Originally posted by Council#13
That's lightning resiestence won't help him much against Grievous! 😂Anyway, Grievous did beat Assaj and Durge simultaneously. That's got to count for something.
General Grievous is better then Asajj even later on, it is stated in Dark Rendezvous. Anyway, Grievous is better then Maul with sabers, any version of him, but i think Maul can kill him in a all out fight, or at least he would have a chance, didn't he use choke or grip in the comic where he destroyed the Black sun. He would have a chance of doing that, if he gets some distance between himself and GG, or in the beginning of the fight. Mace did it, i know Maul isn't as powerful as Mace, but he is a Darksider and a Sith Lord.
When people say that General Grievous is 'better' than Darth Maul 'with lightsabers', what exactly are you saying? That Grievous is a better swordsman? Or that he has more skill? I don't think so at all. General Grievous's true strength in battle lies in Count Dooku's indoctrinated use of 'fear and surprise' as well as his overwhelming strength and fury. As far as outright skill is concerned, I truthfully see none from Grievous. But that isn't to say he'd lose to Maul, just that Maul is more 'skilled' with a lightsaber.
Anyways, it depends. Grievous reminds me of a freight train or the Juggernaut. Little finesse or actual skill, but overwhelming strength, speed, and fury. Maul is a gifted swordsman and a supremely capable martial artist; and while he is certainly a demonic fighter in terms of strength and speed in his own right, he also has skill that corresponds with his amazing physical ability.
Strength-for-strength, Maul can't match Grievous, and would have to give ground. His reflexes would have to be augmented with the Force to match Grievous's, but it is forseeable. He also has the added advantage of the Force, and he is an experienced and cunning warrior.
I think it'd be a good fight, but I definately see it going either way.
Originally posted by Council#13
Are you agreeing that you think that Maul is better than ROTS Obi-Wan?I honestly think it depends on which General Grievous we're talking about, here. I think that the Clone Wars one would win, although it would be a tough fight. But if this were ROTS Grievous.... well, he would lose. I don't know how effective Maul's lightsaber staff would be against Grievous' four arms.
CW Grievous is ROTS Grievous. The fact of the matter is that Dooku told Grievous in the CW that in order to win he would near fear and intimidation on his side which he didn't have against Obi-Wan. Dooku WTFpwned CW Grievous while pointing out all of Grievous' mistakes in combat.
Maul > any Grievous
Originally posted by Gideon
When people say that General Grievous is 'better' than Darth Maul 'with lightsabers', what exactly are you saying? That Grievous is a better swordsman? Or that he has more skill? I don't think so at all. General Grievous's true strength in battle lies in Count Dooku's indoctrinated use of 'fear and surprise' as well as his overwhelming strength and fury. As far as outright skill is concerned, I truthfully see none from Grievous. But that isn't to say he'd lose to Maul, just that Maul is more 'skilled' with a lightsaber.Anyways, it depends. Grievous reminds me of a freight train or the Juggernaut. Little finesse or actual skill, but overwhelming strength, speed, and fury. Maul is a gifted swordsman and a supremely capable martial artist; and while he is certainly a demonic fighter in terms of strength and speed in his own right, he also has skill that corresponds with his amazing physical ability.
Strength-for-strength, Maul can't match Grievous, and would have to give ground. His reflexes would have to be augmented with the Force to match Grievous's, but it is forseeable. He also has the added advantage of the Force, and he is an experienced and cunning warrior.
I think it'd be a good fight, but I definately see it going either way.
He is a better swordsman then Maul, but i do not agree that he has no skill, that is just the way he fights, his style he uses. If you think about it, from a certain point of view, he is the most skilled. He has no Force talent and he is so good, one of the best of his time. Very few Jedi would be able to defeat him in saber combat. (Yoda, Anakin, Obi-Wan, Mace, maybe Cin Drallig, i think thats all of them, maybe i forgot someone.).
General Grievous is better then Asajj even later on, it is stated in Dark Rendezvous.
CW Grievous is ROTS Grievous.
The fact of the matter is that Dooku told Grievous in the CW that in order to win he would near fear and intimidation on his side which he didn't have against Obi-Wan. Dooku WTFpwned CW Grievous while pointing out all of Grievous' mistakes in combat.
