Wolverine also has unbreakable bones and a healing factor, so those dont really qualify for hand to hand skills.
For Captain America to be considered better than Shang is silly to me. Shang has dedicated his life to a single means.
As for that list, yeah I was looking at the page directly linked. Even on that updated one, Jubilee over Beast? Yeah ok...
As for Marvel's handbooks.... when they can go 1 month without retconning a major piece of their own history, I'll take their word on something trivial like this.
Originally posted by redhotrash
Wolverine also has unbreakable bones and a healing factor, so those dont really qualify for hand to hand skills.
For Captain America to be considered better than Shang is silly to me. Shang has dedicated his life to a single means.
As for that list, yeah I was looking at the page directly linked. Even on that updated one, Jubilee over Beast? Yeah ok...
As for Marvel's handbooks.... when they can go 1 month without retconning a major piece of their own history, I'll take their word on something trivial like this.
Uhhh....Captain America's been 'top tier' as far as skill goes in the Handbooks since day 1. Shang and his ilk have ALWAYS been below him. How's that for consistency? 😬.
As far as Logan's and Shang's encounter goes, Logan didn't rely on his healing factor, bones, or claws. He used martial prowess in that particular meeting.
Captain America and Wolverine are both Shang's superior. Whether you like it or not, whether it makes sense to you or not, that's the way Marvel's written it, so that's the way it is. 😐.
Originally posted by redhotrash
Because Batroc, a FRENCH kickboxer, says so. Wolvering got humiliated in hand to hand by Deadpool, who wasnt even taking him seriously at the time. Also, how do you NOT use a healing ability and unbreakable bones?
By not getting hit to activate it?
As far as Batroc goes - he's a fairly good hand to hand combatant, and a fine judge of skill. Not to mention that Zaran said the same thing, AND that Captain America straight up told Iron Fist (Shang's equal) that he just wasn't good enough in a fight.
Wolverine didn't get humiliated by Deadpool. Don't even try it - I'm a huge Deadpool fan, and, yeah, Deadpool's got the numbers over Wolverine, but every one of his wins have been via plot device.
Originally posted by Innerhype
Temugin and The Mandarin both need to be addedBoth use chi to preform martial arts at ridiculously superhuman levels. Both happen to give Iron Man a pretty bad beating in the past, and at the moment I see no one in "Top Tier" doing that. They may need to go in "Uber Tier" or "Cosmic Tier"
Very good point. It will be discussed.
Living earth based Martial artists (1-3 are inter changeable)
1. Captain America
2. Wolverine
3. Elektra
4. Shang Chi
5. Cat
There are also people like Moving Shadow, Gorgon and Mr. X... but I ignored them.
These people better then anyone on that list in no order.
Stick (Ghost)
Ogun (Ghost)
Drake (Dead)
Karnak
Mantis
Champion
Thanos (Dead)
Shingen (Dead)
Gamora
cable [w/o pwrs infected with the facade virus and technovirus ravaging his flesh cable pwned F.P. Deadpool & collared Anton Krutch and his goonsquad rather easily]
Gamora [feats in multiple solar systems]
Mantis [superior to stick]
shang chi [ at the top of his craft, has realised the sum potential of present day terran ability in the martial arts]
champion [top tier, breaks cap with a pimpslap]
Knocking on the door: Iron Fist Squirrel Girl Stick Dead Man Wade Cat