Originally posted by Disappear
that was clever. i concede my argument, despite your complete lack of fact or your non-biased, out-of-the-blue, chickenshit interpretations of interviews, due entirely to you being clever.
Well thank you.
Storm in her Flesh body has at least shown the ability to destroy a Galaxy, maybe?
DP and Phoenix are two sides to the SAME coin--Rebirth and Destruction.--The laws of what??? NATURE
really, you needn't continue. i'm still blown far, far away by your cleverness. i can't seem to wrap my head around the idea that someone could have a misconception, focus in on one word as a part of a phrase, and then FIND that word in some other, well known medium and use it to display their wit. it's AMAZING. i'm flabbergasted, to be sure.
Originally posted by Disappear
really, you needn't continue. i'm still blown far, far away by your cleverness. i can't seem to wrap my head around the idea that someone could have a misconception, focus in on one word as a part of a phrase, and then FIND that word in some other, well known medium and use it to display their wit. it's AMAZING. i'm flabbergasted, to be sure.
I'm happy to help. 💃
Just know that the whole premise is ****ed.--Green Suite>>>>>>>>Dark Phoenix?? Nope.
One= all. Just differing facets of the primal forces of the universe.--Birth/rebirth and destruction.
Let's just say he was talking about Green suite. Look over that incarnation from that time on. It's STILL powerful. 😎
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Jean-Phoenix is his creation. 😎The writers wouldn't have anyhting without that.
Phoenix has limits in every incarnation.
I respect the creator's original vision. Everything after that is a mere interpretation of said vision, hit or miss.
As of now, Storm and Jean-Phoenix are approx =
I suspect youre one and the same as Energy World from Comicxfan forums. If that is the case then you'll be very familiar with Energy Worlds questions and Chris Claremonts answers:
http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/forums/showthread.php?t=6305&page=16&pp=20
Originally Posted by ENERGY_WORLD
Also could you consier giving Ororo superhuman durability as an upgrade, if/when you write for her again??It can come via being connected to the universal energies which give her material and spiritual sustanence. By being connected to these powerhouse energies, it will reinforce her physiology and psyche on an atomic level.
Dear Energy --
I appreciate that faith and confidence you place in me to convey such a request, but I'm afraid anything to do with Ororo is totally out of my hands. She's married to the Black Panther now and as I understand her position, anything that happens to her in the forseable future is subordinate to the needs and requirements of his life and title. I'm not even sure she has regular contact any longer with the X-Men.
Sorry I can't be of more help.
Chris Claremont
Chris Claremont may have created the Phoenix concept and the character Storm however they were created for Marvel and they are Marvels property to do with as they please. As illustrated here, Chris Claremont does NOT dictate continuity, Marvel does and if Marvel wanted to completely disregard all of Chris Claremonts ideas for Storm or Phoenix, then they could do so and we as readers would have to accept that.In fact the whole Dark Phoenix Saga and subsequent Phoenix retcon came about because of an editorial rejection of Claremonts ideas and an editorial imposed revision. Here we as debators abide by continuity, continuity is what Marvel says it is, not what one of its multitude of expendable writers wishes it to be. Understand and accept that.
At the time of that interviews writing Chris' words were true, the limited Green Phoenix and Storm were on par. Jean went on to become something very different to what that interview refers to therefore rendering its comments about Jean and Storm outdated and therefore irrelevant.
By your logic i could use comments regarding Pre retcon Beyonder to reflect the status of Beyonder now in the hierarchy. 😬
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I suspect youre one and the same as Energy World from Comicxfan forums. If that is the case then you'll be very familiar with Energy Worlds questions and Chris Claremonts answers:http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/forums/showthread.php?t=6305&page=16&pp=20
Chris Claremont may have created the Phoenix concept and the character Storm however they were created for Marvel and they are Marvels property to do with as they please. As illustrated here, Chris Claremont does NOT dictate continuity, Marvel does and if Marvel wanted to completely disregard all of Chris Claremonts ideas for Storm or Phoenix, then they could do so and we as readers would have to accept that.In fact the whole Dark Phoenix Saga and subsequent Phoenix retcon came about because of an editorial rejection of Claremonts ideas and an editorial imposed revision. Here we as debators abide by continuity, continuity is what Marvel says it is, not what one of its multitude of expendable writers wishes it to be. Understand and accept that.
At the time of that interviews writing Chris' words were true, the limited Green Phoenix and Storm were on par. Jean went on to become something very different to what that interview refers to therefore rendering its comments about Jean and Storm outdated and therefore irrelevant.
By your logic i could use comments regarding Pre retcon Beyonder to reflect the status of Beyonder now in the hierarchy. 😬
He never did truly answer me. 🙁
Originally posted by 2damnloud
He never did truly answer me. 🙁
Believev it or not Storms actually my favourite character. Most people assume its Phoenix because i'm always arguing about her, but thats because shes so misunderstood. Despite my love for the Storm character i would never overrate her or present a notion that can't be backed up fully by on panel evidence.
This notion that Storm is a match for Phoenix is ridiculous. Parallels were drawn between the two in Uncanny X-men 147 because Storm like Phoenix was corrupted by her power and was unleashing it without restraint. Not once did it equate them to each other in terms of power, parallels however were drawn between the two characters and the struggle they faced.
Chris Claremont equated the two at a point in time when Phoenix had self imposed restraints placed on her power after the M'kraan crsytal feat. She had just contained a multiversal power, what use would she be to a writer, how boring would it be for us to have a character of that level on the team, hence the reason they were introduced. That is the Phoenix he compared her to. That was the Phoenix that was in place at the time of the interview. Jeans status changed, therefore making that interview outdated and totally unrepresentative of the current status of the two characters.
Phoenix has eaten suns, is heralded as the power that gives the entire universe life, has thrashed Galactus many a time, has contained a multiversal power, has cut off a future reality from the timeline and carried it away in her hand, before materializing the remaining timeline in her hand demonstrating control at an atomic level of an entire universe.
Storms feats pale in comparison. Storms not even on Thors level as she'd said herself and as demonstrated most recently in Black Panther and yet you would truly have us believe she's on par with the avatar of the life force of all reality? Without the Phoenix Force there would be no Storm, without Storm Phoenix would get along just fine. 😬
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Chris Claremont equated the two at a point in time when Phoenix had self imposed restraints placed on her power after the M'kraan crsytal feat. She had just contained a multiversal power, what use would she be to a writer, how boring would it be for us to have a character of that level on the team, hence the reason they were introduced. That is the Phoenix he compared her to. That was the Phoenix that was in place at the time of the interview. Jeans status changed, therefore making that interview outdated and totally unrepresentative of the current status of the two characters.
Maybe that's why they/he didn't fully explore Storm.
