that of workman." - Bishop Hopkins. ...

• 1) referring to Protestant Christians who spread the Christian Gospel as found in the biblical New Testament; 2) a denomination formed to distinguish a more liberal subset of Bible-believing evangelicals from conservative anti-modern fundamentalists in the 1940s and 1950s (Harding).

I really don't think the word Evangelical works with the word Atheist. You can put them together, but the meaning would be too confusing to most people.

Yeah you can.

Look at point number 5.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/evangelical

–adjective
1. Also, e·van·gel·ic. pertaining to or in keeping with the gospel and its teachings.
2. belonging to or designating the Christian churches that emphasize the teachings and authority of the Scriptures, esp. of the New Testament, in opposition to the institutional authority of the church itself, and that stress as paramount the tenet that salvation is achieved by personal conversion to faith in the atonement of Christ.
3. designating Christians, esp. of the late 1970s, eschewing the designation of fundamentalist but holding to a conservative interpretation of the Bible.
4. pertaining to certain movements in the Protestant churches in the 18th and 19th centuries that stressed the importance of personal experience of guilt for sin, and of reconciliation to God through Christ.
5. marked by ardent or zealous enthusiasm for a cause.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah you can.

Look at point number 5.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/evangelical

–adjective
1. Also, e·van·gel·ic. pertaining to or in keeping with the gospel and its teachings.
2. belonging to or designating the Christian churches that emphasize the teachings and authority of the Scriptures, esp. of the New Testament, in opposition to the institutional authority of the church itself, and that stress as paramount the tenet that salvation is achieved by personal conversion to faith in the atonement of Christ.
3. designating Christians, esp. of the late 1970s, eschewing the designation of fundamentalist but holding to a conservative interpretation of the Bible.
4. pertaining to certain movements in the Protestant churches in the 18th and 19th centuries that stressed the importance of personal experience of guilt for sin, and of reconciliation to God through Christ.
5. [B]marked by ardent or zealous enthusiasm for a cause. [/B]

I said you could, but the meaning would be more confusing then the benefit of the term.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I said you could, but the mean would be more confusing then the benefit of the term.

Ok.

srug

Originally posted by Alfheim
Oh yeah and another thing. Is encyclopaedia britannica good enough for you?

http://www.britannica.com/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=atheism&query=atheism

1 archaic : UNGODLINESS, WICKEDNESS
2 a : a disbelief in the existence of deity b : the DOCTRINE that there is no deity

If you like you can email them and insult them as well because you dont agree with them. So I deserve to be insulted because YOU dont agree with dictionary, encyclopaedia britannica and eytmologists??? 🤨

that definition does not support your point 🙄

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well one of my points is this. Atheism CAN be a religon. Leo is an athiest and he said the samething as well.

name ONE atheistic meme

EDIT: aside from the obvious disbelief in God

Originally posted by inimalist
that definition does not support your point 🙄

How does it not support my point?

Does it or does it not say that atheism is a doctrine?? Isnt that one of the things ive been saying.

Originally posted by inimalist
name ONE atheistic meme

EDIT: aside from the obvious disbelief in God

Dont see what that has to do with anything. I predict your going to accuse me of not knowing what a meme is therefore my arguments are null and void.

No afterlife.