I still think Jack and Beckett were lovers but then Jack betrayed him...probably by sleeping with a woman so Beckett betrayed him by giving him that cargo because he would have known that Jack wouldn't deliver it.
Because burning a ship isn't good business, it's more like bearing a personal grudge...
Surreal;
Im not going to bite your head off or anything.
Don't get me wrong, at the end of the day i understand why she went with Will.
But look at it from sparrabeth perspective;
if the relationship/lust/whatever it was in the end was resolved in DMC, when why did we not really see much progression in their friendship until the very end?
Thats all im a little pissed about.
Compared to DMC, sparrabeth got no screen time.
Yes, i understand that this was because of willabeth and their story needed sorting so people could try and believe they belonged together at the end of the film.
(I say try and believe, because my little brother couldnt even manage that)
I do agree with your point that words are meaningless, however.
But the thing that itched away at me was that within the willabeth relationship, they were keeping things from eachother and not being able to trust eachother...and then suddenly its alright in the end and she just decides she wants to marry him on a boat??
Nope, not buying it.
sorry.
thats why im still saying that they should have stretched out AWE in 2 seprate movies Pirates 3 and Pirates 4 to better develop the relationships between Jack and Lizzie and Will and Liz!
I agree with T.Maria....they kept lying to each other...not being able to trust one another and then out of nowhere they are getting married! Same with Jack and Liz....she killed him and they save him and out of nowhere he's voting for her in the bretheren court....i would just have liked a moment where they each at least talked about it and forgave each other!!
I was also really looking forward to like Will confronting Jack and Liz about the Kiss @ the end of DMC! Or more Tension between Jack and Liz....i dont know but im just saying that something is missing in AWE and that is the Classic Sparrabeth Moments!!
"They should have made that a heck of a lot clearer with DMC dont you think?? I mean the majority people obviously didnt quite "get it" after watching DMC..a people's choice award..swarm after swarm of J/E fans
I think DMC was poorly written in that respect..very poorly written. It was never clear to an audience, this is coming from a film studies student who has been taught how to read a film, I'm not the only film studies student on this forum who read it that way. The majority did."-----------LovelyOne
I agree to a point. I think the writers and director wanted different things and so there was a lot of emphasis on Jack and Liz's progression, teasing us with the possibility that there was a love triangle. As T&T have said, by the end of DMC, the triangle is resolved. But I think their relationship progresses how it should.
Speaking of Will, the first clear explanation of what happened comes from Jack. He flat out tells everyone that Liz killed him. So in Will's mind, and rightly so, Jack's in the clear. Will's smart. He's figured the kiss was a distraction/goodbye. He does, however, confront Liz about it. She didn't tell him because she didn't want him to worry about it. Okay, so why would he confront Jack about it again? It seems like what was done was done. People are ready to move on.
So we go from hate to him voting for her. Now, I think Jack and Liz have a lot of screen time together. I've always thought they had more total than she and Will did. They aren't alone with each other as much, but there's not as much opportunity. They're not on his ship, getting to have private conversations. They have a mission to accomplish.
So, what I've been trying to figure out is the compass. We've learned by now that every time Liz holds it, it is pointing to the chest. A part of her wants Jack and I think she believes the compass to be pointing to him, which says a lot. But when Jack holds it...the writers have always said that Liz plays into his thoughts "to some degree." I wish they would expand on that, because I don't think they've ever said that Jack falls in love and I don't think he's suffering from unrequited love by the end of AWE. He seems perfectly happy with where he and Liz are and I think he loves her as a friend/sister. So if anyone has any logical hints about just how she is playing into his thoughts in DMC, let me know. My take is he did want her, but decided against it.
