Abraxas vs. Phoenix

Originally posted by Mr Master
According to the Official Handbook of 2006

"While Abraxas DREW NEARER, the Walls of Dimensional Space began to BLUR,

rendering Uatu the Watcher comatose and causing a group of Other-Dimensional superhumans called the Law Enforcement to ENTER 616" (because the Multiverse was folding due to Abraxas's approach, just like it clearly states)

On Panel verification:

"our Earth is merging with other Alternates"

"creatures of the MULTIVERSE Mixing --- Reality folding onto itself"

AGAIN:

"While Abraxas DREW NEARER, the Walls of Dimensional Space began to BLUR,

causing a group of Other-Dimensional superhumans called the Law Enforcement to ENTER 616"

A group from ANOTHER Universe ENTERED the 616 Reality because,

"Abaraxas drew near"

Sounds like Reality FOLDING because of Abraxas' presence.

yawn

Originally posted by Mr Master
On Panel verification:

"our Earth is merging with other Alternates"

"creatures of the MULTIVERSE Mixing --- Reality folding onto itself"

AGAIN:

"While Abraxas DREW NEARER, the Walls of Dimensional Space began to BLUR,

[B]causing a group of Other-Dimensional superhumans called the Law Enforcemen"

yawn [/B]

Because Abraxas was navigating dimensions. Nowhere is it stated that his mere presence caused realities to collapse. 🙁

Please show me where its stated and clearly illustrated or give it up. Your assumptions are not good enough 😬

According to the Official Handbook of 2006

"While Abraxas DREW NEARER, the Walls of Dimensional Space began to BLUR,

rendering Uatu the Watcher comatose and

causing a group of Other-Dimensional superhumans called the Law Enforcement to ENTER 616"

(because the Multiverse was folding due to Abraxas's approach, just like it clearly states)

Killing Galactus' had absolutely NOTHING to do with the Multiverse collapsing.

The "Death" of 616 Galactus released Abraxas, who collapses the Multiverse,

that's about it.

On Panel verification:

Abraxas conclusively being depicted as the SHATTERER of Universes,

and Roma flat out says,

"If we don't act soon ALL of TIME (the Multi-verse) will be LOST to us" (with a Statue of Abraxas in her hands)

right after Franklin says,

"Roma, she's gonna HELP us fight the Dark Man" (Abraxas)

Is she not saying that Abraxas will destroy the Multi-verse in other words?

IMAGINE a World WHERE:

IMAGINE a World WHERE: (in other Universes)

IMAGINE a World WHERE: (in other Universes)

From the WRITER'S own Words:

"IMAGINE EACH of those Worlds (other Universes) like Sand in an Hourglass,

an Hourglass which ABRAXAS WILL SHATTER"

"Roma, she's gonna HELP us fight the Dark Man"

"And if we don't act SOON, ALL of TIME will be LOST to us"

Because of WHO?

Because of the "Dark Man" (Abraxas)

According to the Official Handbook of 2006

"While Abraxas DREW NEARER, the Walls of Dimensional Space began to BLUR,

rendering Uatu the Watcher comatose and causing a group of Other-Dimensional superhumans called the Law Enforcement to ENTER 616" (because the Multiverse was folding due to Abraxas's approach, just like it clearly states)

ON PANEL Verification:

"our Earth is merging with other Alternates"

"creatures of the MULTIVERSE Mixing --- Reality folding onto itself"

AGAIN:

"While Abraxas DREW NEARER, the Walls of Dimensional Space began to BLUR,

causing a group of Other-Dimensional superhumans called the Law Enforcement to ENTER 616"

A group from ANOTHER Universe ENTERED the 616 Reality because,

"Abaraxas drew near"

Sounds like Reality FOLDING because of Abraxas' presence.

