Originally posted by llagrok
He is the living embodiment of destruction, why would he want to rule over anything.
With the UN he would have leverage over all those who would threaten his ambitions. As we saw on panel without the UN he was nothing. He could be stopped. When confronted by 616 Galactus he had it snatched from him like he was nothing. Did Abraxas attack him directly? No, he used his Novas to.
On panel he did nothing impressive whatsoever. Yeah he caused dimensional chaos by blurring dimensional walls, but that didnt destroy them, yeah he destroyed a few alternate Galactus' but we never saw that happen. We saw the result. When confronted with Galactus on panel he didnt demonstrate any power superior to Galactus.
He has never done anything on a universal scale even. Phoenix has manipulated entire realities in the palm of her hand for example. If Phoenix wanted to go around merely weakening dimensional walls that would be childs play with that in mind. Theres just no comparison.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Your're wasting your time.Though you're right. 🙂
So why dont you show us something Abraxas did with his own power that was actually impressive or at least beyond the universal level? 😬
How is blurring dimensional walls between 616 and another reality impressive? He didnt destroy realities, he did nothing on a universal scale. He certainly started to cause disruptions through reality as noticed by Reed but nothing remarkable. 🙂
Yeah right. You're taking the New X-men comics too seriously, there was a lot of arguing going on around then. I mean, Xorn was supposed to be Magneto all along, and not Sublime. Retcon x-men was just wacko at times.
But that's alright, you're going to be added to my ignore list now 🙂
I hope you have a good life.
Mr master, quick question in your own view where would you rank phoenix in the marvel power Hierarchy ? I'm asking because I do agree with you in some point jus as I do with GS but surely marvel them self are never clear about any of their characters. If you look at any super hero in either marvel or DC you will see inconsistency, meanin that no matter what they might have said in one issue they will contradict it in an other.
Originally posted by llagrok
Yeah right. You're taking the New X-men comics too seriously, there was a lot of arguing going on around then. I mean, Xorn was supposed to be Magneto all along, and not Sublime. Retcon x-men was just wacko at times.But that's alright, you're going to be added to my ignore list now 🙂
I hope you have a good life.
Disagree with someone and cant counter what they've said so put them on ignore? 😕
Whatever floats your boat mate 🙂
Judging from the prowess you've shown so far you're swiftly going to run out of debating partners. 😂
Originally posted by tiakocom
Mr master, quick question in your own view where would you rank phoenix in the marvel power Hierarchy ?
Phoenix is a Universal Force of Nature, a "Child of the Universe"
The Phoenix Force is right below 616 Eternity, along with the other vital Concepts of the Universe,
IMO.
Phoenix does have Universal scale power, it's been demonstrated on panel.
Originally posted by tiakocom
I'm asking because I do agree with you in some point jus as I do with GS but surely marvel them self are never clear about any of their characters. If you look at any super hero in either marvel or DC you will see inconsistency, meanin that no matter what they might have said in one issue they will contradict it in an other.
Makes sense.
Originally posted by Nikkolas
Dark Phoenix can beat Parallax in GalacticStorm's world.That's all you really need to know to decide how much of a fanboy GS is.
Oh and there's stars on the planet. Because MJJ only warped the planet yet created stars on it.
He actually had MJJ only warping the UK. 😆
Originally posted by Nikkolas
GS, you're a complete joke.
✅
Originally posted by Mr Master
Phoenix a Universal Force of Nature, a "Child of the Universe"The Phoenix Force is right below 616 Eternity, along with the other vital Concepts of the Universe,
IMO.
Makes sense.
So with that in mind, how can a Phoenix avatar who possess a segment of the Forces power, amputate the future of a reality and carry it away in her hand?
She never just manipulated telekinetically and carried away the universe at any one given point in time, she did so with an entire future timeline, so the universe at many given points of time down the line. To be able to do so, to carry a segment of the the timeline, to warp concepts such as space and time and carry them away with her like a solid object and on that scale places her and by extension the Phoenix Force far beyond any universal power.
