Originally posted by panthergod
IRRELVANT AND MEANINGLESS COMPARISON.Name a single instance where Thor or Bill ever destroyed the Earth during a fight.
Meanwhile, Superman has been shown shattering the bariers of space and time which DESTROY breaking a mere physical object like a planet.
Oh yeah, and Dos, was a MUCH less powerful Superman.
Step your knpwledge up. maybe then you'll be up to date with info provided in 1994.
A lie. they were breaking yo SPACE AND TIME, Shattering the barrier between realities.
Shattering dimensional barriers>>>shattering planet.
Like most marvel fanboy ignoramus' , you attempt to act as if you know ANYTHING about what Superman has done. it'd be amusing if it wasn't so pathetic.
Oh, yeah, Superman held a solar system destroying black hole with ONE hand.
Destroying a mere planet? don't make me laugh.
You want to act as if Superman moving the moon with help is a bad thing?
LMAO.
Hercules, Thor's proven equal, could barely move manhatan across water. Thor sruggled with holding up a single building. Herc, Bill, and other like Vision and She Hulk were needed to topple a sky scraper sized portal.
don't you DARE try to act as if moving a moon is un impresisve, when it is MORE impressive than anything Thor has done ofr strength.
Thor has NEVER destroyed a planet with his pure strength, for the record. EVER.
he's too busy gettng knocked out by bulelts to the head.
You mean, the Byrne era level Superman, who is much weaker than the current version.
lol.
Next.
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Superman has stalemated King Angels who has fougt batles for billions of years.
Thor is more of a warrior, but he has never been more effective and tactical.
Since Superman has sent people through space/time with his punches, withstood and countered Skyfather level attacks, withstood and deflected the Omega Effect, seared together tears in the fabric of reality with HV, punched around Dominus, a Skyfather level being who created realities, moved the Earth-Moon system, absorbed enough energy to destroy half a galaxy, contained a dimensonal breach, with an electromagnetic field, has overcomes stopped time through pure speed, has shattered Wonder Woman's Aegis Bracelet's(EASILY on par with the Destroyer) with one punch while all out, etc. i could go on.
Superman is EASILY in the same class of power as Thor. EASILY.
Thor's advantage is that he is more versatile He is NOT more powerful, and any claim to the contrary is based on nothing but either complete ignorance or willing, transparent, and ridiculous denial or Superman's proven power levels.
Of course you would think that, just like a true rabid fanboy Thorbag.
For those of us with some sort of a grasp of reality, the fact that Superman and Thor are on the SAME level is obvious,
I see that my words got to you. Honestly superman is a good fight for thor and he could take some wins. BUT what you fail to realize is that superman powers are common. He is on the power list as thor. Thor IS more versatile than superman. Thor could be more versatile than almost anyone on the jla team. I bet youre one of those people that think that superman is on herald level when he isnt. When superman matter manipulate. Create life, etc... then I would consider him herald. Superman has the basic powers. He is a powerful being but he isnt herald powerful.
When galactus gave him a taste of the power cosmic he stated that he never felt power like that in his life. Superman was amazed at the little things that he saw the surfer do. Do i have to keep posting this http://www.silver-surfer.us/Top10list/Top10List.htm to show you what writers think about superman and thor. By the way thor isnt my favorite characters, my favorite is wolverine, juggernaut, superman (i own a lot of his books.) and thats about it. Im beginning to like thor since i have been cheating, going to book stores reading the books for free.
Answer this, why bring up punching through barriers (which i dont think that he ever done) or turning the wheels when superman cant move a moon. Im not saying that that is a bad feat but your bringing up superman doing one thing when he cant do something that is least powerful. I think that feat with him turning the wheel wont be a feat that he would ever do again. That was a 1 time deal and by the way superman had a time to cause damage to an environment when he was fighting gog but nothing happened. beta ray bill destroyed an entire planet. Superman never showed the strength to do that. I dont think that to many people in dc universe has done a feat like that in superman range of power. If they have please show me. 😮💨
Originally posted by long pig
D.C.That's his greatest power. Punching things.
His other powers are sub-standard to most heralds.
He also has matter manipulation, reality warping, T-Vo, intellect and intelligence beyond any herald on this list, and his Heat vision which is extremely powerful and versatile.