And finally,

Abraxas was NEVER going to use the UN to collapse Realities,

Abraxas acquired the UN, to ensure no one defeating him:

Here when Reed uses the UN, Abraxas and Reed say to each other:

Abraxas says, "Put it down Richards, you have no idea"

Reed says, "Actually Abraxas I do,

You NEVER INTENDED to FIRE the Nullifier for the very same Reason I MUST"

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Because Abraxas was navigating dimensions. Nowhere is it stated that his mere presence caused realities to collapse. 🙁

Please show me where its stated and clearly illustrated or give it up. Your assumptions are not good enough 😬

But you admit that it would defeat Phoenix?

Originally posted by llagrok
But you admit that it would defeat Phoenix?

If he can't accept that Abraxas was collapsing the Multiverse with his presence,

as clearly depicted On Panel and stated in his Official Bio,

you really think he'll say Phoenix can be defeated? 😂

The whole point of demeaning Abraxas,
like Jamie Braddock,
like MJJ,
like Merlyn,
like HOM Wanda,
like Insane Genis,
like the LT,
like anyone and everyone

is to place Phoenix above them all,

you see Phoenix at best has a Universal feat, knowing everyone in that list is equal or greater than Universal, forces him to downplay what all others have done.

It's been going on for years, the exact same style, only Now, yall are catching on.

I'm not too familiar with insane genis, is there a respect thread or something?

Originally posted by llagrok
I'm not too familiar with insane genis, is there a respect thread or something?

Insane Genis and Entropy together erased the Multiversal essence of Eternity.

But the issue alludes to Genis doing most of the work.

That's been demeaned by him too of course,

even though Genis spared the Microverse,
which is OUTSIDE the 616 Reality in a completely separate Universe. 🙂

Genis and Entropy also created the Multiverse anew,

Entropy played the bigger role in this one, for Entropy exploded into the New Multiverse/Eternity.

This previous post deals with your reposts:

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Abraxas is a Galactus level being bent on destroying all of reality and with an ambition to find the Nullifier in order to do it, so of course if he wasnt stopped he would be a threat to all reality, hence Romas comments.

However as clearly illustrated on panel, the scene you have often presented as evidence of how Abraxas causes realities to crumble once he steps in them was a major misinterpretation on your part im afraid. As actually stated by Roma and by the people in the scene the destruction was caused by Galactus eating the Earth.

Abraxas wearing down the dimensional wall as he draws nearer to Earth isnt evidence of him collapsing the multiverse. What an incredibly major stretch. 😂

As stated on panel the death of Galactus unlocked Abraxas from his prison. He sent a Galactus head to Earth to use as a homing beacon, then he navigated through time/space using this beacon, as he drew nearer to Earth he wore down the dimensional wall.

Collapsed the multiverse? 🤨 Youre having a laugh there mate 😆

Abraxas wearing down dimensional walls as he navigates through dimensions in order to wreck destruction doesnt equate to his mere presence caused the multiverse to collapse. Nowhere is that stated. Not on panel, not in the bios.

Abraxas navigated through dimensions destroying counterparts of powerful beings:

"Because you exist, you will bring him"

"Abraxas comes here to this Earth....he is drawn by the aroma of creatures of the multiverse"

Abraxas was causing the chaos, he was blurring dimensional walls, but not everywhere and not all at once. It was as he "drew nearer" as he navigated to a dimension. He never automatically made the entire multiverse start collapsing. Nowhere in any official source is that stated.

On panel he wasnt shown doing anything impressive under his own power.

Your claims that his mere presence was causing multiversal collapse are disputed by the fact that he required a weapon to do just that and the fact that the blurring of dimensions the handbook talks was said to be as he attempted to reach Earth.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Your claims that his mere presence was causing multiversal collapse are disputed by the fact that he required a weapon to do just that and the fact that the blurring of dimensions the handbook talks was said to be as he attempted to reach Earth.

No one said the entire Multiverse collapsed because of Abraxas.

I clearly stated,

When Abraxas ENTERS a Reality, that Reality begins to collapse.

Abraxas had obviously entered sufficient Realities to cause an all out Multiversal collapse.

And your're still bull shiting, concerning Abraxas and the UN.

