Originally posted by quanchi112
After he fought back and was disarmed. Dooku never fought back. You missed the point.
Why the **** would Dooku fight back against his Master? The most powerful Sith ever? He's being punished you dingus, the Sith have a history of punishing their apprentices.
Hell, freaking Inquisitor from SWR punishes guys by killing them.
Why would they. And Dooku, fight back?
It would be illogical for an apprentice to do so.
Originally posted by Fated XtasyMaul acknowledged him as his master and fought back right after Sidious came at him. Dooku actually later died according to plan without even an objection. Dooku sat back while his master betrayed him to Anakin without even uttering a single word to save his own life. Dooku was submissive Maul wasn't.
Why the **** would Dooku fight back against his Master? The most powerful Sith ever? He's being punished you dingus, the Sith have a history of punishing their apprentices.Hell, freaking Inquisitor from SWR punishes guys by killing them.
Why would they. And Dooku, fight back?
It would be illogical for an apprentice to do so.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Maul acknowledged him as his master and fought back right after Sidious came at him. Dooku actually later died according to plan without even an objection. Dooku sat back while his master betrayed him to Anakin without even uttering a single word to save his own life. Dooku was submissive Maul wasn't.
He had his hands cut off, genius. And Anakin had his sabers to his throat, what was he supposed to do? Fight him off with his stumps?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, they are since they both have force powers. Dooku just submitted to the punishment whereas Maul didn't.
No they aren't. Someone was in an actual full on duel. Dooku was over a hologram receiving orders from Sidious. The two are t comparable. Having force powers doesn't make the two comparable.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2Yes, it is relevant as the force powers make him able to defend himself since Sidious is a hologram to him. Maul fought back. Dooku didn't.
No they aren't. Someone was in an actual full on duel. Dooku was over a hologram receiving orders from Sidious. The two are t comparable. Having force powers doesn't make the two comparable.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, it is relevant as the force powers make him able to defend himself since Sidious is a hologram to him. Maul fought back. Dooku didn't.
How was Dooku supposed to know he would get force choked, second say he did defend himself, Sidious is defintily more powerful,3 they were in two different situations. Maul was in a battle, Dooku wasn't. The two aren't comparable.
Dooku and Mace is an even match up. Both ahve feats that compete with one another. I personally don't see them improving much after AOTC so I take their feats from ROTS as well, and still Mace has no feats that put him solidly above Dooku that it's easily. If anything it's enough evidence to put Dooku above Mace.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2Sidious is more skilled and more powerful yet Maul fought back. Dooku didn't. This was not Windu the guy who had Sidious begging for quarter.
How was Dooku supposed to know he would get force choked, second say he did defend himself, Sidious is defintily more powerful,3 they were in two different situations. Maul was in a battle, Dooku wasn't. The two aren't comparable.Dooku and Mace is an even match up. Both ahve feats that compete with one another. I personally don't see them improving much after AOTC so I take their feats from ROTS as well, and still Mace has no feats that put him solidly above Dooku that it's easily. If anything it's enough evidence to put Dooku above Mace.
Windu has no legit losses. The same cannot be said for Dooku.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Sidious is more skilled and more powerful yet Maul fought back. Dooku didn't. This was not Windu the guy who had Sidious begging for quarter.Windu has no legit losses. The same cannot be said for Dooku.
Cause he was in a physical contest. Dooku was across the galaxy over a hologram, receiving instructions in his own palace. Why would Dooku even have up force defenses in that situation? He wasn't fighting, he was in his own home, and Sidious trust him, so why have a sheild up? Lucas contradicts this.
That's irrelevant. If two character fight and they are shown to be even, it doesn't matter who loses more, it just matter about that match up. Dooku can compete and out duel Windu. I'm ready for legit arguments from you if you can Actaully give them.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2It doesn't matter as we clearly saw Sidious betray him and he still went to his death without even an objection.
Cause he was in a physical contest. Dooku was across the galaxy over a hologram, receiving instructions in his own palace. Why would Dooku even have up force defenses in that situation? He wasn't fighting, he was in his own home, and Sidious trust him, so why have a sheild up? Lucas contradicts this.That's irrelevant. If two character fight and they are shown to be even, it doesn't matter who loses more, it just matter about that match up. Dooku can compete and out duel Windu. I'm ready for legit arguments from you if you can Actaully give them.
