Originally posted by IOU
well it was pretty clear that allankes understood my original point, so perhaps the problem lies with you and not me.
8th attempt kiddo, list your points, go on, do it with aggressive asyndeton to really drive the point home!
Or do you not have any points you'd wish to share with the class?
Originally posted by exanda kane
That's a very liberous use of the word "alliance".Relating this back to its initial point, it shows nothing of Nihilus needing to supply Sion with the fleet he ripped from Malachor's gravity, thus enforcing the fact that these two, while loosely connected via the Sith Triumvirate, had two different goals.
However, this is all moot to you, correct? You conceeded any responsibility for the Nihilus argument a long time ago.
wow, yet again the point flies right over the morons head
ur main argument against nihilus pulling the fleet out of the mass shadows of malachor was that he had no necessity for it, correct?
well he had no necessity for forming an alliance with sion for the very same reasons, yet he still decided to do so
could this be perhaps because he had reasons unknown to us due to the fact that theres a huge lack of information on his character? logic anyone?
Originally posted by IOU
wow, yet again the point flies right over the morons headur main argument against nihilus pulling the fleet out of the mass shadows of malachor was that he had no necessity for it, correct?
Re-read. It was reason, speculative but educated reason, derivitive of my main criticism.
well he had no necessity for forming an alliance with sion for the very same reasons, yet he still decided to do socould this be perhaps because he had reasons unknown to us due to the fact that theres a huge lack of information on his character? logic anyone?
Yes, a huge lack of information on this character, so lets summise what we do know, okay?
- As Kreia states, the only thing that drives him is his hunger.
- He does not need a fleet of any size to devour and fulfill his hunger.
- This ability to devour whole planets is not powerful, but a primal thing.
- He travels the edges of the galaxy, attempting to consume all life.
So, after summarising, lets ask a few questions relevant to the case in hand.
Why does Nihilus need a fleet?
Why would he honour an alliance with Sion?
Why would he waste valuable time ripping a whole fleet from a Mass Shadow generator?
Originally posted by IOU
aww, poor exanda, has to rely on vague bullshit mixed in with some hardcore dictionary.com usage to try and counter my points, must suck being that dumb
Hah (gallant laughter)
Dictionary.com eh? I'm not sure whether to take that as an insult or a compliment. I'll indulge myself, thank you very much and I hope those night classes go well for you!
By the way, have you been able to cobble together your actual point yet? Or are you relying still on vulgarisms and semantics still?
to anyone with half a brain, my original point was clear, which was questioning your incorrect usage of the word hyperbole (you were mixing up how extremely the term can be used with whether or not tobin actively chose to exaggerate or not). manslayer then replied with some irrelevant bs, and the point i chose to make changed to proving that nihilus pulled out his entire fleet as well as the ravager from the mass shadows of malachor v
the fact that us still dont get this whereas allankles who i wasnt even arguing against got it right away speaks volumes for your lack of reading comprehension skills
now as ur so fond of saying, calm down and head down the pub, at least there you wont feel like a total dumbass
Originally posted by IOU
[B]to anyone with half a brain, my original point was clear, which was questioning your incorrect usage of the word hyperbole (you were mixing up how extremely the term can be used with whether or not tobin actively chose to exaggerate or not). manslayer then replied with some irrelevant bs, and the point i chose to make changed to proving that nihilus pulled out his entire fleet as well as the ravager from the mass shadows of malachor v
He speaks finally! And blimey, what a marvellous bundle of sarcasm and "wit" it is. I think my prayers have finally been answered and I can now repent, but no, oh how silly a cretin you are, not even being able to put forth a clarified argument!
You have a minor criticism with the term "hyperbole", and yes, with a nicely presented approach like Allankles I (as you might check back on) admitted I did use the term with a knowing but meandering edge, but your latter point is ultimately flawed.
the fact that us still dont get this whereas allankles who i wasnt even arguing against got it right away speaks volumes for your lack of reading comprehension skills
While this has nothing to do with the debate in hand, yes, your techniques of clarification and precision need half of Cambodia to be desired, yet we must all do with the hands we are dealt with.
now as ur so fond of saying, calm down and head down the pub, at least there you wont feel like a total dumbass
Why I would love to, but the thought of hearing another poorly executed tirade of angst from you would be worth the lack of a cold walk home.
LOL!!! I can just picture exanda kane speaking proper English in a "British accent". (Technically, we "yanks" are the ones with the accents.) I work with a man who is from London and he speaks “right off the cuff” the way exanda kane posts. I find the educated British to be refreshing because I forget how nice the English language can sound on the proper tongue.
IOU, I do not think he is using dictionary.com...I just think he is educated. Here is a little secret I have discovered when talking to people. You can tell when someone is using words they do not know the meaning to by how complicated their sentence structure is. Generally speaking, if the sentence structure is complex and it has big words in it, then you are dealing with an educated individual. If the person uses normal sentences in everyday speak mixed with some uncommon or big@ss words, then they are probably pontificating and maybe even using dictionary.com, etc.
Back to the point...