Also he has his absolute zero breath, as well as his vibration which has saved the DC omniverse before.
Originally posted by Board Walker
He also has matter manipulation, reality warping, T-Vo, intellect and intelligence beyond any herald on this list, and his Heat vision which is extremely powerful and versatile.Also he has his absolute zero breath, as well as his vibration which has saved the DC omniverse before.
I would love to see this matter manipulation, reality warping, see the tvo used more than once, hes smart but far from intellegent, reed richard and doctor doom is intellegent and we already know about the heat vision. Heralds wouldnt consider superman heat vision nothing but a nuicance.
Heralds powers>>>>anything superman has in his arsenal.
Superman main combat powers are super strength, speed, heat vision, ice breath, and durability. Thats it. That all he use in combat. I dont even want to name everything that the surfer, thor, brb, etc... use during combat because Ill be naming for days. Like I said superman has the basic powers. Heralds are so much more but you just have some out there that just dont know how to use there powers right and if they ever had a confrontation with superman he would school them but almost any herald, if using there powers right they could take superman almost every time.
Originally posted by Newjak
Except Thor had just finished going through a full dose of HV. If you shoot me with a machine gun and I manage to get close and then you punch me it wasn't just the punch that took me down
Yeah, except Thor admitted nobody in Asgard was capable of something like that. It implied he still has his full “oomph,” so to speak, behind Mjolnir when he was trying to hit Superman.
Either that, or Thor severely underestimates his abilities. crylaugh That was sarcasm, just in case you didn’t get it. 😐
Originally posted by Newjak
And look at that trail of energy coming off of his hammer I guess Thor was blasting then as well
Please Newjak, are you seriously blind? It was clearly an energy blast that made him fly out the window. The only way to make that even more obvious would be if Kurt Busiek actually circled the blast and said in parenthesis “THIS IS A LIGHTNING BLAST THOR JUST HIT SUPERMAN WITH!!!” 🙄
Some more evidence to suggest it was an energy blast: Thor was whirling around Mjolnir over his head with lightning coming off of him in all directions RIGHT after Superman crashed into the tree. How does that not scream “I just hit you with an energy blast?”
Originally posted by Newjak
Yes but you know the difference between then and most fights were. The People are actually doing something like throwing a punch or shooting energy they were just talking
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Damn, you’re the only person who would even think of that being a cheap shot. I think your Thor biasness is clouding your judgment.
They said a few words to each other, and then when they were done talking, the fight picked up again. NOBODY WAS EVEN TALKING WHEN SUPERMAN USED HEAT VISION. What, did you think the fight was over when Thor started talking? Did you want to see Superman say “are you ready to begin fighting again, sweetheart?” 🙄
Originally posted by Newjak
Heck there were even pauses in Thor's Speech notice the extra dots
ZOMG!!!! PLEASE… NO… NOT THE EXTRA DOTS!!!
Originally posted by Newjak
Also notice how Thor has a straight line of sight on Superman seems to me if Thor was blasting Superman he would have done it again there when Superman was helpless
Helpless my ass. From there, Superman blasted Thor and punched him. Superman didn’t even have to move from that position to KO Thor. And do you know how much force behind punches you’re robbed of when lying on your back?
Originally posted by Newjak
Oh wait energy is coming off of his hammer again so I guess he is
Too bad there wasn’t an actual energy blast hitting him or sending him backwards at that point during the match… just the hammer. 🙂
Originally posted by Newjak
I also say look at Superman's face does that look like the face of someone holding back
And in this post, you call ME retarded. 😆
Originally posted by Newjak
Thor sounds angry I wonder why could it be that he just got cheap shotted I think so and the Heat Vision still wasn't enough to put him down.
Thor looks angry because he doesn’t take kindly to getting his ass kicked.
The heat vision wasn’t enough to put him down for the count, but the good old right hand o’ justice did the trick just fine.
Originally posted by Newjak
Notice the energy trails flying off the hammer again once again Thor just keeps blasting I guess
Superman didn’t catch energy… he caught the head of the hammer.
Originally posted by Newjak
So I guess Superman talking to Thor then blasting him isn't a cheap shot anymore especially since there isn't any proof that Thor actuall blasted him.
