Superman runs the Herald Gauntlet

Originally posted by His Airness
But claiming it was a clone with no evidence suggesting such and idea would be complete speculation. Until otherwise notified, as PISafied as it may have been, Thor one shotted DD.

Claiming it was the REAL Doomsday is just as much speculation.

Some evidence suggesting it wasn't the real Doomsday: Superman pwned Thor in three pages, yet Thor one-shotted DD. Hmm...

Originally posted by Newjak
How did I lie 😬

Your claim that Thor called Superman "inferior" is/was a lie. If anything at all, Superman was the one who implied Thor was inferior.

Originally posted by Newjak
The fact is that you completely left out a portion of the fight the beginning.

First Supes uses his speed to avoid one hammer blow. Then he hits Thor while flying. Then we see two panels where they exchange fists. Then we see Superman getting knocked though trees. Yes it could have been a blast but seeing as the Hammer was completely awash in Energy in the entire fight and leaving energy trails suggests otherwise. It doesn't even matter. It was still the only straight up fight they had and it ended with Superman on his back 😬

So you're not denying it was an energy blast. 🙂

The beginning of the fight is irrelevant at this point. They each traded blows, but Superman ended up being blasted out the window by Thor.

Originally posted by Newjak
Also it obviously was a speech if it took two speech bubbles to contain Thor's words and the fact that Supes Speech Bubble almost took up a third of the panel says that a lot of words were said. Meaning Thor had plenty of time to blast Superman again when he was on his back.

ZOMG!!! TWO whole speech bubbles!!! 🙄

All he said was something to the effect of "the measure of a man or god is not how much strength he has, but what he does with it." Wow. That's not a "speech" by any means. More like a comment.

Besides, when Thor was speaking, he was in no position to attack in the first place. He was flying towards Supes, and before he even approached him was when Thor was talking. 😬

Originally posted by Newjak
And you also fail to mention that Thor had to wade through full on Heat Vision to even get to Supes. So Supes cheap Shotted Thor when they were talking. Was Thor stupid for giving Superman the chance to do it yes but it was still a cheap shot. Heck Thor even calls him jackal implying him a coward when he hit him with Heat vision.

It wasn't a cheap shot by any means. It's not like Superman cut off Thor in the middle of his dialogue with the heat vision. Supes administered the hv AFTER he talked to Thor.

Superman actually blasted Thor before Thor could do anything else to Supes.

Thor was the first one who used energy attacks, Supes was just returning the favor. 🙂

I guess every time Superman uses heat vision in a fight, it's cheap. 😆

Bullshit.

Originally posted by Newjak
So Thor had already taken a few good shots from Superman and then has to power through a full dose of Heat Vison. Waded through Supes Heat Vision then got hit. Seems to me Superman would have fallen in a similar scenario. 😉

Thor got his ass knocked the f*ck out in three pages of combat. It seems you're having a little bit of trouble swallowing that fact.

Superman won, and there was absolutely nothing cheap about it. Period.

Originally posted by Newjak
By the way why would it have to be a Doomsday clone because you want it to be a Doomsday clone. Did Doomsday even have clones at this time? Either way in a crossover I doubt they would have used a clone. So since there is no evidence to the contrary Thor one Shotted Doomsday 313

Yes, Doomsday had clones WAY before this came out.

There's no evidence to suggest it was the real thing either.

Originally posted by batdude123

Yes, Doomsday had clones WAY before this came out.

There's no evidence to suggest it was the real thing either.

And Superman was definately hit with magic lightning type of blast. He was on the recieving end of one, for sure.

Originally posted by Juntai
And Superman was definately hit with magic lightning type of blast. He was on the recieving end of one, for sure.

Exactly. It's down right facetious to suggest otherwise.

He did he said your strong but the measure of strength isn't enough seems like eh called him inferior to me 313

I'm saying that his hammer was awash with energy the entire fight and leaving trails of energy. Why would that one instance be any different 😉

Yes on top of what Superman said I would think Thor had quite a few good moments there to attack.

And it was cheap in that Superman attacked first when Thor was talking to him. Unless if I knock you down and talk to you then you shoot me as we are talking isn't a cheap shot anymore [cs]313[/csm]

And if Thor did use an energy blast it was when they were in a constant battle and not talking.

