Re: Re: The Gardner w/ the Time Gem vs. The Collector w/ the Reality Gem
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
What did Collecter use his gem for?
For show. He didn't even know what it was capable of.
None of the Elders really did. Thanos only realized what power they were truly capable of after staring into the Reality Nexus.
Reality vs Time has always been the most interesting of debates.
Basically a paradox is created, how can you influence the concept of Time, on someone who controls Reality around them? Time is an aspect of Reality as is Space and everything in between.
There's only one true solution for Time,
go back to the point before the one who wields the Reality Gem made their move,
otherwise a perpetual Time Loop is created, where the TG wielder continues to rewind time while the RG person continues to fix the the concept of Time within that Spacial Reality.
IMO.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Reality vs Time has always been the most interesting of debates.Basically a paradox is created, how can you influence the concept of Time, on someone who controls Reality around them? Time is an aspect of Reality as is Space and everything in between.
There's only one true solution for Time,
go back to the point before the one who wields the Reality Gem made their move,
otherwise a perpetual Time Loop is created, where the TG wielder continues to rewind time while the RG person continues to fix the the concept of Time within that Spacial Reality.
IMO.
Exactly. I always felt that with the power gem backing up the reality gem in the Infinity Guantlet, it should've made the space and time gems redundant imo. 😬
Originally posted by batdude123
Exactly. I always felt that with the power gem backing up the reality gem in the Infinity Guantlet, it should've made the space and time gems redundant imo.
Good point, but the Gems (Reality & Power) cannot affect Reality on the same scale,
the other Four combined with these Two, give it Multiversal influence perhaps beyond that.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Good point, but the Gems (Reality & Power) cannot affect Reality on the same scale,the other Four combined with these Two, give it Multiversal influence perhaps beyond that.
I understand, it's just that other than increasing the control over reality as we know it, they really don't do much when combined with the reality gem on the Infinity Guantlets.
Originally posted by batdude123
Not really. The soul gem is still used to control the energies of the dead and the living, and the mind gem is used to read and influence everyone in the universe.
They're still parts of reality imo 😬
But did they ever flesh out what exactly the RealityGem has control over?
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
They're still parts of reality imo 😬But did they ever flesh out what exactly the RealityGem has control over?
Well, when all the gems are combined together, they give the user complete control over "everything that is."
Billions of years ago, the gems were linked together as a being, so to speak, who was literally a part of everything. He was everything, and everything was him.
Master is correct, in that all of them put together simply give you control over... everything. 😬
And when Thanos demonstrated what the reality gem was capable of to the Collector, he warped the time/space continuum, and it became all screwed up.
Originally posted by batdude123
I understand, it's just that other than increasing the control over reality as we know it, they really don't do much when combined with the reality gem on the Infinity Guantlets.
I see what you mean,
And I agree.
But I must add, the difference in scale is dramatic.
While the RG & PG can control a Galaxy or pocket Universe at best, the IG according to the LT in the Rune series can bring about the demise of atleast Two MultiverseS, one of them being the house of the 616 Universe.
Originally posted by Mr Master
I see what you mean,And I agree.
But I must add, the difference in scale is dramatic.
While the RG & PG can control a Galaxy or pocket Universe at best, the IG according to the LT in the Rune series can bring about the demise of atleast Two MultiverseS, one of them being the house of the 616 Universe.
Yes, the difference is scale.
However, when you think about it, if the power gem truly is "a limitless source of energy," then with it backing up the reality gem, it should produce the same results. 😛
Originally posted by batdude123
Well, when all the gems are combined together, they give the user complete control over "everything that is."Billions of years ago, the gems were linked together as a being, so to speak, who was literally a part of everything. He was everything, and everything was him.
Master is correct, in that all of them put together simply give you control over... everything. 😬
And when Thanos demonstrated what the reality gem was capable of to the Collector, he warped the time/space continuum, and it became all screwed up.
I agree.
In Warlock Chronicles the Reality Gem alone had created a rift that was threatening the enitre Universe, the 616 Reality that is.
The Gems individualy can still affect the Universe entire in an indirect fashion it seems.
Rune froze the 616 Time Stream, with the Time Gem, but at that point the Gems were gaining Sentience, so perhaps they are more powerful when aware.
Originally posted by Mr Master
I agree.In Warlock Chronicles the Reality Gem alone had created a rift that was threatening the enitre Universe, the 616 Reality that is.
The Gems individualy can still affect the Universe entire in an indirect fashion it seems.
Rune froze the 616 Time Stream, with the Time Gem, but at that point the Gems were gaining Sentience, so perhaps they are more powerful when aware.
Interesting. I wonder why then he used the soul gem in an obsolete fashion. Thanos commented on how Warlock used it pretty much like an idiot.
Has there been an arc yet where someone put together all of the sentient infinity gems?
You CAN use the Reality Gem to it's fullest capabilities when it's backed by the power gem. The other gems aren't really necessary to access that level of power, they're necessary to CONTROL that level of power. This has actually been established twice on panel(once by Adam Warlock, and once by LT)...
The way I see it, the Power Gem allows the Reality Gem to work at peak capacity, and the other gems allow it to work at peak efficiency.
Originally posted by batdude123
Has there been an arc yet where someone put together all of the sentient infinity gems?
I don't think it's possible.
When Nemesis was formed, the Seven Gems combined, the Gems were struggling over control of the power they all made up, Nemesis was unable to fully realize her power, but her power was astonishing.
And now come to think of it, it was the Time Gem and Reality Gem together, that saved the day.
When Nemesis was split by the Ebony Blade, her power let out Creation Waves, that were producing one Reality after another, had it not been for the TG & RG, the Waves would have continued into Infinity and Eternity making Realities.
Originally posted by darthgoober
You CAN use the Reality Gem to it's fullest capabilities when it's backed by the power gem. The other gems aren't really necessary to access that level of power, they're necessary to CONTROL that level of power. This has actually been established twice on panel(once by Adam Warlock, and once by LT)...The way I see it, the Power Gem allows the Reality Gem to work at peak capacity, and the other gems allow it to work at peak efficiency.
I have to disagree,
that's the issue I was talking about from Warlock Chronicles,
that's not the Reality Gem at it's full capacity, that's just a Rift in Time and Space that was gradually warping Reality into madness. At full capacity the Reality Gem would have warped the entire Universe in one instant, it would have created a rift that Warlock would have not survived, like he did this one when he dove in it.
If the same results were possible, the IG would be pointless.
Originally posted by Mr Master
I have to disagree,that's the issue I was talking about from Warlock Chronicles,
that's not the Reality Gem at it's full capacity, that's just a Rift in Time and Space that was gradually warping Reality into madness. At full capacity the Reality Gem would have warped the entire Universe in one instant, it would have created a rift that Warlock would have not survived, like he did this one when he dove in it.
If the same results were possible, the IG would be pointless.