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My God Newjak, it’s as if you’re seeing only what you want to see.
IT WAS CLEAR AS DAY that it was an energy blast that made Superman fly backwards out the window. Jesus, there’s almost no point in debating with someone who’s perception is skewed beyond belief. As long as we’re defending things in the comic that didn’t actually happen during the fight, I’m gonna go ahead and say that Superman didn’t use heat vision against Thor. I mean, Superman’s eyes were gleaming with energy, so he actually just beat Thor up at super speed with his eye balls. 😆
Originally posted by Newjak
So let me get this straight Superman not using Superspeed means that Superman was holding back that seems kind of retarded for you to say. Superman did use his speed and it got him on his back.
No, the only things retarded in this whole discussion are your grammar, sentence structure, and spelling. doped
Show me once where Superman used combat speed against Thor in their fight. Shit, 2/3 of their encounter, Superman was on his ass. The first page, they traded blows with one another. NOWHERE did Superman use an iota of super speed. This is just some more bullshit with you seeing things that didn’t actually occur in the fight.
Originally posted by Newjak
By the way batdude before you get any more bad information of Juntai it was the current Doomsday and Thor did Knock him out. Why because it actually wasn't the spatial anomaly bringing the Villains there it was Krona.
I never said it was a spatial anomaly that brought Doomsday there. How could know it was current Doomsday? He’s looked exactly the same for 13 years now.
Originally posted by Newjak
And if you look at all the other villians you notice that they were all current.So we see normal Thor knock Doomsday off of his feat and then the next time we see Thor there is no Doomsday and the Heroes were KOing villains left and right Doomsday just didn't measure up to the god of thunder.
It’s just as much speculation to say that it was the real Doomsday, rather than a clone.
Originally posted by Newjak
I guess when the Universe is on the line Thor's dials go up to 13 seeing as he did something even Superman couldn't
Nah, he did something Batman with a war axe could do.
However, when Thor tried to fight Superman, he ended up getting his ass kicked.
Originally posted by Newjak
Oh and just one more thing BD I don't know why you are defending this so much because you do know Batman admits Iron Man did something that even Batman wasn't smart enough to do
This is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.
Originally posted by Newjak
The point is that the crossover can not be used because a lot of BS was going on. Thor one shotting Doomsday Captain Marvel beating Green Lantern Hal. Yellowjacket knocking around Wonder Woman. You see what I mean
Again, this has nothing to do with the discussion.
Originally posted by Newjak
Edit: By the way BD if you want to defend that as Cannon so much you do know Batman admitted Ironman was smarter than him
Who said I’m defending the continuity of it?
I’m simply debating the semantics of the fight itself.
Originally posted by carver9
I see that my words got to you. Honestly superman is a good fight for thor and he could take some wins. BUT what you fail to realize is that superman powers are common. He is on the power list as thor. Thor IS more versatile than superman. Thor could be more versatile than almost anyone on the jla team. I bet youre one of those people that think that superman is on herald level when he isnt. When superman matter manipulate. Create life, etc... then I would consider him herald. Superman has the basic powers. He is a powerful being but he isnt herald powerful.
lol.
Again, the Thorbag argument has nothing to do with anything resembling fact. it is a BS argument that substitues POWER for VERSATILITY.
Superman doesn't need to manipulate matter, create life, or anything like that to be more powerful than a Herald.
Hulk, for one, can become more powerful than ANY Herald, including Surfer, if he gets mad enough. and all he has is strength.
You don't even know the functional definition of the word power.
How Sad.
NO Herald is as powerful as Superman, save the Surfer.
When galactus gave him a taste of the power cosmic he stated that he never felt power like that in his life. Superman was amazed at the little things that he saw the surfer do. Do i have to keep posting this http://www.silver-surfer.us/Top10list/Top10List.htm to show you what writers think about superman and thor. By the way thor isnt my favorite characters, my favorite is wolverine, juggernaut, superman (i own a lot of his books.) and thats about it. Im beginning to like thor since i have been cheating, going to book stores reading the books for free. [b]
oh yeah, and Superman was the second most powerful being in the universe with the PC, far, FAR more powerful than Surfer.
