AOTC Mace vs AOTC Dooku

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
False. Son of Dathomir never says she was weakened. E two even with mace having that huge boost, they were equals. The battle would have came down to force powers and that's where Sidious takes the cake.

Oh now you run like the little onward you are.

Well Jango is irrelevant since Jango didn't have a blade or the force, and Talzin was pretty much swinging IIRC. That really would prove Sidious is better since he needed a boost agaisnt a more powerful opponent. Thanks for helping me to prove my point. Who got thrown out the window?

Onward ??

Jango wasn't killed or beaten by Kenobi the same guy who defeated Vader. Sidious needs to channel the dark side so he needs emotional boosts just to compete though it wasn't good enough.

http://www.starwars.com/news/the-starwars-com-10-best-jedi

"While he is the most powerful Jedi, it’s Yoda’s wisdom that continues to resonate with fans today."

Originally posted by McP
If someone let himself to be defeated, he's defeated. And that's why Windu have won. Anyway, eot.

He did. Anyway, I wont discuss that with you anymore. EOT. That means, that your another aswer to me will be pointless. I'll ignore that.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
http://www.starwars.com/news/the-starwars-com-10-best-jedi

"While he is the most powerful Jedi, it’s Yoda’s wisdom that continues to resonate with fans today."

[QUOTE=15469705]Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, it does but it never states she's amped. Sidious needed a three on one advantage to have her killed.

Onward ??

Jango wasn't killed or beaten by Kenobi the same guy who defeated Vader. Sidious needs to channel the dark side so he needs emotional boosts just to compete though it wasn't good enough. [/QUOTE

Where? You and I have been over this and you yourself have already admitted the comic says she COULD be weakened. Put her off planet and Sidious takes her down.

Meant to be coward. I shall explain to you why using the choreography doesn't work. Say Dooku is slow based on the choreography and I'll give you the response that shuts it all down.

Abc logic fail. Feats matter. Obi wan performed well agaisnt fett. Defeating Vader while he want on his A game. You do understand Sidious uses the dark side right. With that you understand his like a psycho. Dooku on the other hand is a graceful elegant fencer. See the difference.

Originally posted by McP
He did. Anyway, I wont discuss that with you anymore. EOT. That means, that your another aswer to me will be pointless. I'll ignore that.

http://www.starwars.com/news/the-st...-10-best-fights

"The ending continues to be debated; Windu seemingly has Sidious beaten, unarmed and cowering. But was this all planned to get Anakin to come to his defense? Either way, it doesn’t end well for Mace."

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
[QUOTE=15469705]Originally posted by quanchi112
[B]Yes, it does but it never states she's amped. Sidious needed a three on one advantage to have her killed.

Onward ??

Jango wasn't killed or beaten by Kenobi the same guy who defeated Vader. Sidious needs to channel the dark side so he needs emotional boosts just to compete though it wasn't good enough. [/QUOTE

Where? You and I have been over this and you yourself have already admitted the comic says she COULD be weakened. Put her off planet and Sidious takes her down.

Meant to be coward. I shall explain to you why using the choreography doesn't work. Say Dooku is slow based on the choreography and I'll give you the response that shuts it all down.

Abc logic fail. Feats matter. Obi wan performed well agaisnt fett. Defeating Vader while he want on his A game. You do understand Sidious uses the dark side right. With that you understand his like a psycho. Dooku on the other hand is a graceful elegant fencer. See the difference. [/B]

Dooku isn't zombie slow he's just not fast enough to contend with Sidious.

Obi wan stalemated him whereas Windu killed him. Yoda admitted Kenobi isn't good enough to challenge the emperor but Windu was.

Dooku still employs the dark side. Windu is great no matter who he takes on.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, meaning there's no way she can amped. It's also due to her own personal power.

Dooku isn't zombie slow he's just not fast enough to contend with Sidious.

Obi wan stalemated him whereas Windu killed him. Yoda admitted Kenobi isn't good enough to challenge the emperor but Windu was.

Dooku still employs the dark side. Windu is great no matter who he takes on.

So with that you must retract your claim that she was weakened since nothing in there says she was weakened while enough makes it abundantly clear she was amped by the planet.