By the way if you do not think Thor was in position to attack then you truly need to read this. When he started to talk he was standing ten feet away and had his hammer above his head swirly it around with lighting coming off. Thor was in perfect position to attack Superman with Energy Blasts or even hammer throw. You trying to say Thor was in no position to attack is flat out wrong.

And if it wasn't a cheap shot why would Thor call him a Jackal for doing it 313

So what were your points again that Supes didn't cheap shot Thor when Thor instead of blasting Supes decided to talk to him. Was it Stupid by Thor yes does it mean Thor could have ended the fight then and there yes it does. 313

By the way with the Doomsday thing it was a crossover and there was no mention of it being a clone therefore until you can prove it was a clone you can not assume it was one. And seeing as we do not see Doomsday leave the field of battle we can only assume Doomsday was KOed. And seeing as all the villains were current then we can only assume it was only current Doomsday of the time. Unless you can prove otherwise that is how it went down. So Thor Koed Doomsday in one shot.

You can not claim good things for Superman cal lthe rest of the Comics into question.

So as of right now.

Thor took Superman's best attacks and was only Koed for a few moments and was back up in about a page or two. So Supes best wasn't even enough to keep Thor down.

Thor on the other hand obviously didn't use his best attacks in that fight and proved to be Superman Superior in H2H he then goes unto beat Doomsday while Superman has to have Vision's help to survive Radioactive Man 😉

That doesn't say much for Superman now does it 313

Originally posted by batdude123
Exactly. It's down right facetious to suggest otherwise.

😆 😆

Originally posted by Juntai
😆 😆

Trying to say it was a Doomsday Clone and that it wasn't a KO where is the evidence Juntai.

At least I can back everything up you o nthe other hand are only saying things.

By the way what are you laughing at the fact that Thor could have godblasted Superman into the next dimension when Superman was on his back or that the only straight fight they had ended up with Superman on his back

Which is it because I was laughing at how pathetic Superman's abilities were as well 313

Originally posted by Newjak
I could laugh at your post as well.

Trying to say it was a Doomsday Clone and that it wasn't a KO where is the evidence Juntai.

At least I can back everything up you o nthe other hand are only saying things.

By the way what are you laughing at the fact that Thor could have godblasted Superman into the next dimension when Superman was on his [b]back or that the only straight fight they had ended up with Superman on his back

Which is it because I was laughing at how pathetic Superman's abilities were as well 313 [/B]

I can prove Doomsday wasn't unconscious, just as easily as you can prove he was - not at all. It's speculation. Thor HIT Doomsday, that's all you got.

On Panel Supes Knocked out Thor.
Nowhere on panel, did Thor KO supes or Doomsday.

Originally posted by Newjak
He did he said your strong but the measure of strength isn't enough seems like eh called him inferior to me 313

Newjak, he didn't even say his strength wasn't enough.

Now, when Superman caught Thor's hammer and Thor commented on how not even the mightiest beings in the nine worlds of Asgard have accomplished something like that, Supes said "sorry to... disappoint... but in... my world, it looks like... the dials... GO UP TO ELEVEN!!"

THAT is more like a declaration of inferiority, jak.

Originally posted by Newjak
I'm saying that his hammer was awash with energy the entire fight and leaving trails of energy. Why would that one instance be any different 😉

Your point? When he hits someone with Mjolnir, lightning doesn't blast them backwards which is exactly what happened to Superman. Even the onomatopoeia agrees with me, suggesting it was a lightning blast.

Originally posted by Newjak
Yes on top of what Superman said I would think Thor had quite a few good moments there to attack.

So did Superman (obviously). Superman just actually capitalized on the situation.

Originally posted by Newjak
And it was cheap in that Superman attacked first when Thor was talking to him. Unless if I knock you down and talk to you then you shoot me as we are talking isn't a cheap shot anymore

😆

Newjak, there's always dialogue in comic book fights. It happens in juxtaposition with the actual combat itself. Besides, Superman used heat vision AFTER both he and Thor were done talking. I can't understand why you don't get that when it's blatantly clear on the second page of the fight. THOR WAS NOT TALKING WHEN SUPERMAN USED HEAT VISION.

