Originally posted by The_TempestJust as someone can fight back, squirm, and eventually break free. We see Yoda actually use his force powers to make combat impossible with Ventress. Palpatine isn't strong enough to do this to Maul.
The thing is, though... They actively fought back and tried to get out of it. We see them struggle and squirm impotently, cracking the glass behind them. But they couldn't break free.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He did tk ow before but he knew after and still just allowed it to happen.So you believe Anakin and Vos can defeat Windu ?
While you're being force choked you can't stop it through a force wall, so again you would have to prove Dooku had a force wall up to actually defend against it.
Why does that matter? This is about Dooku vs Windu, not Vos or Anakin.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2You can attack while you're being choked.
While you're being force choked you can't stop it through a force wall, so again you would have to prove Dooku had a force wall up to actually defend against it.Why does that matter? This is about Dooku vs Windu, not Vos or Anakin.
Showing that Windu is faster than Dooku which is relevant.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Palpatine isn't strong enough to do this to Maul.
Except he did @4:24:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7hBZNsPnyg&feature=youtu.be&t=4:24
Originally posted by quanchi112So you believe Anakin and Vos can defeat Windu ?
Possibly. Why not?
After all he didn't exactly stomp Maul, even with help.
Originally posted by Darth ThorNo, he used the right moment.
Except he did @4:24:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7hBZNsPnyg&feature=youtu.be&t=4:24
Possibly. Why not?
After all he didn't exactly stomp Maul, even with help.
So ? Windu did defeat Sidious.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Dooku was a hologram to Sidious.It has to do with Dooku who is slow.
Exactly so he couldn't fight back.
Doesn't have to do with Dooku vs Windu. Being beaten by Anakin who is a 9 and Vos who was boosted quite considerably has nothing to do this battle, and nothing proves Dooku is slow.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2He could fight Sidious. He could use the force to attack him.
Exactly so he couldn't fight back.Doesn't have to do with Dooku vs Windu. Being beaten by Anakin who is a 9 and Vos who was boosted quite considerably has nothing to do this battle, and nothing proves Dooku is slow.
The Vos battle proves that he's slow and like I've always said.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He could fight Sidious. He could use the force to attack him.The Vos battle proves that he's slow and like I've always said.
No he couldn't. Oh yea, Dooku is really going to really use force lightning here. TK wouldn't even work. A force push or wave, the only thing it would do it blow a hole in his castle. He couldn't force choke Sidious, so I keep the original claim that Dooku couldn't fight back.
How so? Why is losing to quin Lin Vos make you slow?
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2He could force choke him. He chose to not fight back.
No he couldn't. Oh yea, Dooku is really going to really use force lightning here. TK wouldn't even work. A force push or wave, the only thing it would do it blow a hole in his castle. He couldn't force choke Sidious, so I keep the original claim that Dooku couldn't fight back.How so? Why is losing to quin Lin Vos make you slow?
The comic made it clear Dooku wasn't fast enough for Vos.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He could force choke him. He chose to not fight back.The comic made it clear Dooku wasn't fast enough for Vos.
No he couldn't. Sidious is way to powerful so there's no way he could have gotten past his force defenses.
What comic? Dark Disciple is a novel. A novel I believe you haven't read. Dooku wasn't fast enough for Vos? That doesn't mean Dooku was slow, just that Vos was fast.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2He could he chose to not even try.
No he couldn't. Sidious is way to powerful so there's no way he could have gotten past his force defenses.What comic? Dark Disciple is a novel. A novel I believe you haven't read. Dooku wasn't fast enough for Vos? That doesn't mean Dooku was slow, just that Vos was fast.
That means Dooku is too slow to keep up which I have always said. I saved the scan of the page. 🙂
Originally posted by quanchi112
He could he chose to not even try.That means Dooku is too slow to keep up which I have always said. I saved the scan of the page. 🙂
Prove it. Prove Dooku could get past his force wall.
When he was up against a full emerged Dark Vos. The novel explicitly states that Dooku was fast but Vos was faster. Then show the scan. I remember this being a novelization not a comic book.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2He can use force choke just like Ventress did so to Anakin and Kenobi simulataneously.
Prove it. Prove Dooku could get past his force wall.When he was up against a full emerged Dark Vos. The novel explicitly states that Dooku was fast but Vos was faster. Then show the scan. I remember this being a novelization not a comic book.
A scan of the page in which it goes into detail that Vos is too fast.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He can use force choke just like Ventress did so to Anakin and Kenobi simulataneously.A scan of the page in which it goes into detail that Vos is too fast.
Just because one character did it doesn't mean he can. Also Ventress wasn't already being force choked by Anakin.
Show the scan. Also Vos was to fast. Not Windu. Vos isn't Windu.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2It has to do with the right timing. After he left off he should have attacked.
Just because one character did it doesn't mean he can. Also Ventress wasn't already being force choked by Anakin.Show the scan. Also Vos was to fast. Not Windu. Vos isn't Windu.
You admit he's too fast so no point since you don't dispute it.
Windu is faster since he parried Sidious and disarmed him.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It has to do with the right timing. After he left off he should have attacked.You admit he's too fast so no point since you don't dispute it.
Windu is faster since he parried Sidious and disarmed him.
1) There was no right timing for Dooku
2) Sidious is way to powerful. There was no way Dooku was going to break through his defenses. Once Sidious let him go that's when the transmission ended.
You're saying he slow when that battle with Vos means nothing to prove that point.
That logic doesn't work really. By saying that you're saying Windu would receive the same boost he did agaisnt Sidious which isn't happening. Also Windu disarming Sidious had nothing to do with hair lightsaber skills. It was a kick.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious21) when Sidious isn't expecting it right after he let up.
1) There was no right timing for Dooku
2) Sidious is way to powerful. There was no way Dooku was going to break through his defenses. Once Sidious let him go that's when the transmission ended.You're saying he slow when that battle with Vos means nothing to prove that point.
That logic doesn't work really. By saying that you're saying Windu would receive the same boost he did agaisnt Sidious which isn't happening. Also Windu disarming Sidious had nothing to do with hair lightsaber skills. It was a kick.
2). It is about timing.
Windu beat Sidious Vos didn't. Vos doesn't have the resume to compete with Windu. He can however defeat Dooku.