'The average of weekly earnings using this measure was $728.17, for an
annual total (52.2 working weeks) of $38,010.' That's the average earnings of Canadians. What I've found for living costs seem to differ in each province while the cheaper provinces are in the 17 thousands per annum, the more expensive are in the higher 18 thousands. These take into account food, shelter, car insurance etc etc. To me that seems fairly comfortable compared to a lot of countries.
Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Yes because the same point stands. That would require a raise in taxes, a massive raise in taxes and one that would be seen as unjustified. You could raise the rich brackets, but you'd have to raise the poor ones as well.
No you don't have to raise the the poorer ones too. And it would be seen as justified by the people it would help which are a not to small majority.
Originally posted by chillmeistergen
'The average of weekly earnings using this measure was $728.17, for an
annual total (52.2 working weeks) of $38,010.' That's the average earnings of Canadians. What I've found for living costs seem to differ in each province while the cheaper provinces are in the 17 thousands per annum, the more expensive are in the higher 18 thousands. These take into account food, shelter, car insurance etc etc. To me that seems fairly comfortable compared to a lot of countries.
A couple of references to add, here's one which agrees with you style of thinking Starhawk, that's where I got the national average earnings from: http://tinyurl.com/yrfvb7
And here's the one I used for average living costs: http://tinyurl.com/2z2l6b
Originally posted by chillmeistergen
'The average of weekly earnings using this measure was $728.17, for an
annual total (52.2 working weeks) of $38,010.' That's the average earnings of Canadians. What I've found for living costs seem to differ in each province while the cheaper provinces are in the 17 thousands per annum, the more expensive are in the higher 18 thousands. These take into account food, shelter, car insurance etc etc. To me that seems fairly comfortable compared to a lot of countries.
And where did you get these numbers from?
And saying that we are above 3rd world countries isn't enough.
And have you seen what rent costs are? Utilities? Phone bills? Food? Transportation? Gas prices?
Originally posted by Starhawk
And where did you get these numbers from?And saying that we are above 3rd world countries isn't enough.
And have you seen what rent costs are? Utilities? Phone bills? Food? Transportation? Gas prices?
Those things are included in the averages I got. They may not be top notch but they give a clearer indication than just your moanings. EDIT oh, and no it's not nessacerily third world countries I was talking about. The UK national average earnings is only around 22,000 pounds for example. The fact that the pound is stronger than the Canadian dollar is irrelevant, if that's a point you're thinking of raising.
Originally posted by Starhawk
How would you fix the problem?
Well it seems that every conceivable solution has problems. I did however quite like Fishy's suggestion of rewarding the companies that don't outsource. One of the main reasons for me liking it is that it would also contribute greatly to the economy, so the reward would be pretty much paid back in that, then if there was to be a rise in minimum wage it would be fairly reasonable to tax.
Originally posted by StarhawkNo they aren't. That is absolute stupidity. The middle class is still very large, ie. the majority of Canada. The majority of Canada is not poor, that is utter stupidity. I severely doubt you can prove that.
The middle class are almost gone in Canada, The poor are vastly the majority and the rich could protest all they want, the votes would be with the poor.
Also, what is the whining about people starving to death? It isn't a major problem in Canada. You are blowing things so far out of proportion that is hurts.
Originally posted by Nellinator
No they aren't. That is absolute stupidity. The middle class is still very large, ie. the majority of Canada. The majority of Canada is not poor, that is utter stupidity. I severely doubt you can prove that.Also, what is the whining about people starving to death? It isn't a major problem in Canada. You are blowing things so far out of proportion that is hurts.
Agreed, as proved by my posted statistics on average earnings and living costs.
Originally posted by Nellinator
Canadian living costs are rising, but they aren't even close to being as high as most other parts of the world. Poverty is not a major issue in Canada right now.
Yeah I didn't think it was. Living costs are rising here too which is pretty annoying. The good thing is though that if i was to save up and move out of the country, in a lot of places I'd have doubled the money I saved, due to the currency difference. Won't be doing that any time soon though.
Actually it is,
And yes the middle class is disappearing. Higher tax brackets are now making 22% more, lower tax brackets are now making 11% less. The divide is growing wider. There is so many people on assistance that most pension and welfare offices in Canada are backed up 3-5 months with cases. The current disability pension in Canada allots 430$ for rent and utilities, the lowest rent I found was $560 not including utilities.
We have a poverty issue in this country, the right wing tries to shuffle them under the carpet so people won't care, but the poor in this country are the majority and the right better get their act together or they are goona end up with a party in power they won't like at all.