Why the hell do you think anyone gives a shit about Wizard magazine's ludicrous outdated opinions from 10 years ago? No comic writers have anything to do with that bs lineup, and it's laughable to see how people who know nothing about the comics frequently use that trash like it's the bible.
Step you knowledge up, kid, maybe then you'll be up to date with those of us familliar with comics from the past decade.
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Answer this, why bring up punching through barriers (which i dont think that he ever done)
or turning the wheels when superman cant move a moon. Im not saying that that is a bad feat but your bringing up superman doing one thing when he cant do something that is least powerful. I think that feat with him turning the wheel wont be a feat that he would ever do again. That was a 1 time deal and by the way superman had a time to cause damage to an environment when he was fighting gog but nothing happened. beta ray bill destroyed an entire planet. Superman never showed the strength to do that. I dont think that to many people in dc universe has done a feat like that in superman range of power. If they have please show me. 😮💨
Thor and Beta Ray Bill cannot destroy planets since Thor struggles with buildings and Bill needed Hercules' and others' help to topple a building sized portal.
So long as you insist on using your insane bias to ignore whtever Superman feats you what to delude yourself into ignoring, any Planet level Thor and Bill feat is an oulier abberation, snce they struggle with islands, buildings and portals. let alone bullets, lol.
Back to reality, however:
Superman showed the strength to contain a black hole with one hand that was about to destroy the entire solar system.
Destroying mere planets is supposed to be beyond him? Don't make me laugh.
Green Lanterns have displayed planet smashing levels of power frequently. Superman can withstand thier best attacks in stride and shatter thier constructs.
Earth-2 Superman smahsed dimensional barriers--whle weakned.
Then he got back to his full power while on Earth. He fought Superman at this greater level, and they were warping space/time with the sheer force of their attacks.
Bill an Thor aren't Superman's equals in strength, they aren't his superiors in power, and neither is any Herald. Superman is right alongside Surfer in power, and what he lacks in versatililty , he makes up for in raw power and physical stats.
Originally posted by panthergod
Except that Thor has numerous rivals and equals among fellow heroes, and Superman has one true rival, and still gets the nod as the undisputed strongest heros round to a degree that Thor can never claim.Feats are not up for personal imterpretation. they are up to factual interpretation. and Superman has superior feats, not only in terms of the effects that his strength creates, but most importantly in terms of hi relative strength level. He's dominated and outperformed other top tiers much more consistently than Thor, to a degree thor cannot match.
Strength would certainly matter considering that both of them tend to use physical strength as a primary asset in thier battles. Superman just has more and is superior in this case.
Well thats some flawed logic. "He has less rivals so he must be stronger". Great debating there fella. You probably are oblivious to most of the characters Thor matches off against, and I'm not talking about in the Avengers comics 🙂
As previously stated, the impressiveness of the feats are up for personal interpretation. Superman has one feat that stands out, and thats turning the wheels of Mageddon, a feat thats impressive but completely left up to speculation.
He's dominated characters more often then Thor? I find that funny considering when not holding back Thor's dominated teams of top tier characters.
Meh, even If Superman is stronger, a win isn't automatically given to the stronger character. Skill and experience do matter, something Thor's has in the spades. Anyways, a match up between the two wouldn't be decided by physical strength.
True. The major attakc Thor has is the magical lightning because we know that Superman is weakened often hurt badly by magic. But he knows that. And by the experience is a great thing and all but Superman fought enemies older than Thor, more experienced his will got him through magic and if he gets mad no one wants to be around him. Also Superman's reflexes and sight is working on a higher level maybe Thor isn't all that but he isn't moving as fast Superman, he can travel that speed but he ain't fast. And a punch packed with Supes strenght and enough speed is more devastating that Thor has plus the movement. The Mjolnir is a problem though coz it can't be countered with heat vision or ice breath. Though Thor's eyes can be shot out by heat vision (if we aren't going with Rune King).
Originally posted by batdude123You know I've been a dick on purpose right mostly just to try and show you that the crossover is BS and mostly because you can not prove half of what you say.