Given that its stated point blank she amputated the future point blank, that cant be argued. Say what you want about what comes later in the white hot room, but that point remains conclusive. 😉
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
So why dont you show us something Abraxas did with his own power that was actually impressive or at least beyond the universal level?
Abraxas killing Reed, and every other Reed in the Multi-verse with a GESTURE:
Go ahead, and bullshit your way around the Fact,
that Abraxas just affected a part of Reality in every Universe in existence.
Multiversal Feat baby.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
How is blurring dimensional walls between 616 and another reality impressive?
Abraxas approaches a Reality, and that Reality begins to collapse.
That Reality is a Universe.
So Abraxas doesn't even need to try to destroy UniverseS,
Abraxas only needs to come close to a Universe, and it's toast.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
He didnt destroy realities,
Only collapse them. dontgetit
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
he did nothing on a universal scale.
Your're right,
it was a Multiversal scale instead. 🙂
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
He certainly started to cause disruptions through reality as noticed by Reed but nothing remarkable.
Collapsing UniverseS just by coming near them?
Not remarkable at all. 😂
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Didnt you just use Abraxas' bio entry to support your ideas about his appearance?So when Mad Jim Jaspers' bio says he warped the country for definite and PRESUMABLY the world, why is that laughable?
Jim Japsers Remade the 616 Universe, end of story.
"I made everything actually, I made the sky, I made the Tiger the Lamb"
"I made the Stars"
Here's the Proof
In Captain Britain's series that came AFTER Jaspers was killed by the Fury,
it's clarified for those that tried to demean Jaspers' Feat.
"Although Captain UK and I defeated the Fury & contained the Jaspers' Warp,
the Continuum was sufficiently damaged"
"Roma informed Linda her anomalous presence on 616,
was preventing the Damaged Reality (Universe) from fully Healing"
(excerpt from the Official Marvel Handbook 2006 Captain UK Bio)
On Panel verification
"Your presence is an anomaly,
that has prevented this Continuum (616 Universe) from Healing"
I did find more evidence to further prove, Jaspers was the 616 Universe.
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/madjimj2.htm
GO down to 'The Mighty World of Marvel #9'
(on the right hand side of the poker dot Jaspers with a Cane)
"Captain Britain entered Jaspers' Office to find Jaspers,
a Giant at ONE with the Universe"
Haven't you eaten enough of your own shit for one day?
Originally posted by Nikkolas
Dark Phoenix can beat Parallax in GalacticStorm's world.That's all you really need to know to decide how much of a fanboy GS is.
Oh and there's stars on the planet. Because MJJ only warped the planet yet created stars on it.
GS, you're a complete joke.
Youre limited by your inability to grasp simple concepts. Thats what causes this astonishment. Within his reality warp, time/space all physical laws dont need to make sense.
Look at the M'kraan crystal for example. On the outside where we're restricted to reality, its no bigger than a bus, on the inside where time and space has no meaning it is boundless.
Within Jaspers warp he very weel could've created stars, planets etc, however outside of his warp where such concepts still hold sway the area of his warp could be as big as a house.
"BOTH Jaspers could effortlessly Warp Reality on a Dimension-Wide Scale" (Universal)
(excert from the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe 2006)
How does the Official Bio KNOW,
that BOTH Jaspers CAN Warp Reality atleast on a Universal scale,
if supposedly Jaspers 616 never did?
Oh I see, the official Marvel Bio is also hyping up Jaspers,
maybe they dislike the Phoenix in the hierarchy aswell, hmm. 😆
Originally posted by Mr Master
Phoenix is a Universal Force of Nature, a "Child of the Universe"The Phoenix Force is right below 616 Eternity, along with the other vital Concepts of the Universe,
IMO.
Phoenix does have Universal scale power, it's been demonstrated on panel.
Makes sense.
I agree with that...as far as the thread itself I have my own reservation but you and GS do the debating for us. cant deny that you both do bring good point on the table, for me i see it as jus more proof that those writers must be smokin somethin. they can never get their story straight
Originally posted by Mr Master
Abraxas killing Reed, and every other Reed in the Multi-verse with a GESTURE:Go ahead, and bullshit your way around the Fact,
that Abraxas just affected a part of Reality in every Universe in existence.
