The Gardner w/ the Time Gem vs. The Collector w/ the Reality Gem

Originally posted by leonidas

goob references the mar-vell resurrection. maybe thanos simply recreated him -- altered reality so that he wasn't dead. can't recall the contect exactly off-hand.

Originally posted by leonidas

as far as the scan you showed goob, about things going out of control -- that is what was missing. not ability, or power -- control. could someone 100% proficient in the use of the gems, with the power gem backing them, do anything with the OTHER gems that the RG wielder could do? logically, the only answer is yes. i can't recall the full context of that scan, but it stands to reason someone perfectly adept at using time/space/mind/soul/power could do anything the RG wielder could do. what other aspects exist that would be OUTSIDE their domain?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos

how's a guy supposed to live with something like that on his conscience . . .cry

ps--BATS was the one who brought up real-world logic first! 😠

cry

Originally posted by leonidas
reality is a VERY subjective beast -- like time itself is, and by association, space. it could be argued that it IS a concept.

So reality- everything that is as we know it... Earth, our solar system, the Milky Way, the universe... is nothing but an idea or principle? Space cannot be made up of something abstract like thought. It must hold a certain energy or dimension of the universe.

Damn it leo, these conversations suck! 😠

Originally posted by darthgoober
But it wasn't just require Mar-Vell not being dead. If that were the case Mar-Vell would have returned to life at either his place death or in his grave, but that wasn't the case. He was brought to life at a completely different point in space. His spirit and mind were intact.

not necessarily. you're saying 2+2=yellow, but that he couldn't just recreate mar-vell? hmmm . . .

The laws of the universe itself would still be outside their control. In other words there's no gem other than the Reality Gem that could make 2+2=Yellow.

laws of the universe=manipulation of all aspects of the universe. there MAY be aspects that the reality gem covers that the others don't but i don't know what they are -- nor do i think there were INTENDED to be others based on how the gems are described.

and i don't believe the reality gem COULD make 2+2=yellow. it's an impossibility. like asking if god can make a rock so heavy even he couldn't lift it. it's a paradox of language.

anywho, interesting discussion. 🙂

Originally posted by batdude123
So reality- everything that is as we know it... Earth, our solar system, the Milky Way, the universe... is nothing but an idea or principle? Space cannot be tangible made up of something abstract like thought.

Damn it leo, these conversations suck! 😠

😂

but WHOSE idea and concept . . .? 😖hifty:

😄

Originally posted by leonidas
and i don't believe the reality gem COULD make 2+2=yellow. it's an impossibility. like asking if god can make a rock so heavy even he couldn't lift it. it's a paradox of language.

I think that's just it though.

The RG can alter truth but not fact. The fact of our reality is that 2+2=4.

The facts of a reality where a person using the IG had declared that 2+2=Fish was truth would make sense as well and it wouldn't be possible to imagine 2+2 equaling 4.

Probably why it's considered so dangerous since if you alter something as basic as truth things can go haywire unless you have to understanding to use it. The best way to get the perspective and understanding needed is to be part of space, part of time, part of every mind and part of every soul. Once you understand all of that it's possible to actually use the RG in a practical manner.

Originally posted by leonidas
we don't know WHAT it's made of. 🙂 and you keep distinguishing between them. at their base levels they are spacetime, not space AND time. 😉

what is spacetime made of? who knows. strings of vibrating energy? wave patterns? i dunno, but i'm guessing the infinity being knew. 😄

Well, the spacetime continuum is thought of as one dimension of time and three dimensions of space. The two are just squeezed together in one word form. 313

Originally posted by leonidas
😂

but WHOSE idea and concept . . .? 😖hifty:

😄

Adam West's? lookaround

Originally posted by leonidas
not necessarily. you're saying 2+2=yellow, but that he couldn't just recreate mar-vell? hmmm . . .

Originally posted by leonidas

laws of the universe=manipulation of all aspects of the universe. there MAY be aspects that the reality gem coers that the others don't but i don't know what they are.

and i don't believe the reality gem COULD make 2+2=yellow. it's an impossibility. like asking if god can make a rock so heavy even he couldn't lift it. it's a paradox of language.

And the 2+2=Yellow thing was just an example, I don't understand how it could work either. But then again our perceptions are bound to the established laws of reality, we might understand it better if we weren't 😄 .

Originally posted by leonidas

anywho, interesting discussion. 🙂

Originally posted by leonidas
i can almost buy the scope, but that then places boundaries on the RG's ability to affect 'all of reality'. that also doesn't make sense. 😬

i think you see where i'm going, though bats. i said that to view reality logically (real-world, as you are) WOULD imply that the RG would give control over both time and space, but that control would necessarily be absolute by definition of the gem's abilities. there would be no need (as you have said) for time or space gems.

Yes, that's all I was saying in the first place. If the comic writer's used real world logic, there'd be no need for a space and a time gem with the reality gem.

Say a person had COMPLETE MASTERY over the reality gem without being hampered by how to control and harness that power... why the f*ck would that person need a space or a time gem? Huh? HUH?!! HUH??!!! 😠

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Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I think that's just it though.

The RG can alter truth but not fact. The fact of our reality is that 2+2=4.

The facts of a reality where a person using the IG had declared that 2+2=Fish was truth would make sense as well and it wouldn't be possible to imagine 2+2 equaling 4.

Probably why it's considered so dangerous since if you alter something as basic as truth things can go haywire unless you have to understanding to use it. The best way to get the perspective and understanding needed is to be part of space, part of time, part of every mind and part of every soul. Once you understand all of that it's possible to actually use the RG in a practical manner.

I like this explanation.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I like this explanation.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I like this explanation.

I don't. 😐

Originally posted by batdude123
I don't. 😐

Yeah but you suck anyway 😐

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Yeah but you suck anyway 😐

Yeah... well.... NOBODY LIKES YOU!!! mhm

Originally posted by batdude123
Yeah... well.... NOBODY LIKES YOU!!! mhm

*has an existential breakdown*

*goes off to sulk/bask in own glory*

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I like this explanation.

imagine my shock. 🙄

okay, mr paradox (like symmetric chaos isn't a paradox . . .) CAN thanos with the IG make a rock so heavy even HE couldn't left it . . .

😖hifty:

and goob -- these discussions ARE fun. and a much needed break from the tourney . . . 'stuff'. 🙂

i still disagree 2+2 can be made to equal yellow though. 😛