Top 5 Best Marvel Martial Artists

Originally posted by h1a8
Daredevil doesn't count because of his radar sense. BP and Cap are artificially enhanced. I would put Taskmaster in the top 5 because he's mastered Cap's style (and many others) and even hung with him without being artificially enhanced.

Taskmaster has skills but he's not as consistent as Cap and BP. Cap has beaten Crossbones in h2h w/o the Super Soldier Serum. IIRC unenhanced BP one-shotted Taskmaster as well. Tasky has some nice feats though he is over all the place in terms of skill. One minute he's able to defeat Asgardians and simultaneously take down Yellow Jacket, Stature, and Ant-Man. Then next, he is getting chumped by Mr. X and treated like fodder against Elektra in the rematch.

Besides, I don't see any difference between radar sense and the natural ability to read and copy another's move for this thread purpose. BP and Cap both have won a lot of battles b/c of skill and not powers.

Where is silver samurai in all of this?

Originally posted by Supermutant
Taskmaster has skills but he's not as consistent as Cap and BP. Cap has beaten Crossbones in h2h w/o the Super Soldier Serum. IIRC unenhanced BP one-shotted Taskmaster as well. Tasky has some nice feats though he is over all the place in terms of skill. One minute he's able to defeat Asgardians and simultaneously take down Yellow Jacket, Stature, and Ant-Man. Then next, he is getting chumped by Mr. X and treated like fodder against Elektra in the rematch.

Besides, I don't see any difference between radar sense and the natural ability to read and copy another's move for this thread purpose. BP and Cap both have won a lot of battles b/c of skill and not powers.

He's mastered the fighting styles of Cap, Spidey, Shang-Chi, Iron fist, etc.
He held his own against Cap and Iron Man.
Sometimes people state things out of context.
Please show scans of unenhanced BP one-shotting him, being treated as fodder against Elektra (he mastered her style). Mr. X can't be beat by a human MA because of his powers. So that's not a bad showing.

The radar sense gives DD a lead before something happens, like the SS. He can sense nerve impulses and know exactly when you are going to throw a punch, shot a gun, etc. He uses this ability to block bullets, etc. Without it, he wouldn't have a head start on an attack and thus will be less effective.

Originally posted by h1a8
He's mastered the fighting styles of Cap, Spidey, Shang-Chi, Iron fist, etc.

He hasn't mastered those styles, he is able to copy them however. Being able to copy moves doesn't mean he automatically knows the best times to use them.

Originally posted by h1a8
He held his own against Cap and Iron Man.

Also lost to both individually as well. Goes back to not being consistent.

Originally posted by h1a8
Sometimes people state things out of context.

Sometime people ignore comics that don't agree with their position.

Originally posted by h1a8
Please show scans of unenhanced BP one-shotting him, being treated as fodder against Elektra (he mastered her style). Mr. X can't be beat by a human MA because of his powers. So that's not a bad showing.

Just do a google search but here anyway:

Elektra

BP

Mr X made Tasky turn tail and run away. And Mr X has lost to Iron Fist in one hit so he isn't unbeatable either lol.

Originally posted by h1a8
The radar sense gives DD a lead before something happens, like the SS. He can sense nerve impulses and know exactly when you are going to throw a punch, shot a gun, etc. He uses this ability to block bullets, etc. Without it, he wouldn't have a head start on an attack and thus will be less effective.

I think most everyone knows what DD's radar sense does for him. He was still a very skilled fighter after he lost it. The point is Tasky's photographic reflexes are a "power" or "enhancement" that allows him the ability to copy other's skills.

I think Ganymede & Midnight Sun are up there and Adam Warlock

So, nobody has any opinion about Prince of Orphans/Green Mist? I know he uses the teleport power but his bio talks about "his abilities rivaling and in fact surpassing those of the other Immortal Weapons", including Iron Fist and Fat Cobra.

I guess I'll just have to read about him myself in Immortal Iron Fist.

