Abraxas vs. Phoenix

Originally posted by Mr Master
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[B]Jim Japsers Remade the 616 Universe, end of story.

"I made everything actually, I made the sky, I made the Tiger the Lamb"

"I made the Stars" [/B]

Nope. Jaspers as stated in the handbook and on the marvunapp site warped the UK and presumably the world.

Jaspers saying he made everything is an ambiguous line and he could very well have meant within his reality warp. Either way Jaspers is only ever shown on panel warping the UK so his comments are unverified on panel anyway. On top of that I am supported officially. Officially your opinion is DISPUTED.

Originally posted by Mr Master
[B]Here's the Proof

In Captain Britain's series that came AFTER Jaspers was killed by the Fury,

it's clarified for those that tried to demean Jaspers' Feat.

"Although Captain UK and I defeated the Fury & contained the Jaspers' Warp,

the Continuum was sufficiently damaged"

Another instance,

BIO:

"Roma informed Linda her anomalous presence on 616,

was preventing the Damaged Reality (Universe) from fully Healing"

(excerpt from the Official Marvel Handbook 2006 Captain UK Bio)

On Panel verification

"Your presence is an anomaly,

that has prevented this Continuum (616 Universe) from Healing"

How the heck is Warping one country fkn up a Universe? dontgetit [/B]

Linda coming from Universe 238 is an anomaly in reality 616 and is therefore preventing the 616 universe from healing. An example of how even the smallest seemingly insignificant parts of the puzzle can affect the whole. Remove the Keystone from a bridge and the whole structure comes toppling down. The Jaspers global warp is another example.

On panel Jaspers is only ever shown warping the UK, supporting characters only refer to the fact that he has damaged the UK, official sources say he only damaged the UK, with the world being the biggest scale they’re willing to presume. You questioning how such a small scale warp can have such a significant affect doesn’t change the fact that on panel his warp is limited to the Earth and the fact that there’s no statement in any comic which specifically defines the scale of the warp as anything but global. This is all a matter of comic book science, it doesn’t have to make sense to you by your real world standards. Either way your opinion isn’t conclusively verified on panel whereas mine has support on panel, plus its verified by official sources.

I did find more evidence to further prove, Jaspers was the 616 Universe.

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/madjimj2.htm

GO down to 'The Mighty World of Marvel #9'

(on the right hand side of the poker dot Jaspers with a Cane)

"Captain Britain entered Jaspers' Office to find Jaspers,

a Giant at ONE with the Universe"

This, coupled with the rest of my evidence,

seals the coffin. 🙂

I've learned to save my past arguments to word to. 🙂

In that respect at least you've taught me something 😉

Now as everyone else can see, in that Jaspers argument your points got handled.

Anyway lets not go off on a tangent 😄

firefirefireph

Have fun.

Originally posted by Mr Master
This is what I mean,

again, it's the same thing over and over again,

demeaning the other character's Feats ... with gibberish.

Ok ... that's enough firefirefireph

as you wish. 🙂

Gibberish? How so? If you cant counter it then say so and concede 🙂

What i wrote was perfectly reasonable. My only fault was disagreeing with you, right Mr Master? 🙄

Once again.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Reed Richards doesnt necessarily exist in every reality of the multiverse. Abraxas said that at the moment in time Reeds other selves were dying. That gives no indication of amount. On top of that its debatable who was killing these Reeds, was it Abraxas himself or was he merely providing commentary for an event?

Either way killing a single human in a number of realities doesnt equal multiversal power. Watcher can extend his power across the multiverse, so can the Contemplator that doesnt make them multiversal powers. Extending his power across realities to take out a human in each reality isnt as impressive as destroying or consuming a reality, no way near. In terms of matter and energy how insignificant is Reed Richards in relation to an entire universe?

So Abraxas taking out Reed from an undetermined amount of alternate realities doesnt necessarily compare to someone doing something that spans across and affects an entire single dimension.

Nowhere does it state on panel that realities were collapsing because of Abraxas, presence or his own inherent power. We know he can blur dimensional walls as he nears them and tries to navigate through them, but that doesnt equate to collapsing the entire multiverse.

Nova tells us the kind of destruction Abraxas can bring. She talks of realities folding. That doesnt equate to the multiverse collapsing. As the handbook said dimensional walls blurred and as we saw on panel some heroes from an alternate universe crossed into 616. This alternate dimension never entirely collapsed with both realities merging, Abraxas just caused disruptions.

You havent proven that Abraxas was simulatenously collapsing the entire multiverse. We know his ambitions were to cause destruction over that area, we were shown he had caused disruptions in the dimensional wall between 616 and another reality, but this multiverse collapse isnt supported on panel or in bios.

You dont know anything concretely, what i've said in my last post is possible. Accept that. 🙂

Thats all for now. Nite nite. Its been fun 🙂

Originally posted by Mr Master
Abraxas approaches a Reality, and that Reality begins to collapse.

That Reality is a Universe.

So Abraxas doesn't even need to try to destroy UniverseS,

Abraxas only needs to approach a Universe, and it collapses.

Collapsing UniverseS just by coming near them?

Not remarkable at all. 😂

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