I see another point not thought of by myself; the ravager could have been just one of many ships pulled out, (Teehee, I said pulled out.) but we never see them. Then logic dictates another thesis: why would he pull out multiple,massive, battle class starships and then only use 1? That then brings us full circle to my original thesis:
Originally posted by dadudemon
Originally posted by yours truly...plot hole mistake by the writers or is it designed hyperbole intended for Tobin's character?
Is the case closed? Not quite, I can think of a couple of counter-arguments.
Originally posted by dadudemon
...plot hole mistake by the writers or is it designed hyperbole intended for Tobin's character?
Sorry that it went unheard. It is a good point; consdering how much of KOTOR 2 went unpolished and unfinished, how reliable are many of the comments and sources from it?
Nonetheless, it you face only a handful of evidence and you want a conclusion, your faced with little choice but to use it. Makes you wonder how different people would think of these characters if Obsidian had the development time available to produce what they set out to.
Originally posted by exanda kane
You have valid points Allankles and yes, I did you the term "hyperbole" in a very meandering fashion. I'm quite aware of that.I would still argue, though not with the conviction I did with Malak's comment, that Tobin's comment is subject to some form of exageration, even if unintended.
There may be other ships, part of that supposed fleet, but why on earth would Nihilus need them? His only instinct is hunger, and his primal ability is sufficent to fulfill that need, he doesn't need ships.
I would argue that it's this unncessary flourish that hints at a character trait, which could result in over exuberant remarks.
Well, this argument could go on and on without clarification from another licensed source (as if we need one, it's fricken fiction, but tell that to dumbasses like Darth saxy).
Let's just agree to disagree. You have to admit that your argument is a little beat weak when you're sighting your interpretations on Tobin's character traits as a basis for your stance.
I'm not going to argue over the possible number of capital class vessels in Nihilus' fleet, my assumption is that what we saw in Kotor 2 is pretty much what he lifted off of Malachor. Several star fighters (maybe in the hundreds), one capital class vessel and maybe a few gunboats (maybe). The point is irrespective of how many or how large, using TK to lift as many ships as we saw attack Telos is impressive.
I'm not arguing out of my ass a la Darth sexy, I have the info from a licensed game on an event ( not a descriptive) performed by Nihilus, so as far as I'm concerned this debate is done and dusted.
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Originally posted by Allankles
Let's just agree to disagree. You have to admit that your argument is a little beat weak when you're sighting your interpretations on Tobin's character traits as a basis for your stance.
Yet with the case in hand, being how many constitutes a fleet and thus how credible a feat this is of Nihilus', it is important. Any character traits that may affect Tobin's reliability are highly irrelevant, and the fact that we share different opinions is testimony to a number of different interpretations you could draw from it.
You might not acknowledge that the exuberant and unneccesary use of "entire fleet" is relevant, but as the flourish is part of a short, but key phrase, it must be analysed too.
I'm not going to argue over the possible number of capital class vessels in Nihilus' fleet, my assumption is that what we saw in Kotor 2 is pretty much what he lifted off of Malachor. Several star fighters (maybe in the hundreds), one capital class vessel and maybe a few gunboats (maybe). The point is irrespective of how many or how large, using TK to lift as many ships as we saw attack Telos is impressive.
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No doubt lifting just one capitol ship is an impressive feat, but when this source was used in the earlier pages of this thread, it was used to suggest that Nihilus may have lifted hundreds of capitol class ships.
There is no evidence to support this. The cutscene shows the Ravager and an entourage of Sith Fighters and the use of the word "enitire" is vague in its nature, so we must assume that this is the fleet. While impressive as that may have been, there is no evidence that Nihilus lifted any more, thus clarifying the argument in hand.
You can agree to disagree if you must, my criticism is not a fully fledged argument because I did not intend it to be; it is merely an analytical clarification, and while you might not agree with it, you simply cannot disregard the clarification.
Originally posted by JesusTheChristActually omnipotence is the ability to perform any feat with no limit. You're talking about omniscience.
I'll destroy it. Tell me, is everyone character in SW omnipotent? If you don't know what that means, it means they know everything. Which is certainly isn't any character in SW except the writer/creators themselves. How will they know if Nihilius has such massive draining power? They don't. They can't loop out of the force instantly beginning of the battle seeing as they have no idea who Nihilius is nor what hes capable of.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Allankles, you've embarassed yourself the day you came here saying Revan sucks because of "poor storyline". Your dumbass has no credibility, nor any real debating skills. Pipe down.
🙄 Always overreacting Saxy.
No, I never said any such thing, I never said Revan sucks merely that I don't rate him as highly as some people on KMC do. Did I rate him any less than a Jedi hero of the Republic and a top tier force user? The answer is no: so you pipe down.
Originally posted by Allankles
🙄 Always overreacting Saxy.No, I never said any such thing, I never said Revan sucks merely that I don't rate him as highly as some people on KMC do. Did I rate him any less than a Jedi hero of the Republic and a top tier force user? The answer is no: so you pipe down.
Awww really? Would you like me to dig up the thread where you were bitching about Revan and claiming he wasn't powerful, but that it was a shitty storyline?