The only way this can be considered cheap is if you consider every single fight to ever happen in comic books cheap. There's ALWAYS dialogue between two combatants. This was no different. Cheap would be if Thor turned his back, and Clark hit him with the hv then. However, that didn't happen and it wasn't cheap by any means.

Originally posted by Newjak
And if Thor did use an energy blast it was when they were in a constant battle and not talking.

Yeah, except there was dialogue on the first page of the fight. Superman could've been talking up a storm when Thor blasted him for all we know.

Originally posted by Newjak
By the way if you do not think Thor was in position to attack then you truly need to read this. When he started to talk he was standing ten feet away and had his hammer above his head swirly it around with lighting coming off. Thor was in perfect position to attack Superman with Energy Blasts or even hammer throw. You trying to say Thor was in no position to attack is flat out wrong.

Looked to me like Thor was approaching and getting ready to attack him before Supes used the heat vision.

Originally posted by Newjak
And if it wasn't a cheap shot why would Thor call him a Jackal for doing it 313

Because Thor hates losing, so he'll say anything as an excuse? Who knows. There's nothing cheap about Superman using heat vision in the heart of battle.

Originally posted by Newjak
So what were your points again that Supes didn't cheap shot Thor when Thor instead of blasting Supes decided to talk to him. Was it Stupid by Thor yes does it mean Thor could have ended the fight then and there yes it does.

Your point? As soon as Thor came into sight, Superman could have blasted the hell out of him with heat vision without having to listen to what Thor was saying.

That ridiculous logic goes both ways, jak. 🙄

Originally posted by Newjak
By the way with the Doomsday thing it was a crossover and there was no mention of it being a clone therefore until you can prove it was a clone you can not assume it was one. And seeing as we do not see Doomsday leave the field of battle we can only assume Doomsday was KOed. And seeing as all the villains were current then we can only assume it was only current Doomsday of the time. Unless you can prove otherwise that is how it went down. So Thor Koed Doomsday in one shot.

You can not claim good things for Superman cal lthe rest of the Comics into question.

What the hell is that shit? Because we don't see Doomsday after Thor hits him, we can safely assume he was knocked out? Logical fallacy to the nth degree.

Originally posted by Newjak
Thor took Superman's best attacks and was only Koed for a few moments and was back up in about a page or two. So Supes best wasn't even enough to keep Thor down.

Right, because if Superman punches and uses heat vision, we know he's going all out. 😆

If Superman was going all out, he'd be utilizing his speed and the fight would've lasted a little longer than Thor could've said "I AM GETTING THY ASS KICKED BY SUPERMAN!!!"

And Supes STILL won, regardless of whatever rant you feel like going on. It doesn't change that fact.

Originally posted by Newjak
Thor on the other hand obviously didn't use his best attacks in that fight and proved to be Superman Superior in H2H he then goes unto beat Doomsday while Superman has to have Vision's help to survive Radioactive Man 😉

How was he Superman's superior in H2H? Superman avoided a hammer strike from Thor, then landed a punch. After that, they traded shots, but Thor had to resort to an energy blast to get Superman away from him.

So, I ask again, how does that make Thor better in H2H? If anything, it shows that Thor knew he was going to get his ass handed to him if he kept on going toe to toe with Superman.

Originally posted by Newjak
That doesn't say much for Superman now does it 313

It shows Superman>Thor. 👆

Except Thor had just finished going through a full dose of HV. If you shoot me with a machine gun and I manage to get close and then you punch me it wasn't just the punch that took me down 😉

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/2360/aj0235pd3.jpg
And look at that trail of energy coming off of his hammer I guess Thor was blasting then as well doped

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/9817/aj0236rl5.jpg
Yes but you know the difference between then and most fights were. The People are actually doing something like throwing a punch or shooting energy they were just talking 😕

Heck there were even pauses in Thor's Speech notice the extra dots 😉

Also notice how Thor has a straight line of sight on Superman seems to me if Thor was blasting Superman he would have done it again there when Superman was helpless

Oh wait energy is coming off of his hammer again so I guess he is vin

I also say look at Superman's face does that look like the face of someone holding back 😛

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/4621/aj0237au7.jpg

Thor sounds angry I wonder why could it be that he just got cheap shotted I think so and the Heat Vision still wasn't enough to put him down.