Yeah, except Thor admitted nobody in Asgard was capable of something like that. It implied he still has his full “oomph,” so to speak, behind Mjolnir when he was trying to hit Superman.Either that, or Thor severely underestimates his abilities. crylaugh That was sarcasm, just in case you didn’t get it. 😐
Please Newjak, are you seriously blind? It was clearly an energy blast that made him fly out the window. The only way to make that even more obvious would be if Kurt Busiek actually circled the blast and said in parenthesis “THIS IS A LIGHTNING BLAST THOR JUST HIT SUPERMAN WITH!!!” 🙄
Some more evidence to suggest it was an energy blast: Thor was whirling around Mjolnir over his head with lightning coming off of him in all directions RIGHT after Superman crashed into the tree. How does that not scream “I just hit you with an energy blast?”
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Damn, you’re the only person who would even think of that being a cheap shot. I think your Thor biasness is clouding your judgment.
They said a few words to each other, and then when they were done talking, the fight picked up again. NOBODY WAS EVEN TALKING WHEN SUPERMAN USED HEAT VISION. What, did you think the fight was over when Thor started talking? Did you want to see Superman say “are you ready to begin fighting again, sweetheart?” 🙄
ZOMG!!!! PLEASE… NO… NOT THE EXTRA DOTS!!!
Helpless my ass. From there, Superman blasted Thor and punched him. Superman didn’t even have to move from that position to KO Thor. And do you know how much force behind punches you’re robbed of when lying on your back?
Too bad there wasn’t an actual energy blast hitting him or sending him backwards at that point during the match… just the hammer. 🙂
And in this post, you call ME retarded. 😆
Thor looks angry because he doesn’t take kindly to getting his ass kicked.
The heat vision wasn’t enough to put him down for the count, but the good old right hand o’ justice did the trick just fine.
Superman didn’t catch energy… he caught the head of the hammer.
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My God Newjak, it’s as if you’re seeing only what you want to see.
IT WAS CLEAR AS DAY that it was an energy blast that made Superman fly backwards out the window. Jesus, there’s almost no point in debating with someone who’s perception is skewed beyond belief. As long as we’re defending things in the comic that didn’t actually happen during the fight, I’m gonna go ahead and say that Superman didn’t use heat vision against Thor. I mean, Superman’s eyes were gleaming with energy, so he actually just beat Thor up at super speed with his eye balls. 😆
No, the only things retarded in this whole discussion are your grammar, sentence structure, and spelling. doped
Show me once where Superman used combat speed against Thor in their fight. Shit, 2/3 of their encounter, Superman was on his ass. The first page, they traded blows with one another. NOWHERE did Superman use an iota of super speed. This is just some more bullshit with you seeing things that didn’t actually occur in the fight.
I never said it was a spatial anomaly that brought Doomsday there. How could know it was current Doomsday? He’s looked exactly the same for 13 years now.
It’s just as much speculation to say that it was the real Doomsday, rather than a clone.
Nah, he did something Batman with a war axe could do.
However, when Thor tried to fight Superman, he ended up getting his ass kicked.
This is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.
Again, this has nothing to do with the discussion.
Who said I’m defending the continuity of it?
I’m simply debating the semantics of the fight itself.
Prove to me it was a Doomsday clone Thor beat especially since all the Villains were current. So I have more proof it was actually Doomsday then you because it was a crossover why would there be a clone and current Doomsday wasn't a clone.
And I brought up the Ironman thing to try and get you to see that the Comic was BS through a lot of it. Batman admitted that Tony was smarter than him. I know you like to claim that isn't true.
Originally posted by Newjak
You know I've been a dick on purpose right mostly just to try and show you that the crossover is BS and mostly because you can not prove half of what you say.Prove to me it was a Doomsday clone Thor beat especially since all the Villains were current. So I have more proof it was actually Doomsday then you because it was a crossover why would there be a clone and current Doomsday wasn't a clone.
And I brought up the Ironman thing to try and get you to see that the Comic was BS through a lot of it. Batman admitted that Tony was smarter than him. I know you like to claim that isn't true.
Well, I'm sorry I offended you in anyway, NJ. 👆
I don't think the Doomsday deal can be definitively proven either way.
I never tried to argue it's continuity. I was simply debating the fight between Superman and Thor itself.