Gah Lak Tus versus Galactus

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
These number-cruncher type feats don't determine which showing is more impressive. If the Marquis of Death ends up getting revealed as the guy who killed the LT in Hickman's recent arc, and the battle didn't collaterally damage a galaxy, let alone the whole omniverse, that doesn't mean that the feat somehow becomes unimpressive. This isn't comicvine where under the pretense of "gauging quantifiable feats", people just straight-up ignore direct comparisons in on-panel fights.

That fight is indeed one of Galactus' top feats in a long time, and a lone maverick opinion doesn't change this undeniable fact.

If MM and Beyonder are focussing their powers on each other, it stands to reason that they can use the power that they demonstrably possess, with finesse and avoid unnecessary damage.

If there's an all out war going on, amongst the highest rank of cosmics, I expect collateral damage, I expect indicators of the scale of power, because they aren't acting with finesse or particular focus, because the GE is a battering ram used to knock through dimensional barrier and because Galactus has demonstrated in the past, that he produces vastly powerful energy blasts when attacking someone all out.

Another point is that these Cancerverse Lovecraftian creatures got stomped by Death, in the end, which pretty much means that other than their initial barrage against the 616 order, they've done nothing to indicate their individual clout.

As for MoD, Doom bent his knee to him. Whether as part of some cunning scheme or not, he called him master. That's all the feats one needs.

Originally posted by janus77
The context determines whether or not "collateral damage" comes into play in judging the scale of an attack.

If MM and Beyonder are focussing their powers on each other, it stands to reason that they can use the power that they demonstrably possess, with finesse and avoid unnecessary damage.

If there's an all out war going on, amongst the highest rank of cosmics, I expect collateral damage, I expect indicators of the scale of power, because they aren't acting with finesse or particular focus, because the GE is a battering ram used to knock through dimensional barrier and because Galactus has demonstrated in the past, that he produces vastly powerful energy blasts when attacking someone all out.

Another point is that these Cancerverse Lovecraftian creatures got stomped by Death, in the end, which pretty much means that other than their initial barrage against the 616 order, they've done nothing to indicate their individual clout.

As for MoD, Doom bent his knee to him. Whether as part of some cunning scheme or not, he called him master. That's all the feats one needs.

Yet another example of why only basing the impressiveness of a feat on numbers alone doesn't mean anything.

Except for the fact that collateral damage among wars between cosmic beings don't always result in blown up galaxies and dimensions. Collateral damage is hardly indicative of where a character of such power levels stands relative to their peers. You might as well start claiming that Surtur could beat the 3rd Host of Celestials, since their battle with Tiamut only shook the Earth's geological planes as the sum of its collateral damage. Or that adult Franklin Richards can only produce hemisphere-scale collateral damage when going all-out in the final battle against the Mad Celestials. Very faulty logic indeed.

I don't see how the MAOs getting stomped by Death is indicative of their lower status on the cosmic totem pole.

The MoD is jut me presenting a point. Irrespective of that though, whoever it is that killed/KO'd the LT in that Hickman issue, if this character produces a barely planetary level collateral damage if they went all-out iduring their hypothetical fight with the LT, then that wouldn't automatically mean that the fight in itself is any less impressive.

You need to renounce this comicvine-lite ideology, and just accept the fact that Galactus' showing against the Galactus Engine is one of his best feats in recent times.

^^ Good debate yall, but just to clarify,
that was a "Several Billion Dimension slagging" hit Beyonder withstood. 😄

How has this lasted 6 pages?

Unless he's starving, Galen murderstomps.