Originally posted by PirateDiva
thats why im still saying that they should have stretched out AWE in 2 seprate movies Pirates 3 and Pirates 4 to better develop the relationships between Jack and Lizzie and Will and Liz!I agree with T.Maria....they kept lying to each other...not being able to trust one another and then out of nowhere they are getting married! Same with Jack and Liz....she killed him and they save him and out of nowhere he's voting for her in the bretheren court....i would just have liked a moment where they each at least talked about it and forgave each other!!
I was also really looking forward to like Will confronting Jack and Liz about the Kiss @ the end of DMC! Or more Tension between Jack and Liz....i dont know but im just saying that something is missing in AWE and that is the Classic Sparrabeth Moments!!
And Liz left Jack onboard the Pearl to be left for dinner for the Kraken. I can see why Jack would be able to trust Elizabeth. 🙄
I watched AWE today, and I will say that I am particularly surprised at how Will and Elizabeth lied to each other. To say that their relationship appeared strained would be an understatement. That said, I still don't see any real reason why the Depp Fanbrigade delude themselves into thinking that there was anything between Jack and Elizabeth.
Hell, Davy Jones saw "true love" between Will and Liz. Not Jack and Liz.
Bravo! I agree completely with this post. Liz and Jack's relationship "matured" in the way it was supposed to in this final film. I love your thought process here! Right on in my opinion.
Originally posted by willofthewisp
Okay, I have to say, the relationship is resolved. According to T&T, it was resolved at the end of DMC. I'll always love sparrabeth, so I'm looking at the canon J/E relationship here. I think in DMC, people assumed they were an item. Beckett certainly did. He fishes for information from Liz in DMC and then from Jack in AWE. Neither person really reveals too much. But I think they both start to think about the possibilities. Jack's come across a woman who can beat him, who is gorgeous, smart, independent, and competent. Of course he's going to contemplate having a relationship with her. Liz is flattered by it and probably does toy with the idea of having him. So they banter, kind of explore what the other has to offer. T&T say Liz's kiss is to save Will AND it lets her slake her lust. Yes, she did lust after Jack. Who wouldn't? I'm engaged and I find him a sexy beast. But she slakes her lust there, meaning she gets it out of her system. That is the motivation behind the almost-kiss.Disclaimer: I want sparrabeth. I will always think it's better. This is the explanation of what actually happens.
So they have this almost-kiss and it's hot and both seem turned on by it, at least a little. But, Liz makes her decision. Jack respects it and is dazed, and I think he still thinks he can get out of it and give her a little slap on the wrist for outplaying him once again. But no. He dies.
Which brings us to her guilt. By this time, I think she's established a strong friendship with Jack and is in danger of losing it. So we set sail on our journey. I don't think romantic thoughts are in her head. She just wants him back in her life- alive-and hopes to God he won't hate her.
Which brings us to Jack. Well, his mind is everywhere. I'm sure of all the multiple Jacks running around one of them is thinking of taking an imaginary Liz right there on the deck. But he's dead, going nuts, and it's all her fault. Notice he doesn't look all that happy to see her once they reunite. But then a magic thing happens. It blows over. This relationship is too strong, and then the tragedy of Liz losing her dad seems to bring them to at least back to where they were.
It's a strong friendship. When he picks her as pirate king and she trades him for Will, they both know everything worked out how they wanted it. They can depend on one another and can work with one another. It's a more comfortable relationship that's more casual than it was and I think it's because all the romantic confusion is gone. Hasn't anyone here ever had a really great friend of the opposite sex? I think that's the closure of the relationship. The "it never would have worked between us" is an inside joke between them. It's something they can laugh about together. I personally would have preferred to see them at least hug, but hey, she's the Pirate King. He's going to come visit her a lot. It's not completely goodbye. I know, fellow sparrabethers, it's not the ending we hoped for. But appreciate a deep friendship for what it is. They went from strangers, to being forced to work together, to a fledgling friendship, to fliritng with romance, to almost wrecking it all, and they not only salvaged their relationship, but improved it. Talk about strong feelings. Besides, the Swann and the Sparrow are linked together, not only through each other but through Will.