Notice the energy trails flying off the hammer again once again Thor just keeps blasting I guess 😛

So I guess Superman talking to Thor then blasting him isn't a cheap shot anymore especially since there isn't any proof that Thor actuall blasted him.

So let me get this straight Superman not using Superspeed means that Superman was holding back that seems kind of retarded for you to say. Superman did use his speed and it got him on his back 😕

By the way batdude before you get any more bad information of Juntai it was the current Doomsday and Thor did Knock him out. Why because it actually wasn't the spatial anomaly bringing the Villains there it was Krona.

And if you look at all the other Villians you notice that they were all current.

So we see normal Thor knock Doomsday off of his feat and then the next time we see Thor there is no Doomsday and the Heroes were KOing villains left and right Doomsday just didn't measure up to the god of thunder.

I guess when the Universe is on the line Thor's dials go up to 13 seeing as he did something even Superman couldn't vin[/cam]

Oh and just one more thing BD I don't know why you are defending this so much because you do know Batman admits Ironman did something that even Batman wasn't smart enough to do [csm]doped

The point is that the crossover can not be used because a lot of BS was going on. Thor one shotting Doomsday Captain Marvel beating Green Lantern Hal. Yellowjacket knocking around Wonder Woman. You see what I mean

Edit: By the way BD if you want to defend that as Cannon so much you do know Batman admitted Ironman was smarter than him 😈

Versatility Thor>>>>>superman
Power Thor>> superman
Strength Thor=Superman, I have never seen thor struggle to accomplish any feat so we dont know who is stronger. Now if thor move a planet under his own power then i would consider him stronger than superman since superman need help to move a moon and was still straining. I honestly think that Thor is stronger than superman since beta ray bill and thor are equal and brb has destroyed a planet under his own strength and I cant see superman even coming close to doing anything like that.

Fighting ability Thor>>>>Superman
Speed Superman>>Thor
Enemies Thor>superman

What people fail to understand is that even though Thor has all of these advantages over superman the thing that really changes the outcome of anything between thor and superman is Thor has complete control over magic.

The thor and superman fight isnt cannon. If it is then venom>>>>superman and doomsday.

Originally posted by carver9
Versatility Thor>>>>>superman

What people fail to understand is that even though Thor has all of these advantages over superman the thing that really changes the outcome of anything between thor and superman is Thor has complete control over magic.

Since Superman is every bit as powerful as Thor, is smarter than Thor, is the more tactical fighter than Thor, is clearly and blatantly STRONGER than Thor, is far faster than Thor, and Supe[rman is not anywhere near as vulnerable to magic to the point where Thor's attacks are automatic win factors.

Originally posted by carver9
The thor and superman fight isnt cannon.

If it is then venom>>>>superman and doomsday.

Originally posted by panthergod
except that it is canon'

this is more marvel fanboy delusional propaganda.

And Spider-Man, Venom's inferior at the time, >>Thor and Silver Surfer.

Well i guess you agree with me. Venom is over superman since he did whip superman a** with no problem and quiet easily. There was no kryptonite or red sunlight around blocking his powers and after the beat down superman said that venom was one of the most powerful villians that he has ever faced. 😆

By that scenerio Wolverine >> superman, Juggernaut>>>>superman since juggernaut did do what superman couldnt do and that was beat venom. So you said it happened and it is cannon

Originally posted by panthergod
Thor is more cveratile but not anywhere near as much as you wish he was.

Good thing Superman has done shit FAR above destroying a mere planet, such has containing a solar ystem destroying black hole with one hand and warping space/time with his punches. while fighting a fully powered Earth 2 Superman, who shattered dimensional bariers while weakened.

Superman matched the Earth-2 Superman, beat the shit out of Darkseid, shattered Wonder Woman's Aegis Bracelet'(on par with shattering Captain America's sheild, fra nkly), and caught Thor's all out Mjolnir strike with one hand. Superman has PROVEN himself to be stronger than Thor. Period.

Sheer insanity.