Windu is shown to be superior and Dooku has losses Windu doesn't have. Vos embarrassed him.
Originally posted by TrocityNo, he just got free. Maul begged for his life but not in the son of dathomir. Sidious also begged for his life when he was on the losing end to Windu. Dooku didn't even try to save his own life. That's being as submissive as it gets to his own death.
Sidious slammed Maul into a wall and pinned him there and then let him go so he could embarrass him.Maul begged for his life, Maul sucks.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, he just got free.
So desperate LOL
Maul wasn't capable of getting free. Which is why they specifically showed Sidious letting him down. And even Maul had help from his brother 😂
Sidious's ownage of Dooku was no where near as bad.
Sidious merely choked Dooku in a 1 v 1 scenario, whilst Maul+Opress combined were getting completely crushed by Sidious 😂
Originally posted by quanchi112
Maul acknowledged him as his master and fought back right after Sidious came at him.
Because Sidious called Maul an enemy Dummy. He was there to destroy him.
Sidious had no intention of killing Dooku, just punishing him. There was absolutely no need or point for Dooku to fight back. Not to mention Sidious wasn't within Saber reach anyway DUMMY. Neither Maul or Dooku can resist Sidious's Force Powers. But Dooku is obviously more powerful than Maul given the way Maul was easily ragdolled and crushed.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It doesn't matter as we clearly saw Sidious betray him and he still went to his death without even an objection.Windu is shown to be superior and Dooku has losses Windu doesn't have. Vos embarrassed him.
He didn't know Sidious was going to turn on him. Also you would have to prove that Dooku had up a force wall when he was choked.
That's because Dooku has more lightsaber duels while Mace has less. Again those loses are irrelevant as none of those combatants or duels have anything to do with this match up. How exactly? By winning?
Originally posted by Darth ThorThat isn't accurate. We see Yoda able to force push Sheev backwards due to an opening much the same as Maul in that fight.
So desperate LOLMaul wasn't capable of getting free. Which is why they specifically showed Sidious letting him down. And even Maul had help from his brother 😂
Sidious's ownage of Dooku was no where near as bad.
Sidious merely choked Dooku in a 1 v 1 scenario, whilst Maul+Opress combined were getting completely crushed by Sidious 😂
Because Sidious called Maul an enemy Dummy. He was there to destroy him.
Sidious had no intention of killing Dooku, just punishing him. There was absolutely no need or point for Dooku to fight back. Not to mention Sidious wasn't within Saber reach anyway DUMMY. Neither Maul or Dooku can resist Sidious's Force Powers. But Dooku is obviously more powerful than Maul given the way Maul was easily ragdolled and crushed.
Dooku didn't even object which is my problem because he has a submissive nature.
Sidious wanted to kill Maul in son of dathomir and he was unsuccessful. Maul lives. Sidious is dead canonically.
I disagree entirely. You need to prove your case.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2He did tk ow before but he knew after and still just allowed it to happen.
He didn't know Sidious was going to turn on him. Also you would have to prove that Dooku had up a force wall when he was choked.That's because Dooku has more lightsaber duels while Mace has less. Again those loses are irrelevant as none of those combatants or duels have anything to do with this match up. How exactly? By winning?
So you believe Anakin and Vos can defeat Windu ?
Originally posted by The_TempestNo, it isn't. It's about connecting to someone before they can defend themselves. Dooku can't just force choke and force push Kenobi at will like he did in rots as evidenced by his multiple fights with Kenobi.
Yoda Force pushed Sidious. Sidious pinned Maul and kept him there. Huuuuuge difference.
Originally posted by The_TempestI am saying you need to find the right opening to successfully pin someone just like you need the right opening to successfully push someone a ways back.
So you're telling me that there's no significance between a shove and a pin? Like if I suddenly shove you in the chest versus me shoving you and your larger brother against a wall and keeping you both there against your will while you struggle for several seconds there's no difference?