AOTC Mace vs AOTC Dooku

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Prove it. We've been through this over and over and I always come out on top. You yourself said it never weakened her. You said that it might have weak e her meaning we don't know for sure. I never said the process would amp her, I said the planet would.

Dooku contended with Yoda on his own merit.

And Sidious is still a master deulist and master force weilder. Taking away Sidious dark side power is not the same as taking away mace's ability to use Vaapad. I'm not taking away his abilities. I even added in a sentence that if you take Windu at that exact moment he wouldn't have won again. Windu appeared to win. Disney explicitly said that.

No, since he always threatened his allies and used them to flee from any further conflict.

Yes, it is. It's a natural ability and one you act like doesn't count. Windu is awesome and has no low moments. Dooku got killed by Anakin and humiliated by Vos.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
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"The ending continues to be debated; Windu seemingly has Sidious beaten, unarmed and cowering. But was this all planned to get Anakin to come to his defense? Either way, it doesn’t end well for Mace."

Originally posted by Bentley
Quan seems to be throwing wild arguments to see if any of them sticks, but Dooku just parries all of them.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It says weakened not amped. You have nothing to suggest it's an amp especially given the circumstances were different here.

No, since he always threatened his allies and used them to flee from any further conflict.

Yes, it is. It's a natural ability and one you act like doesn't count. Windu is awesome and has no low moments. Dooku got killed by Anakin and humiliated by Vos.

No it doesn't. It never says she was weakened. It does say Heart of her power which means at her strongest.

He still contended fair and square. He threatened them at the end so he did fight as long as he did fair and square with no distractions.

No it's not. I'm not saying it doesn't count. I'm telling you factually, the same boost he got then won't happen again. That just the facts. He will be able to use Vaapad but it won't be able to help him the same way. Windu was killed by Sidious, while in a supposedly weak position. Now that's bad.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
No it doesn't. It never says she was weakened. It does say Heart of her power which means at her strongest.

He still contended fair and square. He threatened them at the end so he did fight as long as he did fair and square with no distractions.

No it's not. I'm not saying it doesn't count. I'm telling you factually, the same boost he got then won't happen again. That just the facts. He will be able to use Vaapad but it won't be able to help him the same way. Windu was killed by Sidious, while in a supposedly weak position. Now that's bad.

He used that as a distraction to flee thus contaminating the fight.

His abilities count just as Sidious' as well. Windu was killed due to Anakin's involvement. You ignore the context.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It says weakened after she reacquired a body.

He used that as a distraction to flee thus contaminating the fight.

His abilities count just as Sidious' as well. Windu was killed due to Anakin's involvement. You ignore the context.

No it doesn't. I've read the comic. It says she could have been weakened by the ritual. However it never confirms it while Heart of Her power says she's at her most powerful which takes away anything saying she was weakened.

No it doesn't. It was a one time thing that happened at the end of the fight. Everything else was Dooku. Rewatch the fight.

Again not taking away his abilities. The difference between the two is Sidious can move that fast whenever. Mace can't. I don't care about the context. You yourself have said Sidious was in a weak position, and Jedi can use precog so all bad on Windu then.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
No it doesn't. I've read the comic. It says she could have been weakened by the ritual. However it never confirms it while Heart of Her power says she's at her most powerful which takes away anything saying she was weakened.

No it doesn't. It was a one time thing that happened at the end of the fight. Everything else was Dooku. Rewatch the fight.

Again not taking away his abilities. The difference between the two is Sidious can move that fast whenever. Mace can't. I don't care about the context. You yourself have said Sidious was in a weak position, and Jedi can use precog so all bad on Windu then.

So you admit he only escaped because Yoda's friends were in peril.

You are trying to downplay Windu's abilities. He won and Sidious lost. Fact.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thatbhas no relevance to the state she's be in after getting another body but my scan does. That addresses that notion yours doesn't.

So you admit he only escaped because Yoda's friends were in peril.

You are trying to downplay Windu's abilities. He won and Sidious lost. Fact.

Yea it does. Heart of her power means at her most powerful. That means she can't be weakened. You go on and on about this scan. Until you show it I say it doesn't exist.

You admit he went toe to toe with Yoda on how own merit?

How? How am I downplaying Windu?

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Yea it does. Heart of her power means at her most powerful. That means she can't be weakened. You go on and on about this scan. Until you show it I say it doesn't exist.

You admit he went toe to toe with Yoda on how own merit?

How? How am I downplaying Windu?

The only reason he escaped was due to Yoda's friends being in danger.

By ignoring his abilities.

@EmperorSidious2

Yeah, there is no proof, that she was weakened. She could be weakened, but she was on her nexus, which should compensate that weakness.