Thor has NEVEr been more tacticially formidable as Superman. Superman is a super genius and an excellent tactician, and Thor is a noted clod and bruisier despite the fact thatb he has one of the most veratile powersets in comics. Thor is NOWHERE near a intelligent as Supermna is when it mcomes ton using his powerset intelligently in combat.

Thor is more fallible and less effective than Superman, sure. He certainly isn';t the hero that Superman is.

Since Superman is every bit as powerful as Thor, is smarter than Thor, is the more tactical fighter than Thor, is clearly and blatantly STRONGER than Thor, is far faster than Thor, and Supe[rman is not anywhere near as vulnerable to magic to the point where Thor's attacks are automatic win factors.

When I see superman destroy a planet than i would consider him stronger than thor, until then my answer stays. During the superman and doomsday battle they didnt do nothing but break some windows and they were going all out but when beta ray bill and star d was fighting beta ray bill destroyed a planet with one hit. Planet>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>windows. Im glad that you brought the earth 2 and earth 1 superman fight up since when they were fighting it wasnt doing nothing but destroying pieces of the street.

Like I said before sentry has held the cosmic cube but struggled against a shield carrier. And all of these strength feats that you named me means jack sh** since superman couldnt even move a planet or better yet a moon by himself. He needed wonder woman and martian manhunter help each time and was struggling while doing it. So throw all of them feats out of the window. Now Im going to name all of the people that I know that have destroyed a planet with there hands. Thor, gladiator, beta ray bill, champion, thanos, has superman came close to doing anything like that, hell no. The closest thing that i have seen him do was fly through a moon but nova can do that.

You havent told me anything that would even make me think that superman is stronger than thor. I know for a fact during the superman and hulk confrontation, superman admitted himself that hulk was stronger than him when hulk tossed him out of space.

Get my words right. I said that thor is a better fighter I didnt say that thor was smarter than superman because we both know the answer to that. Thor has been fighting 1000's of years, he is by far the better fighter.

Thor is faaar more powerful than superman. When I see superman bfr someone with the wave of his hand to another dimension, then you call me. When I see superman out put enough energy that it makes someone on galactus level flee then he is more powerful. When I see supeman damage something in the power range of a celestial with enough force that was stated to destroyed a small sun then he is more powerful. When I see superman take away someone powers by twirling a hammer then he is more powerful. Superman aint even close to the power that thor has put out. When I see superman beat or damage someone that has durability on the level of the destroyer under his own power than i would consider him more powerful.

Superman shouldnt ever beat thor in my opinion (if thor uses his powers right). Thor has so many ways that he could beat superman that its rediculous.

Originally posted by carver9
Well i guess you agree with me. Venom is over superman since he did whip superman a** with no problem and quiet easily. There was no kryptonite or red sunlight around blocking his powers and after the beat down superman said that venom was one of the most powerful villians that he has ever faced. 😆

Cool.

So since
soder-man already beat the shit out of Thor and had The Silver Surfer fighting for his life against him, Superman STILL comes out looking superior, as Venom is superior to Spider-man as he was then.

Nice try, though.

By that scenerio Wolverine >> superman, Juggernaut>>>>superman since juggernaut did do what superman couldnt do and that was beat venom. So you said it happened and it is cannon

Whatever delusional fanboy trash you wasnt to delude yourself withg, kid, I'll keep laughing at your weak , cowardly attempts to avoid the fact that Superman is at LEAST on par with your preffered Marvel top tiers.

Superman beat Thor's ass and definatively outmuscled him, and NOTHING you can atempt to bring up will ever change that, hypocrite.

Originally posted by panthergod
Cool.

So since
soder-man already beat the shit out of Thor and had The Silver Surfer fighting for his life against him, Superman STILL comes out looking superior, as Venom is superior to Spider-man as he was then.

Nice try, though.

And since Thor and Surfer both got rocked by Spider-man--Venom's inferior--, by your laughably pathetic fanboy logic Wolverine trumps Thor and Surfer as well.

Whatever delusional fanboy trash you wasnt to delude yourself withg, kid, I'll keep laughing at your weak , cowardly attempts to avoid the fact that Superman is at LEAST on par with your preffered Marvel top tiers.