Multiversal Feat baby.
Abraxas approaches a Reality, and that Reality begins to collapse.
That Reality is a Universe.
So Abraxas doesn't even need to try to destroy UniverseS,
Abraxas only needs to come close to a Universes, and it's toast.
Only collapse them. dontgetit
Your're right,
it was a Multiversal scale instead. 🙂
Collapsing UniverseS just by coming near them?
Not remarkable at all. 😂
Reed Richards doesnt necessarily exist in every reality of the multiverse. Abraxas said that at the moment in time Reeds other selves were dying. That gives no indication of amount. On top of that its debatable who was killing these Reeds, was it Abraxas himself or was he merely providing commentary for an event?
Either way killing a single human in a number of realities doesnt equal multiversal power. Watcher can extend his power across the multiverse, so can the Contemplator that doesnt make them multiversal powers. Extending his power across realities to take out a human in each reality isnt as impressive as destroying or consuming a reality, no way near. In terms of matter and energy how insignificant is Reed Richards in relation to an entire universe?
So Abraxas taking out Reed from an undetermined amount of alternate realities doesnt necessarily compare to someone doing something that spans across and affects an entire single dimension.
Nowhere does it state on panel that realities were collapsing because of Abraxas, presence or his own inherent power. We know he can blur dimensional walls as he nears them and tries to navigate through them, but that doesnt equate to collapsing the entire multiverse.
Nova tells us the kind of destruction Abraxas can bring. She talks of realities folding. That doesnt equate to the multiverse collapsing. As the handbook said dimensional walls blurred and as we saw on panel some heroes from an alternate universe crossed into 616. This alternate dimension never entirely collapsed with both realities merging, Abraxas just caused disruptions.
You havent proven that Abraxas was simulatenously collapsing the entire multiverse. We know his ambitions were to cause destruction over that area, we were shown he had caused disruptions in the dimensional wall between 616 and another reality, but this multiverse collapse isnt supported on panel or in bios.
Originally posted by Mr Master
"BOTH Jaspers could effortlessly Warp Reality on a Dimension-Wide Scale" (Universal)
(excert from the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe 2006)How does the Official Bio KNOW,
that BOTH Jaspers CAN Warp Reality atleast on a Universal scale,
if supposedly Jaspers 616 never did?
Oh I see, the official Marvel Bio is also hyping up Jaspers,
maybe they dislike the Phoenix in the hierarchy aswell, hmm. 😆
Im not denying Jaspers CAN warp reality on that scale, i never have. What im saying and what the bio is saying is that he did NOT.
Once again, the entire bio which clearly states he warped the country(UK) and presumably the world.
Originally posted by tiakocom
I agree with that...
🙂
Originally posted by tiakocom
as far as the thread itself I have my own reservation but you and GS do the debating for us. cant deny that you both do bring good point on the table, for me i see it as jus more proof that those writers must be smokin somethin. they can never get their story straight
Thanx, and in someways I agree with your assessment of Comic Co.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Reed Richards doesnt necessarily exist in every reality of the multiverse. Abraxas said that at the moment in time Reeds other selves were dying. That gives no indication of amount. On top of that its debatable who was killing these Reeds, was it Abraxas himself or was he merely providing commentary for an event?Either way killing a single human in a number of realities doesnt equal multiversal power. Watcher can extend his power across the multiverse, so can the Contemplator that doesnt make them multiversal powers. Extending his power across realities to take out a human in each reality isnt as impressive as destroying or consuming a reality, no way near. In terms of matter and energy how insignificant is Reed Richards in relation to an entire universe?
So Abraxas taking out Reed from an undetermined amount of alternate realities doesnt necessarily compare to someone doing something that spans across and affects an entire single dimension.
This is what I mean,
again, it's the same thing over and over again,
demeaning the other character's Feats ... with gibberish.
Ok ... that's enough firefirefireph
as you wish. 🙂