Anyway, it's safe to assume, that she was about her best shape (assuming that was weakened, and it was compensate by nexus), or far above her best shape (assuming that she wasn't weakened, and was boosted by nexus.
Either way, she was inferior to Sidious.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Not after reacquiring her body. You just restate your point showing you don't comprehend what I'm saying.

The only reason he escaped was due to Yoda's friends being in danger.

By ignoring his abilities.

She fought Sidious in the possessed body and her own, night brother says heart of her power. That right there shows she wasn't weakened. Then take into consideration that this is her own personal nexus, all of that there she wasn't weakened but overpowered and still couldn't beat Sidious. You're not saying anything. All you're saying is that she was weakened. Not much to comprehend there.

Doesn't change the fact he still went toe to toe with Yoda as long as he did on his won skill.

How am I doing that? I acknowledged he had Vaapad. I acknowledged its role in his battle with Sidious. However when doing that you have to look at the factors that make up Vaapad. Once you do that then it becomes clear Vaapad won't serve him as well as it did in that battle. Also you look at Dooku already fought a Vaapad master in Sora Bulq who Windu did say his mastery of the form was a notch below his own, and this was before Bulq's turn. Dooku beat him with extreme ease. So all of this is why I don't hold Vaapad high as it is. It's called thinking. Something you wouldn't understand how to do.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
She fought Sidious in the possessed body and her own, night brother says heart of her power. That right there shows she wasn't weakened. Then take into consideration that this is her own personal nexus, all of that there she wasn't weakened but overpowered and still couldn't beat Sidious. You're not saying anything. All you're saying is that she was weakened. Not much to comprehend there.

Doesn't change the fact he still went toe to toe with Yoda as long as he did on his won skill.

How am I doing that? I acknowledged he had Vaapad. I acknowledged its role in his battle with Sidious. However when doing that you have to look at the factors that make up Vaapad. Once you do that then it becomes clear Vaapad won't serve him as well as it did in that battle. Also you look at Dooku already fought a Vaapad master in Sora Bulq who Windu did say his mastery of the form was a notch below his own, and this was before Bulq's turn. Dooku beat him with extreme ease. So all of this is why I don't hold Vaapad high as it is. It's called thinking. Something you wouldn't understand how to do.

You inserts your own opinion and tried to take away his abilities and acted like they didn't matter. They did as Windu won.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Reacquiring a body means she isn't at her best. At no point was an amp referenced. It was very brief and he was only able to escape due to the allies.

You inserts your own opinion and tried to take away his abilities and acted like they didn't matter. They did as Windu won.

She went back to her own body in the Heart of her power. You can't refute that. HEART OF HER POWER then you take into consideration everything we know about Dathomir, that she has performed feats far more powerful on Dathomir than off, and Ventresses Statements in DD. At no point was the weakened confirmed. Longer than mauls 1v1 agisnst Sidious, and at at least Dooku wasn't disarmed.

These aren't opinions. These are the facts. I acknowledged its effectiveness in the situations it was used. I acknowledged it. However when examining it, it won't work agaisnt Dooku as well or even work period as for reasons stated before. So I'm still not seeing how these are my opinions or how I'm low balling mace.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
She went back to her own body in the Heart of her power. You can't refute that. HEART OF HER POWER then you take into consideration everything we know about Dathomir, that she has performed feats far more powerful on Dathomir than off, and Ventresses Statements in DD. At no point was the weakened confirmed. Longer than mauls 1v1 agisnst Sidious, and at at least Dooku wasn't disarmed.

These aren't opinions. These are the facts. I acknowledged its effectiveness in the situations it was used. I acknowledged it. However when examining it, it won't work agaisnt Dooku as well or even work period as for reasons stated before. So I'm still not seeing how these are my opinions or how I'm low balling mace.

Sidious defeated Yoda. Dooku also wasn't dueling longer he was taking the vast majority of the time force attacking him to no success.

You are saying this will never happen again and speaking of a factual nature with future fights with Windu and ignoring the facts of his canon fights. Windu defeated Sidious and you admitted Dooku can't so end of story.

Originally posted by quanchi112
And the process could weaken her not amp her. That scan is very relevant to her at the proper moment in time.

Sidious defeated Yoda. Dooku also wasn't dueling longer he was taking the vast majority of the time force attacking him to no success.

You are saying this will never happen again and speaking of a factual nature with future fights with Windu and ignoring the facts of his canon fights. Windu defeated Sidious and you admitted Dooku can't so end of story.

Never said she was weakened though, so really your speculating. What scan? You have no scan until you post it here.

Yoda disamred Sidious. So Dooku went up agisnst the better of the two. Dooku>Maul confirmed. He actaully was. 37>25 seconds.