Dooku handled Yoda's speed, and Yoda was able to disarm Sidious, so Dooku ain't getting blitzed and would be able to hold his won for about the same length as he did against Yoda.

Look at the circumstances though. Windu wasn't faced with the same. Windu really isn't good enough either. Take that boost away and he's not gonna die instantly, but he's going to die in less than a minute. Even with that boost whether at ROTS level he would lose the majority.

Doesn't mean Windu wins. No complaints on the second sentence.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
So with that you must retract your claim that she was weakened since nothing in there says she was weakened while enough makes it abundantly clear she was amped by the planet.

Dooku handled Yoda's speed, and Yoda was able to disarm Sidious, so Dooku ain't getting blitzed and would be able to hold his won for about the same length as he did against Yoda.

Look at the circumstances though. Windu wasn't faced with the same. Windu really isn't good enough either. Take that boost away and he's not gonna die instantly, but he's going to die in less than a minute. Even with that boost whether at ROTS level he would lose the majority.

Doesn't mean Windu wins. No complaints on the second sentence.

Dooku fled. Dooku can't best Yoda. In a short dose and with his friends susceptible to danger Dooku survived in that short time frame. Nothing more.

Take away Sidious' dark side powers. We don't ignore characters abilities in an effort to demean the character. That's the way of bias. Windu won and Disney made it clear.

Yes Disney made it very clear indeed:

http://www.starwars.com/news/the-st...-10-best-fights

"The ending continues to be debated; Windu seemingly has Sidious beaten, unarmed and cowering. But was this all planned to get Anakin to come to his defense? Either way, it doesn’t end well for Mace."

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yes Disney made it very clear indeed:

http://www.starwars.com/news/the-st...-10-best-fights

"The ending continues to be debated; Windu seemingly has Sidious beaten, unarmed and cowering. But was this all planned to get Anakin to come to his defense? Either way, it doesn’t end well for Mace."

Mace seemed to defeat Sidious(...) - Databank 🙂

Originally posted by McP
Mace seemed to defeat Sidious(...) - Databank 🙂

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, the scan made it clear the process weakened her. You can't say this process might weaken you or it could also amp you to unimaginable levels. 😂

Dooku fled. Dooku can't best Yoda. In a short dose and with his friends susceptible to danger Dooku survived in that short time frame. Nothing more.

Take away Sidious' dark side powers. We don't ignore characters abilities in an effort to demean the character. That's the way of bias. Windu won and Disney made it clear.

Prove it. We've been through this over and over and I always come out on top. You yourself said it never weakened her. You said that it might have weak e her meaning we don't know for sure. I never said the process would amp her, I said the planet would.

Dooku contended with Yoda on his own merit.

And Sidious is still a master deulist and master force weilder. Taking away Sidious dark side power is not the same as taking away mace's ability to use Vaapad. I'm not taking away his abilities. I even added in a sentence that if you take Windu at that exact moment he wouldn't have won again. Windu appeared to win. Disney explicitly said that.

This is Quan's logic. In a nut shell he uses Abc logic.

To him Windu>Sidious>Dooku

This is not true. Dooku has been stated on several occasions to be Windu's equal. Then you look at the specifics of Mace's battle with Sidious. He had a large boost from Vaapad which he has never received before. The circumstances are best stated in the novelization. Those circumstances won't be here for Windu. He won't be nearly as boosted due to Dooku's personality and technique. A controlled calculating man, with a graceful and elegant style. Not something suited for Vaapad now is it. His inner rage won't be nearly as high or anything that makes up Vaapad.

Vaapad has never been shown to get the better of an opponent. Not agaisnt Ventress, Bulq, Sidious or any of them. He was in fact beaten by Deepa Bilaba however under circumstances however I believe. Not agaisnt maul and Dooku when they fought.

http://www.starwars.com/news/the-st...-10-best-fights

"The ending continues to be debated; Windu seemingly has Sidious beaten, unarmed and cowering. But was this all planned to get Anakin to come to his defense? Either way, it doesn’t end well for Mace."

Quan seems to be throwing wild arguments to see if any of them sticks, but Dooku just parries all of them.

Originally posted by Bentley
but Dooku just parries all of them.

👆

Parrying is what he does best.