I already posted the PROOF, that Abraxas was NEVER GOING TO USED the UN:

Here when Reed uses the UN, Abraxas and Reed say to each other:

Abraxas says, "Put it down Richards, you have no idea"

Reed says,

"Actually Abraxas I do,

You NEVER INTENDED to FIRE the Nullifier for the very same Reason I MUST"

Now you can IGNORE this Fact all you want,

but I don't give a shit

I do this for the onlookers, I never considered you in these posts. 🙂

So you admit that he'd defeat Phoenix then GS?

Abraxas sought the Nullifier to give him power over all. Thats cool, because the point remains. If he was such hot stuff he wouldnt have required the weapon. If he could cause simultaneous multiversal destruction inherently, he would not require the weapon.

Abraxas on his own caused havoc with various realities across the multiverse, by navigating through dimensions causing them to blur as highlighted by the fact that it was stated it was his intention to navigate dimensions to wreck his destruction and that as he did so the dimensional walls blurred causing havoc.

Abraxas killed a load of alternate reality Galactuses, not simultaneously mind and we were not shown the circumstances.

So with all that in mind, show us all a single feat, a single output of power that marks him out as beyond the greatest universal powers?

Originally posted by Mr Master
If he can't accept that Abraxas was collapsing the Multiverse with his presence,

as clearly depicted On Panel and stated in his Official Bio,

you really think he'll say Phoenix can be defeated? 😂

The whole point of demeaning Abraxas,
like Jamie Braddock,
like MJJ,
like Merlyn,
like HOM Wanda,
like Insane Genis,
like the LT,
like anyone and everyone

is to place Phoenix above them all,

you see Phoenix at best has a Universal feat, knowing everyone in that list is equal or greater than Universal, forces him to downplay what all others have done.

It's been going on for years, the exact same style, only Now, yall are catching on.

Rubbish. You've hyped up their feats in an effort to form a hierarchy where you could place Phoenix as low as you could. 😉

I have merely been de-hyping this rubbish. 🙂

You mean being Jack Kirby and Stan lee? I don't know :/

Oh yeah, the NU doesn't GIVE you power, it's used to destroy any being/thing in the universe. It's not a power boost.

Abraxas navigated dimensions. He went from reality to reality in an effort to find the Ultimate Nullifier so that he could rule over reality.

As he drew nearer to realities as he navigated them he caused dimensional walls to blur.

Abraxas killed a load of alternate Galactus' in unseen circumstances.

Show an output of power that places Abraxas above all universal powers and makes him multiversal as you claim. Show him destroying a universe out of sheer might. Show him besting Eternity or at least pulling off a feat thats comparable.

Until then weakening dimensional walls one by one as he navigated dimensions and killing off a handful of Galactus' doesnt cuy it. Impressive but nowhere near the level you've been portraying 😬

Abraxas sought to keep the UN so that no one would use it to destroy him. He didn't require it to perform any feats.

Phoenix got owned by Magneto 🙂

Originally posted by llagrok
You mean being Jack Kirby and Stan lee? I don't know :/

Oh yeah, the NU doesn't GIVE you power, it's used to destroy any being/thing in the universe. It's not a power boost.

With the UN, just like the F4 did to Galactus originally when he threatened Earth, Abraxas could bluff and threaten to destroy realities to keep order. He could destroy those who would threaten his ambitions to be ruler over all. Without it he was nothing, or at least not as impressive as some were making him out to be:

As Mr Master pointed out, he never intended to use it, it was all about leverage over others, with it who would threaten him:

Thats my point.

Originally posted by llagrok
Abraxas sought to keep the UN so that no one would use it to destroy him. He didn't require it to perform any feats.

Phoenix got owned by Magneto 🙂

As a result of Jean placing barriers in her mind, to limit her powers.

Theres a reason behind it. To ignore the circumstances and present the event out of context is a poor practice in debate. 😬

He is the living embodiment of destruction, why would he want to rule over anything.