Canada's rich get richer while it's poor get poorer, new study shows.

It does NOT help domestic profits, because no one can afford to buy domestically. So they buy things that were imported.

Originally posted by Starhawk
And those advantages will hurt the poorer classes who make up the majority, The middle class in Canada is disappearing and as that article shows the divide between the richer classes and the poorer classes is widening drastically. So you will do great in foreign markets, but domestically people can't afford to buy from you, they go to places like wall-mart that are american owned and shop there. And those place are even getting too expensive for allot of families.

The poor make up by far the largest section of the population in Canada. So if these companies end up only making products for foreign trade and having to pay the shipping costs anyways, they will just move to places that offer incredibly cheap wages anyways.

Both sides can't win in this.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Brilliant! Destroying the economy of other nations couldn't possibly backfire.

Originally posted by Starhawk
First off, there is a staggering amount of poor looking for work, the unemployment office in my city is over booked due to it. They aren't lazy or stupid, in my city 2 factories closed down and those people are now out of a job, they did nothing wrong and now they are in that poor bracket.

And while I do not condone crime, they aren't all bad people, some are driven to desperation by their circumstances.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Actually I am more worried about him being in favour of destroying the economy of his own nation.

Well yes. However you can dig yourself out of it if you crush your own economy. If you mess with the economy of everybody else you're screwed.

Originally posted by Nellinator
Why are you complaining about the factories being shut down? That helps meet the Kyoto accord, but you argue that low income families aren't going to suffer because of it? Only big business? This is living proof for you of what meeting the Kyoto accord is going to do. It's going to reduce the jobs of hard-working labours and increase unemployment. It's terrible because poverty is far worse than anything we are doing to the environment.

No, changing the way factories do business would help, they can keep running and reduce the pollution.

And those advantages will hurt the poorer classes who make up the majority, The middle class in Canada is disappearing and as that article shows the divide between the richer classes and the poorer classes is widening drastically. So you will do great in foreign markets, but domestically people can't afford to buy from you, they go to places like wall-mart that are american owned and shop there. And those place are even getting too expensive for allot of families.

The poor make up by far the largest section of the population in Canada. So if these companies end up only making products for foreign trade and having to pay the shipping costs anyways, they will just move to places that offer incredibly cheap wages anyways.

Both sides can't win in this.

Raising the minimum wage was a good start for Canada, now they need to raise the pensions to an equal level.

There is no bright future on the horizon, pollution is going to get worse, we are going to have astronomical levels of poor people, lack of health care is becoming a major issue.

Originally posted by Starhawk

Raising the minimum wage was a good start for Canada, now they need to raise the pensions to an equal level.

Again this would raise taxes. You can't just get money to do these things out of no where, and if the problems are as bad as you say it is, it's going to take a lot of money.

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Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Do you have any idea how much it would cost to increase minimum wage, create heavier tax legislation for companies who outsource, and try and keep inflation from rising too much? It would cost as much, if not more than this reward scheme. Though yes the companies would not make as much, they would save on shipping costs etc. and would also have the benefit of better insurance for their factories and warehouses.

Originally posted by Starhawk
In my province of Ontario, they have increased minimum wages up to
10$ an hour. Unfortunately, they didn't increase pensions so the disabled and elderly are about to get screwed worse then ever in history.

"then" is a noun, adjective or adverb.
"than" is a conjunction or preposition.

Yeah the fact that my post was completely ignored by old Star hawk. Yet quoted, to look as if he was somehow proving me wrong, did annoy me somewhat.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Again this would raise taxes. You can't just get money to do these things out of no where, and if the problems are as bad as you say it is, it's going to take a lot of money.

Yes, and unfortunately taxes are the best way we have of paying for them.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Yes, and unfortunately taxes are the best way we have of paying for them.

The tax hike for these things would be so high though, that the people who are being paid minimum wage, would not feel the benefit of the increase. As, it would be lost in income tax.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
The tax hike for these things would be so high though, that the people who are being paid minimum wage, would not feel the benefit of the increase. As, it would be lost in income tax.

Thats why you also reduce the taxes on the poorer tax brackets.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Thats why you also reduce the taxes on the poorer tax brackets.

That's a fairly ridiculous proposal. The poor typically outnumber the rich, to reduce tax in the poorer tax brackets would mean a huge increase in the richer brackets. This would then be seen as going against work ethic, and highly protested.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
That's a fairly ridiculous proposal. The poor typically outnumber the rich, to reduce tax in the poorer tax brackets would mean a huge increase in the richer brackets. This would then be seen as going against work ethic, and highly protested.

Protested by whom? The poor greatly outnumber the rich by the way, and I really don't think you understand the gravity of the situation.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Protested by whom? The poor greatly outnumber the rich by the way, and I really don't think you understand the gravity of the situation.

It would be protested by the rich who would be giving up half of their pay in taxes. The poor greatly outnumber the rich, that's the problem, think how much the taxes would rise in the higher tax brackets. Do you not think that the rich would argue that they do not deserve to be taxed through the roof, despite how hard they've worked to get where they are? It would cause outcry from both middle tax brackets and the higher ones, this I think you'll find is the majority. This means that by no means would any political party introduce this, it would completely eradicate their chances of being voted in a second time.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
It would be protested by the rich who would be giving up half of their pay in taxes. The poor greatly outnumber the rich, that's the problem, think how much the taxes would rise in the higher tax brackets. Do you not think that the rich would argue that they do not deserve to be taxed through the roof, despite how hard they've worked to get where they are? It would cause outcry from both middle tax brackets and the higher ones, this I think you'll find is the majority. This means that by no means would any political party introduce this, it would completely eradicate their chances of being voted in a second time.

The middle class are almost gone in Canada, The poor are vastly the majority and the rich could protest all they want, the votes would be with the poor.

Statistics prove you wrong Starhawk, I've done some research and Canada unemployment rates are at a historic 33 year low at 6.1%. Heres are some figures for you to chew on http://tinyurl.com/2skgh9

Just because people are working doesn't mean they aren't poor. Get some stats on what the cost of living is.

Just to remind you,

Income in the higher tax brackets has gone up 22%

Income in the lower tax brackets had gone down 11%

There are disabled people in Canada who live in incredible poverty, most of them through a disease they developed through no fault of their own. There is disabled people starving in missions because they can't afford a place to live. Keep in mind many of these people have on going health conditions.

Step outside and see the world for what it is.

Keep in mind you are the one who raised the point of unemployed people, waving guns in order to further your point. I will try and find some statistics for you on that, though as I'm sure you're aware it's hard to find statistics on living costs alone. Generally because they will always include factors such as the raising prices in petrol, which as we know has nothing to do with the Canadian government, nor can they help it.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Keep in mind you are the one who raised the point of unemployed people. I will try and find some statistics for you on that, though as I'm sure you're aware it's hard to find statistics on living costs alone. Generally because they will always include factors such as the raising prices in petrol, which as we know has nothing to do with the Canadian government, nor can they help it.

If they want to get re-elected they will. The raise in the minimum wage is a start but we need to lessen the tax burden on them as well as increase the pension benefits.

This is the part where the debate starts going in circles.

Originally posted by Starhawk
If they want to get re-elected they will. The raise in the minimum wage is a start but we need to lessen the tax burden on them as well as increase the pension benefits.

This is the part where the debate starts going in circles.

Yes because the same point stands. That would require a raise in taxes, a massive raise in taxes and one that would be seen as unjustified. You could raise the rich brackets, but you'd have to raise the poor ones as well.