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But the film clearly states that a green flash is for a return of a soul to this world -- not the other way around. There is no green flash when Will, Liz & Co. cross over to the other side, right? So a green flash can't mean that it's a sign of passage between worlds.

If it doesn't indicate life, then Jack isn't really alive, right? He's just sort of a zombie thing. Green flash is when a soul returns from the dead to this world.

That opens up a whole can of worms fanfic-wise. 😉

Remember Will offers to free his father from the Dutchman. The green flash as Will is leaving is probably from the souls of the crew that he releases.

All I'm saying, surreal, is that IF the ending had Will cursed forever, that's why that ending would be horrible. Not that I'm crazy about this one, but at least after 10 years he and Liz and boy can be happy.

Ah,ha, the unexplained when Will left green flash. That got me too.

I know Gibbs said that it means the return of a soul. There was a green flash when the crew, with Jack did the up is down dance and tumped the ship over (Jack coming back). Daddy Turner was alive, Will was alive, but no heart. Will hadn't died, he was severely waning from a grieveous injury.

Davy Jones cut his heart out becos he was vexed by Calypso, broken date to the 100th power. He got all fished out when he began to pervert his mission, ferrying the souls of the dead. That according to Calypso was grief he brought on himself.

I think that Will gets outta jail free after 10 years. He serves, he turns and burns. Irritates me a huge amount that he and Elisabeth had to put their marriage on hold for 10 years. However, soldiers at war don't get to go home and hold their sweethearts. But the green flash when he goes away that evening....what's it mean? Okay, above and beyond my desire to know everything coming and going in this movie--I just so love to have all the boxes ticked off about why what happened happened.

Also, I would like to change the heading of our present course just a bit. There is this nasty little picture stuck in my brain. When Beckett called Will into his office and they were discussing what Beckett wanted from Will regarding Jack, Beckett walked over to the fireplace, picked up this little branding iron with a red-hot P, all good to go. He admired it for a good minute or so, then returned it to the fire. Was he going to brand Will? What was that all about? On the I really need an answer scale this is a 6 on the 10, so if anyone else saw it or has a clue, share please share!! Thanks a bunch.

Oh surreal that makes sense. I was really confused about that part. I thought maybe it meant a soul crossing between worlds. Whether it's from death to life or vice versa. The only thing that made me think that though was the green flash when Will left...but I think it DOES make sense about Will setting the souls of the crew free. That's probably it.

I'm not sure but I think the only point of Beckett playing around with the 'P' sign was to indicate what mark he left on Jack. That's only an opinion...maybe he did consider marking Will? Who knows! But I don't think so.

Any ways...back to WE. Yes I do hope the curse is broken after ten years...it's just cruel if it's not and too many questions rise. Will he die at the same instant as Elizabeth? Will he be free to come to shore and grow old and die? Can his heart be restored?
Which is just a bit sad. So I do hope that the curse is broken but I'm not 100% sure of it. I was starting to feel confident about it until I read the complete version of the novel which (in explaining what each character was thinking) didn't really give off the "oh we'll be together after ten years" vibe. Irritated me a bit. (and T&T were consulted on the novel so it's accurate)

I do hope T&T say something about it on the commentary.
Just a little tiny hint.

GET IT OFF ME!!!!!!!!!! GET IT OFF ME!!!!!!! I just went into the sparrabeth thread I'm disturbed... aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh! dontgetit

Hey now that's not nice 😄 just jk

See I come here all the time and you don't see me showering three times a day do you? I actually try to learn a bit too...at least now I get why people like WE and dislike JE.

yeah, I'm a sparrabether, but I still check on this forum (not to invade the w/e personal bubble) but I like to see what attracts people to W/E. I myself was comfortable with W/E until DMC, then I realized that all my favorite scenes from COTBP were the J/E scenes - lol.

Its interesting to see how people defend each pairing 🙂 Plus, its all fiction and its all a movie (you have no idea how hard it was for me to say that!) so its good to see everyone's different opinions.

Oh yes! I bet it was difficult for you to say that. It was like Jack saying "It's only a ship mate."...it's true but you don't want to believe it.

Yup it's all fictional. I stuck with this thread even though there were threats of hitting us with rocks at the beginning (lol jk I know it was a joke) and it payed off. I know we weren't exactly treating WE shippers with open arms on the sparrabeth thread but we honestly come in peace.

I mean I at least try not to talk of JE (even though I know I do) on this thread because...how would it make me feel if people turned the sparrabeth thread into a complete WE marathon? Discussion on the matter of ships should be kept to other threads...for now let's focus on Willabeth.

I've heard there's a deleted scene that supports the idea of the curse being broke...anyone read that or is it just me? I do hope even though there will be no deleted scenes that we'll get a peek at some of them. Like a deleted scene of Davy Jones was included in the 2nd DMC disc.

Originally posted by tee_pirategirl

Yup it's all fictional.

LOOOL! You have no idea how hard it was to sy that.
Especially since none of the characters seem fictional to me...that's how close I feel to them. They're real. How can they not be when they have such perfect emotions and motives I ask you?

And that is the 64thousand $ ? innit? What caused me to stop in your question was that one word that is what a (wo)man can't do--perfect. I have struggled w/ perfect til it (verb)(expletive delected)(noun, pronoun, verb?) fillintheblank.