Because it won't. Those are just the facts. Dooku doesn't have the same hatred as Sidious did and is much more controlled. That's how the canon fight went if you cared to even understand the canon. The novelization made it very clear that Widnu only reached that level due to his internal anger being greater than ever, due to the republic he had fought so hard for was controlled by the Sith and that one person was the guy he was fighting. Then Sidious had so much dark energy to let out all of that gave mace all he needed. He won't get the same from Dooku. Facts dude. I think Darth Thor made it clear to you that the issue isn't solved. It's possible Sidious threw the fight.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Never said she was weakened though, so really your speculating. What scan? You have no scan until you post it here.

Yoda disamred Sidious. So Dooku went up agisnst the better of the two. Dooku>Maul confirmed. He actaully was. 37>25 seconds.

Because it won't. Those are just the facts. Dooku doesn't have the same hatred as Sidious did and is much more controlled. That's how the canon fight went if you cared to even understand the canon. The novelization made it very clear that Widnu only reached that level due to his internal anger being greater than ever, due to the republic he had fought so hard for was controlled by the Sith and that one person was the guy he was fighting. Then Sidious had so much dark energy to let out all of that gave mace all he needed. He won't get the same from Dooku. Facts dude. I think Darth Thor made it clear to you that the issue isn't solved. It's possible Sidious threw the fight.

Yoda disarmed but still lost. Windu disarmed and had him at his mercy. No, it isn't. And the writer of son of dathomir agrees Maul > Dooku.

Dooku still had hatred but isn't on Windu's level either way. Windy did what Yoda failed to do.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
The scan you just discussed.

Yoda disarmed but still lost. Windu disarmed and had him at his mercy. No, it isn't. And the writer of son of dathomir agrees Maul > Dooku.

Dooku still had hatred but isn't on Windu's level either way. Windy did what Yoda failed to do.

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Well if that's the case then you're wrong cause that can scan never says she was weakened and says heart of her power so yes I'm right she was amped and you're wrong that she was weak.

So you agree Yoda better swordsman of the two and thus Dooku would have the harder time and survived longer in a saber to saber match thus you agree Dooku>Maul. Opinions don't matter dude, especially when the only reason he has is that Maul's strength of will will carry him through. Dooku will take out of him.

So? Doesn't mean it's going to work. Everyone has hatered.mwith the exception of maybe Yoda. You should take another look at the polls Quan. Dooku is defintlly on Windu level. He actually maybe better as a swordsman. With what now? With a boost. Yoda disamred him without one. Yoda>Windu confirmed.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Well if that's the case then you're wrong cause that can scan never says she was weakened and says heart of her power so yes I'm right she was amped and you're wrong that she was weak.

So you agree Yoda better swordsman of the two and thus Dooku would have the harder time and survived longer in a saber to saber match thus you agree Dooku>Maul. Opinions don't matter dude, especially when the only reason he has is that Maul's strength of will will carry him through. Dooku will take out of him.

So? Doesn't mean it's going to work. Everyone has hatered.mwith the exception of maybe Yoda. You should take another look at the polls Quan. Dooku is defintlly on Windu level. He actually maybe better as a swordsman. With what now? With a boost. Yoda disamred him without one. Yoda>Windu confirmed.

Dooku didn't fight Yoda long saber vs saber. This has nothing to do with Maul. You say certain peoples opinions are facts when they align with yours but when they dint they don't count.

The Jedi don't rely on emotion for strength the Sith do. This is basic Star Wars stuff, kiddo.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It said she might be weakened not that she might be amped. The words make it clear. If someone goes to the effort of saying this process could weaken her they don't also mean or she's possibly at her greatest. It makes no sense.

Dooku didn't fight Yoda long saber vs saber. This has nothing to do with Maul. You say certain peoples opinions are facts when they align with yours but when they dint they don't count.

The Jedi don't rely on emotion for strength the Sith do. This is basic Star Wars stuff, kiddo.

Might. Never confirms it while it does say heart of her power and then you combine everything we know about Dathomir, it's clear she was amped.

He fought longer than maul that's the point. Actually I don't. Nick Guillard pretty much proclaimed Anakin is a 9 and he is the stunt coordinator of the movie and made examinations. The writer flat out said this was his opinion. See the difference.

Mace Windu and Vaapad. That involved his inner anger you idiot.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Might. Never confirms it while it does say heart of her power and then you combine everything we know about Dathomir, it's clear she was amped.

He fought longer than maul that's the point. Actually I don't. Nick Guillard pretty much proclaimed Anakin is a 9 and he is the stunt coordinator of the movie and made examinations. The writer flat out said this was his opinion. See the difference.

Mace Windu and Vaapad. That involved his inner anger you idiot.

Maul never fought Yoda so an abc logic comparison and no he didn't fight longer with sabers.

So you agree Windu used his own abilities and is greater than Dooku who was killed by Anakin and humiliated by Vos.