Berserk Wolverine VS Namor

Started by carver927 pages
Originally posted by Ytse
I reckon Spidey questioned his speed because Wolverine has a loooot of fighting experience and was probably anticipating what Spider-Man would do to a degree. But I think a good indicator of Spider-Man's speed is earlier when he's evading Storm's lightning bolts.

You do know that the xmen wasnt trying to fight spiderman, they were trying to calm his crazy a** down. Toad could have came in there and did the same thing. So are you trying to tell me that wolverine can beat the entire xmen also since he has done so in the past and this was the xmen that was trying to talk to him (unlike them trying to talk to spiderman).

Spiderman questioned his speed against wolverine, plain and simple and that wasnt the 1st time that he questioned his speed against him. Do you remember the fight on the chimney.

Originally posted by carver9
So are you trying to tell me that wolverine can beat the entire xmen also since he has done so in the past and this was the xmen that was trying to talk to him (unlike them trying to talk to spiderman).

No. Haha.

Spiderman questioned his speed against wolverine, plain and simple

There is no narrative saying that Wolverine is as fast as Peter. So you have to look at what Spider-Man says in context. He's a normal human being with all of this power thrust upon him and he's face-to-face with one of the best H2H combatants in the MU. Wolverine is so well versed in combat that it's more reasonable to think it's just that he's anticipating what Spidey will do to a degree rather than, Spider-Man, in the heat of battle, making objective commentary on Wolverine's speed.

Namor for the reasons posted in the link below. durfist
http://s82.photobucket.com/albums/j241/Badabing_2006/?action=view&current=1179541597.pbw

Originally posted by Ytse
No. Haha.

There is no narrative saying that Wolverine is as fast as Peter. So you have to look at what Spider-Man says in context. He's a normal human being with all of this power thrust upon him and he's face-to-face with one of the best H2H combatants in the MU. Wolverine is so well versed in combat that it's more reasonable to think it's just that he's anticipating what Spidey will do to a degree rather than, Spider-Man, in the heat of battle, making objective commentary on Wolverine's speed.

Read; questioning his speed and then he's in denial.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5783398

Originally posted by Badabing
Namor for the reasons posted in the link below. durfist
http://s82.photobucket.com/albums/j241/Badabing_2006/?action=view&current=1179541597.pbw

😆
Youre a funny guy, you know that. I try so hard not to laugh at your crazy comments but end up just busting out laughing. Nut, can you stop showing wolverine low showings, everyone has them.

Originally posted by carver9
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Youre a funny guy, you know that. I try so hard not to laugh at your crazy comments but end up just busting out laughing. Nut, can you stop showing wolverine low showings, everyone has them.

Question mark

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70tVrSGfvDY

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Question mark

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70tVrSGfvDY

(just playing)
you make me sick

wow Carver, I feel bad that you spent all that time disputing a point that was never made. The only reason I compared Hulk to Wolverine is because someone commented earlier that "Hulk > Namor" which isnt the case. Maybe before you decide to "teach me" you should learn to understand the original message.
Also if a Deer, a baton, or a rock wielding imp can take Wolverine down I really dont think Namor's punch wouldnt also be effective. Namor might bleed, but Wolverine would sleep.

Originally posted by carver9
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Youre a funny guy, you know that. I try so hard not to laugh at your crazy comments but end up just busting out laughing. Nut, can you stop showing wolverine low showings, everyone has them.
So if he looses that's low showing?

Originally posted by carver9
Read; questioning his speed and then he's in denial.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5783398

It looks to me that he didn't expect that strike from Wolverine. But after he effortlessly launches him into the air his doubts are assuaged.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Oh yeah if Frank had radar sense maybe he would be as good as DD. I dunno man Frank seems to have just got weaker and weaker. When I first started reading comics serioulsy (1986)I got the impression that Frank was as good at Cap in H2H but now hes getting guns swiped out of his hand by Elecktra.

If Frank was written properly I think he would be a better MA than DD but its DDs radars sense and MA that makes him better than Frank. Im gonna get hell for this.

Anyway back on topic. 😄 Namor wins.

I don't think radar has anything to do with skill level... sure it helps perception but it doesn't make daredevil anymore physically capible to use martial arts offensively than frank.. and basically everything I've seen from DD in terms of h2h has been in fact superior.

Originally posted by MRasheed
lol...

You said that when you read the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe you didn't like because when you read it it said that kitty and frank castle were better martial artists than DD and shang chi.

Isn't that what you said? Yes, it is.

I said I never got that impression when I read their entries.

[b]NOW do you understand? Maybe you should print this off and hold it up to a mirror or something... [/B]

Dude it's like the ability to comprehend what I'm saying is beyond your scope...

the entries imply one thing (which by the way you're interpretation of words is irrelivent here), yet the stats STATE quite another in contrast to your interpretation... that right there should tell you that handbooks are not faultless tools and open to the same mistakes as the comics if not worse.