As for Taskmaster - I have my doubts about him. As Supermutant said, he's not consistent enough. When he thought he had Deadpool figured out, DP went nuts and kicked his butt all over the place. And DP himself was in so much awe of The Cat when he met him that it was like watching a young boy meet his idol.

So in terms of pure skill, there's an argument to be made for:

The Cat > Deadpool > Taskmaster

I also agree that we can't exclude Cap, BP, DD and Wolverine. The fact that they have enhanced abilities does not disqualify them from being among Marvel's top skilled martial artists.

Not sure if Warren Ellis was just kidding around when he stated this or if he really thinks Shang Chi is Marvel's greatest martial artist. But that's at least one piece of evidence for making a case that Shang Chi really might be #1.

Originally posted by Supermutant
He hasn't mastered those styles, he is able to copy them however. Being able to copy moves doesn't mean he automatically knows the best times to use them.

Also lost to both individually as well. Goes back to not being consistent.

Sometime people ignore comics that don't agree with their position.

Just do a google search but here anyway:

Elektra

BP

Mr X made Tasky turn tail and run away. And Mr X has lost to Iron Fist in one hit so he isn't unbeatable either lol.

I think most everyone knows what DD's radar sense does for him. He was still a very skilled fighter after he lost it. The point is Tasky's photographic reflexes are a "power" or "enhancement" that allows him the ability to copy other's skills. [/B]

You are not posting the whole fights. You are just showing him getting hit one time. Then you exaggerate and say Electra treaded him as fodder.
Every MA in marvel has been hit by another MA.

Ironfist beating Mr. X under normal circumstances is PIS due to how Mr. X powers work. Mr. X should beat any street leveler in just h2h. He can simply read their mind. This is how he schooled Logan like fodder. Logan is not fodder to Iron Fist.

Cap is far stronger and more durable than TM. If TM can hang with Cap for a while then it simply proves that his skill is equal or better (even if he eventually loses).

I'm aware that TM is enhanced to copy styles. But he's not physically enhanced (like strength, durability, etc) right?
The worst fighter in the world with Superman's powers can beat any human MA in h2h. Being physically enhanced takes away from the amount of skill needed to beat someone.

Originally posted by h1a8
You are not posting the whole fights. You are just showing him getting hit one time. Then you exaggerate and say Electra treaded him as fodder.
Every MA in marvel has been hit by another MA.

lol this is the whole fight, she beat him in one panel like fodder just like I stated early. But since you want to see him unconscious with a bloody nose.

So is that good enough for you? The narration even states, "The Task-Master passes out. Just another beat- up super-villain."

The same against Black Panther in one shot.

Taskmaster is koed and not seen again in the comic.

Originally posted by h1a8
Ironfist beating Mr. X under normal circumstances is PIS due to how Mr. X powers work. Mr. X should beat any street leveler in just h2h. He can simply read their mind. This is how he schooled Logan like fodder. Logan is not fodder to Iron Fist.

And Wolverine beat him in the rematch. Mr X has been stalemated by Nuke and one shotted by Luke Cage. His low level tp isn't that much too overcome for elite mmaers.

Originally posted by h1a8
Cap is far stronger and more durable than TM. If TM can hang with Cap for a while then it simply proves that his skill is equal or better (even if he eventually loses).

Tasky's gear also is a big reason why he can hang with top tier fighters. He can give them good fights, but is below them b/c he consistently loses to them. Sometimes its a really great battle, other times he gets embarrassed.

Originally posted by h1a8
I'm aware that TM is enhanced to copy styles. But he's not physically enhanced (like strength, durability, etc) right?
The worst fighter in the world with Superman's powers can beat any human MA in h2h. Being physically enhanced takes away from the amount of skill needed to beat someone.

DD's radar sense doesn't enhance his durability either, and shouldn't enhance his lifting strength. Plus Tasky is a coward and really doesn't stick around to the end. At the first sight of losing he typically runs away.