I too find the word fictional to be a major obstacle--I have become friends (albeit, in my own mind) with these interesting characters. They don't ask too much, they give a lot, they are there when I need them, my posture has improved, and I pay lots more attention to my teeth.
They help me at work (stressful situation: I just think not as bad as dealing with a Kracken or 10 years servitude) (News I really didn't want to hear: I say, I'm embracing my inner pirate--Why is the rum always gone? Oh, that's why.)

In enjoying this trilogy, I can be proud, profane, funny, chauvnistic, superior, scared, loving, plotting, enigmatic, aloof, sly, secretive, drunken, or merely mad. All parts of the same story and All are True.
I can, when EMIP, share a lightness of thought with others and so, buoy a sad friend to a happier place. So, part of it's fictional, but the story that has me as a footnote, I'm pretty sure is real. One foot in each world gives one a lovely balanced stance, so sez I. Fair winds

lol thats EXACTLY how i feel!! Glad to know im not the only one 🙂

Ah, it finally comes back to the left side of the brain, anyone remember the movie where the kid, scrawny weakling kinda kid, kept having Chuck Norris moments throughout his life--conversations with Chuck on how to and whatever, (culminating with he finally did get to be the hero with Chuck actually showing up at this meet). I think that's kinda where I am with my pirate crew, of course, not the scrawny weakling kinda kid, cos my compass works just fine. clapping

Also, donchaknow, it's nice to know where the bad guys are. Gives me a sense of being in touch with my destiny.

I believe fiction is good. I still have imaginary friends, they're better than real ones.

better's relative, different, yes we are all equally different! I like what I have dreamed sometimes, I like what my life has grown to be, mostly I like that I am true to my code. I keep thinking about the times in PotC, or AWE when there wasn't any action, the parts we didn't see, when our friends would have been imprisoned or just moving about on the boat to get to those far off places. I can see Jack clearly, like in Port Royal, hat pulled low over his face, no reaction to most anything, just existing until the opportune moment. He had the code to heart dinnit he?

Originally posted by willofthewisp
I'm with you, Tex. I really don't like the idea of someone being immortal. People are meant to die, and as a Christian, living as long as you can still doesn't compare to finally dying and being at peace. I couldn't imagine Will and Liz and even their son being immortal and watching any friends they make grow old and die. I'm sure at one point Liz will want to see her parents again.

exactly!

although, them being immortal sounds funny.... all of them. the whole crew, them, living in one house, will and lizzie snogging each other to death(pun not intended, if there was a pun) and all that, trying to fit in every era...

that would be kinda awesome hehehe....

fiction is great for you, but only if you know the diff between the real thing and the not. I've always imagined me with two guys on my shoulder, one a pirate one a jedi, and 'talk' to them(meaning to myself) when i'm having a personal dilemma or some problem i can't tell anyone, or if i'm bored. dodgy

anyway, back to Willabeth, I do hope that the curse gets broken and both die at the same time. I can't bear the thought that one would die before the other.. too painful.

Originally posted by Jaeh_JediPirate
exactly!

although, them being immortal sounds funny.... all of them. the whole crew, them, living in one house, will and lizzie snogging each other to death(pun not intended, if there was a pun) and all that, trying to fit in every era...

Originally posted by Jaeh_JediPirate
fiction is great for you, but only if you know the diff between the real thing and the not. I've always imagined me with two guys on my shoulder, one a pirate one a jedi, and 'talk' to them(meaning to myself) when i'm having a personal dilemma or some problem i can't tell anyone, or if i'm bored. dodgy

Originally posted by Jaeh_JediPirate
anyway, back to Willabeth, I do hope that the curse gets broken and both die at the same time. I can't bear the thought that one would die before the other.. too painful.

Originally posted by miss_swann
even if it wasn't intended it was funny!

well then, thanks is in order.. 😉

Originally posted by miss_swann

that's cool I think everyone does that, but nobody admitts it. 😛

I'm crazy enough to admit it... 😛

Originally posted by miss_swann

This is why I don't understand the Sparrabethers being upset they didn't get their ending, because really neither did we.

Lemme explain. you see, willabethers are kinda lucky because at least will and lizzie got together...

sparrabeth, AWE left the whole angle and just shoved it like nothing happened in DMC! no progression, or even regression! just that, 'you killed me, so i dun like you anymore, though i still do sort of..' like, what the bloody heck is that about? Jack loves lizzie almost as much as will does, although he doesn't like to show it he does care a lot and being killed by her isn't enough to let her go....

get it?

"Ah, it finally comes back to the left side of the brain, anyone remember the movie where the kid, scrawny weakling kinda kid, kept having Chuck Norris moments throughout his life--conversations with Chuck on how to and whatever, (culminating with he finally did get to be the hero with Chuck actually showing up at this meet). I think that's kinda where I am with my pirate crew, of course, not the scrawny weakling kinda kid, cos my compass works just fine. "--------- Tex

OMIGOD! Sidekicks! I used to watch that all the time. Sorry to get off-topic but that's so cool you know it too.

OT! Get her! *attempts to pelt first tomato, then laughs*

you know i'm kidding.

funny, i get a little hyper before going to bed.. 😄