Originally posted by A-Rah
In order to defeat a character your powers have to give you an advantage. The Rhino is stronger than Spiderman, but Spiderman's superior agility, Spider sense, reflexes, and webbing allow Spiderman to constantly kick the crap out of the Rhino. The sum total of Spiderman's powers trumps the sh!t out of Rhino’s strength. That being said...

granted... though in rhino's case his own CIS plays against him more than anything as was proven when spidey tried to fight a smart rhino.

Originally posted by A-Rah
Wolverine simply isn't bringing enough to the field of battle to fight some one with Class 100 strength,.

Why not?
He has tools that can kill class 100's with one hit.

Originally posted by A-Rah
flight faster then speed of sound, a body that can not only effortlessly withstand the pressure of the ocean, but thrive in it, last for short periods of time unaided in the vacuum of space, reflexes so fast that he has effortlessly dodged bullets and lasers, and has went toe to toe with the most powerful heroes and villains in the MU.

Oh yeah that's right.....Wolverine has a healing factor.


Namor's flight isn't faster than some of the things that Wolverine's dodged, reacted to, or even snagged out of the air.. it's hardly an advantage in a fist fight.
His body thriving in the ocean depths means nothing since he's a damned fish man... some fish can survive the open depth's, they're far from indestructible... any human can survive in space for as long as they can hold their breath.. the vacumm stufff was guestimation proven wrong 3 years ago. Namor's reflexes are nothing more impressive than what ANY street level hero has produced... his speed in comparison to wolverine's until proven otherwise is the same....he has no advantage there.. and so what if he's gone toe to toe with powerful heroes and villians in the MU.. so has wolverine.. that proves nothing.

I fail to see what you were trying to do here besides indulge yourself by stripping wolverine of the tools that he brings to the table here...

He has superior senses, his speed is as fast if not faster than namor's, his reflexes on par, his healing factor negates namor's strength as do his bones and he's got claws capible of penetrating namor straight through effortlessly.... not to mention better fighting skills.. but let's ignore that so namor stands a chance eh?

Originally posted by A-Rah
OK so when they fight wolverine can scratch at him with his Martial arts techniques and Namor can grab him (with the same reflexes that can effortlessly dodge gun and laser fire) and chuck him into outer space and let him "heal" from that. Or hold his little peak human ass or hell give him the strength of Spiderman (10 tons) because he still won't be able to break Namor's grip that could crush a wrecking ball and fling his little 5' 3" ass into a volcano and let him "heal" over and over again until the fricken Beyonder feels sorry for his ass.

Why the hell is this fight lasting 16+ pages again?

because a large number of people are not failing to grasp the concept that grabing wolverine's hands and remaining unscathed isn't a likely scenario.. namor winning this with a toss out to space is as likely as Wolverine winning with a volcan nerve pinch... actually less likely.

Originally posted by Rewmac
But if I'd brought the scan where that Wolverine got smashed into the ground hard and stood up like nothing happened you'd say something else. I wasn't saying that's cannon and see you are striking again. I was just mentioning a thing...That's why I can talk normally to Jinzin. Because he isn't attacking when someone says something.
Why'd you bring it up?

Originally posted by Rewmac
Just one thing. An alternative Earth Wolverine with the same abilities as the 616 (even tougher) gets owned by Long Shot...
Then what could Namor do?

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/104/exiles0942007oracledcp1dv3.jpg

I could care less about an alternate reality wolverine... 616 wolverine gave longshot, rogue, nightcrawler, a tough workout all at once.. so that example doesn't do much for me.. I mean an alternate reality wolverine killed the shit out of namor in one comic.. should I then use that example?

Originally posted by jinzin
I could care less about an alternate reality wolverine... 616 wolverine gave longshot, rogue, nightcrawler, a tough workout all at once.. so that example doesn't do much for me.. I mean an alternate reality wolverine killed the shit out of namor in one comic.. should I then use that example?
Originally posted by Rewmac
But if I'd brought the scan where that Wolverine got smashed into the ground hard and stood up like nothing happened you'd say something else. I wasn't saying that's cannon and see you are striking again. I was just mentioning a thing...That's why I can talk normally to Jinzin. Because he isn't attacking when someone says something.

Whoops. 😂

Originally posted by Estacado
I know what happened. Still Wolverine has been Ko'd too many times by weaker guys then Namor so don't try to tell me that he will srug off his punches because that is bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Name them.. and then try to include under what circumstances.. cause I guarentee you that wolverine's taken punches from bricks and stayed concious far more times than the opposite.

Originally posted by jinzin
I could care less about an alternate reality wolverine...
So, you do care, is what you're saying?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Whoops. 😂

lol.. well it wasn't an attack per se' I was just stating my reaction to the use of the example.. not so much an outburst at rewmac himself...

Hey Cresh 😄 howya doin buddy?!?!?!?!?! been a while, nice to see ya again.

Originally posted by jinzin
Hey Cresh 😄 howya doin buddy?!?!?!?!?! been a while, nice to see ya again.
I'm doing okay I s'ppose. How are you?