Superman beat Thor's ass and definatively outmuscled him, and NOTHING you can atempt to bring up will ever change that, hypocrite.

What i can bring up is that dc wont let there icon character get there a** whipped by someone who isnt a cash crop for marvel. Like im going to continue to say since your using that logic, Thor>>>doomsday, since he did one shot him and venom>>>>>superman since he beat superman without breaking a sweat and laughed at superman punches.

Lets see what wizard thinks of superman and thor.
http://www.silver-surfer.us/Top10list/Top10List.htm

Originally posted by carver9
When I see superman destroy a planet than i would consider him stronger than thor, until then my answer stays. During the superman and doomsday battle they didnt do nothing but break some windows and they were going all out but when beta ray bill and star d was fighting beta ray bill destroyed a planet with one hit.

Name a single instance where Thor or Bill ever destroyed the Earth during a fight.

Meanwhile, Superman has been shown shattering the bariers of space and time which DESTROY breaking a mere physical object like a planet.

Oh yeah, and Dos, was a MUCH less powerful Superman.

Step your knpwledge up. maybe then you'll be up to date with info provided in 1994.

Planet>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>windows. Im glad that you brought the earth 2 and earth 1 superman fight up since when they were fighting it wasnt doing nothing but destroying pieces of the street.

Shattering dimensional barriers>>>shattering planet.

Like I said before sentry has held the cosmic cube but struggled against a shield carrier. And all of these strength feats that you named me means jack sh** since superman couldnt even move a planet or better yet a moon by himself. He needed wonder woman and martian manhunter help each time and was struggling while doing it. So throw all of them feats out of the window. Now Im going to name all of the people that I know that have destroyed a planet with there hands. Thor, gladiator, beta ray bill, champion, thanos, has superman came close to doing anything like that, hell no. The closest thing that i have seen him do was fly through a moon but nova can do that.

Like most marvel fanboy ignoramus' , you attempt to act as if you know ANYTHING about what Superman has done. it'd be amusing if it wasn't so pathetic.

Oh, yeah, Superman held a solar system destroying black hole with ONE hand.

Destroying a mere planet? don't make me laugh.

You want to act as if Superman moving the moon with help is a bad thing?

LMAO.

Hercules, Thor's proven equal, could barely move manhatan across water. Thor sruggled with holding up a single building. Herc, Bill, and other like Vision and She Hulk were needed to topple a sky scraper sized portal.

don't you DARE try to act as if moving a moon is un impresisve, when it is MORE impressive than anything Thor has done ofr strength.

Thor has NEVER destroyed a planet with his pure strength, for the record. EVER.

he's too busy gettng knocked out by bulelts to the head.

You havent told me anything that would even make me think that superman is stronger than thor. I know for a fact during the superman and hulk confrontation, superman admitted himself that hulk was stronger than him when hulk tossed him out of space. [

lol.

Next.

Get my words right. I said that thor is a better fighter I didnt say that thor was smarter than superman because we both know the answer to that. Thor has been fighting 1000's of years, he is by far the better fighter.

Superman has stalemated King Angels who has fougt batles for billions of years.

Thor is more of a warrior, but he has never been more effective and tactical.

Thor is faaar more powerful than superman. When I see superman bfr someone with the wave of his hand to another dimension, then you call me. When I see superman out put enough energy that it makes someone on galactus level flee then he is more powerful. When I see supeman damage something in the power range of a celestial with enough force that was stated to destroyed a small sun then he is more powerful. When I see superman take away someone powers by twirling a hammer then he is more powerful. Superman aint even close to the power that thor has put out. When I see superman beat or damage someone that has durability on the level of the destroyer under his own power than i would consider him more powerful.

Superman is EASILY in the same class of power as Thor. EASILY.

Thor's advantage is that he is more versatile He is NOT more powerful, and any claim to the contrary is based on nothing but either complete ignorance or willing, transparent, and ridiculous denial or Superman's proven power levels.

Superman shouldnt ever beat thor in my opinion (if thor uses his powers right). Thor has so many ways that he could beat superman that its rediculous. [/B]

For those of us with some sort of a grasp of reality, the fact that Superman and Thor are on the SAME level is obvious,