Originally posted by darthsith19
Wrong, we do not know how long Dooku was fighting Grievous in the cartoon before he was able to defeat him. In LOE Dooku admits that in sparring sessions he is often "hard-pressed to defeat the General". It is obvious that the cough weakened Grievous - he goes from lclose to Dooku and putting up a decent fight against Mace to losing 2 hands to Kenobi in 30 some seconds. I know Kenobi uses Soresu, which s a big help, but it's not that huge a help that Kenobi would be able to beat Grievous so much more easily than Mace did.
Dooku isn't trying to kill Grievous. Dooku named off Jedi that Dooku KNEW Grievous wouldn't be able to defeat and among them was Obi-Wan Kenobi. Grievous could dislocate his shoulders and split his arms to give himself four arms, and could use his feet as one would use hands. His unorthodox moves mainly involved misdirection with his many limbs, something only the most experienced and talented of Jedi could withstand. Much of this misdirection involved releasing a lightsaber from one limb and catching it with another, sometimes even while two other limbs are performing the same trick. The opponent, focused on limbs which are no longer dangerous, was then struck. In addition, his hands and torso are able to spin in a 360 degree motion. A Jedi master of offensive lightsaber training could only last so long against the General's unpredictable style of combat. The Clone Wars animated series also clearly displayed the anxiety Grievous creates for the Jedi both with his stealth tactics and relentlessness, unforgiving technique with a lightsaber.
Originally posted by kamhal
No... That is what i call an irony... I hope you have this linguistic resource in english because it's the second time i use it and people don't understand it...
Are you sure that's irony? 😬
Originally posted by darthsith19
Yeah, but remember, that was EU Grievous, and so far nobody has stated that Maul could beat EU Grievous, plus Durge was only defeated, he didn't die, and it was Asajj during the beginning of the Clone Wars when she wasn't so strong.
The Cestus Deception was set at around the beginning of the Clone Wars (6 months in) and Assaj managed to defeat Kit Fisto.
The Cestus Deception was set at around the beginning of the Clone Wars (6 months in) and Assaj managed to defeat Kit Fisto.
Dooku isn't trying to kill Grievous.
Dooku named off Jedi that Dooku KNEW Grievous wouldn't be able to defeat and among them was Obi-Wan Kenobi.
Grievous could dislocate his shoulders and split his arms to give himself four arms, and could use his feet as one would use hands. His unorthodox moves mainly involved misdirection with his many limbs, something only the most experienced and talented of Jedi could withstand. Much of this misdirection involved releasing a lightsaber from one limb and catching it with another, sometimes even while two other limbs are performing the same trick. The opponent, focused on limbs which are no longer dangerous, was then struck. In addition, his hands and torso are able to spin in a 360 degree motion. A Jedi master of offensive lightsaber training could only last so long against the General's unpredictable style of combat. The Clone Wars animated series also clearly displayed the anxiety Grievous creates for the Jedi both with his stealth tactics and relentlessness, unforgiving technique with a lightsaber.
Originally posted by darthsith19
No, it was a year in. Most of what Asajj learned from Dooku was likely taught to her before that, in the first few months of the war, before she was dispatched to fight a lot.
Really? A full year? My mistake.
Originally posted by ESB -1138
CW Grievous is ROTS Grievous. The fact of the matter is that Dooku told Grievous in the CW that in order to win he would near fear and intimidation on his side which he didn't have against Obi-Wan. Dooku WTFpwned CW Grievous while pointing out all of Grievous' mistakes in combat.Maul > any Grievous
When did he tell Grievous any of these things? And in Labyrinth of Evil, Dooku admits that at times he was "hard pressed" to beat Grievous and even kept some 'helpful' hints to himself "just in case."
It is stated in LoE that grievous was better than maul and grievous is just as athletic and plus his knowledge of all 7 forms puts maul to shame and even with the force (wich by the way is not mauls forte) maul wouldn't have the time to use it with grievous in his grill
his jedi kills is about 29 plus one dark jedi
Mauls physical prowress is almost negated by grievous's cybernetic implants and four arms
Gievous's kills are tallied at 29 jedi, 1 dark jedi
I need to go get my book for the exact quote but and i will but off hand i remember dooku saying that grievous was the best apprentice he'd ever trained using the 1<2<3=3>1 then in theory....
dooku>maul
dooku trained grievous
grievous>maul
but i will get the exact quote give me some time