Darth Traya VS Darth Sidious

Originally posted by darthsith19
Malak being only 50% of ROTS Sidious is riduculous, in the old days people put him on par with Dooku and nowadays people put him about on level with PoD bane (slightly less that Dooku). 80% seems more reasonable, not very close but a fight between the two wouldn't be pwnage, either, seriously, 50%? That's like further away that AOTC Anakin is to Dooku.

Originally posted by darthsith19

Just putting in my 2 cents, continue debate as planned. I don't like ROTS Sidious already being #1 in terms of fighting ability so I hope you win, Glentract (I do think he would likely beat Traya, however, by a little).

The shit that any ancient sith > PT sidious is obviously from that janus era where everything is biased and shit sputs out, Its the logic era now guys where canon is canon

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
It's Lightsnake's job to prove his statement before I am expected to disprove it because he was the first to make any such assertion.

And as DS pointed out, GL called them B team. Kreia took out the three top level Masters alive with a flick of her wrist.

Would you care to repost the email? I'm worried it might have questionable context as well.

Since I don't, I'll ask anyone who does remember that time to come in, but I can recite it verbatim:
Me: When you wrote that Palpatine was the most powerful Sith in history, did you mean in regards to strength in the Force?
Dan Wallace's reply: Yes, definitely.
Though he elaborated on the 'any given Sunday' rule, he certainly made it clear to me regarding exactly what he meant.

Quit complaining when you have a direct statement disproving you.

Malak hasnt done anything impressive period. Nor did he display any force power which astonished me. Malak hell yea was powerful on the SF, sadly thats only on the star forge, revan utterly pwned him on the leviathen with out breakin sweat

No wonder why some of us labelled you dumbshit, Cuz you DEFY canon! Sidious is no1 for fighting ability according to various sources so you lose!

Originally posted by Manslayer
revan utterly pwned him on the leviathen with out breakin sweat

According to who? You? Your fantasies aren't canon.

Substantiate your claims. Where is this ever noted? Oh? What's that? Nowhere? Indeed, it would seem it's impossible to know as the fight itself was never elaborated upon outside of the game (and contrary to your ridiculous assertion, we see Malak stun Revan right before Bastila arrives, and Carth further notes that Malak "would've killed [them]"😉.

Its the logic era now

Ha. No.

It's Lightsnake's job to prove his statement before I am expected to disprove it because he was the first to make any such assertion.

Like hell he does; the statement calls Palpatine "the most powerful Sith Lord in history" in the context of a fight to death, not a debate in the Senate or a political argument. You have to prove that "power" in this case refers to his 'governmental control'.

And as DS pointed out, GL called them B team. Kreia took out the three top level Masters alive with a flick of her wrist.

If DS said that, he's wrong. Someone else called them "the B team", and Lucas said that they appear like that because "you've got to be Mace or Yoda to compete with Sidious."

I'd like to know who calls those 3 tools, the best the order has ever produced, because they haven't shown anything on the level of god knows how many saber duelists.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Absolute Bullshit and lies:
Someone ASKED GL why Mace broguht the B-team to fight Sidious.
His response: YOu need to be Yoda or Mace to contend with Palpatine

Those three were described as three of the top the Order ever produced
Whoops, sorry

They lead an order consisting of...THEMSELVES! Wow! Palpatine killed people with much more going for them.
There wasn't even an Order for that trio to lead. I've yet to see proof they were impressive

It's sense:
Why would Palpatine be regarded with power in a combat scenario?
I'm sure Nihilus and Ragnos and revan were all referred to with political power.
Newsflash, Glenny: power in context of Force users= power in the Force

If I still had it, I would.

Since I don't, I'll ask anyone who does remember that time to come in, but I can recite it verbatim:
Me: When you wrote that Palpatine was the most powerful Sith in history, did you mean in regards to strength in the Force?
Dan Wallace's reply: Yes, definitely.
Though he elaborated on the 'any given Sunday' rule, he certainly made it clear to me regarding exactly what he meant.

Quit complaining when you have a direct statement disproving you.

And for that, you have my respect.

Face it, Glen. You lost. Palpatine is more powerful than any Sith before or after him. The NEC states it, ROTS novel states it, logic states it.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
I'd like to know who calls those 3 tools, the best the order has ever produced, because they haven't shown anything on the level of god knows how many saber duelists.

If memory serves: the omniscient narrator and, later, Obi-Wan. One fight doesn't necessarily translate to one being a tool, either. According to Lucas, the PT was the "prime of the Jedi", anyways.

You have any specific sources because I have my doubts as to their abilities.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
You have any specific sources because I have my doubts as to their abilities.

The Revenge of the Sith novelization (G-canon).

Originally posted by Advent

According to who? You? Your fantasies aren't canon.

Substantiate your claims. Where is this ever noted? Oh? What's that? Nowhere? Indeed, it would seem it's impossible to know as the fight itself was never elaborated upon outside of the game (and contrary to your ridiculous assertion, we see Malak stun Revan right before Bastila arrives, and Carth further notes that Malak "would've killed [them]"😉.
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Originally posted by Advent

Ha. No.

EDIT:

Just one thing to add, when carth refered to malak could have killed them he could have refered to the time when malak was going to strike revan down after revan got stunned. Because i dont see how malak is stronger than revan especially if revan could kill malak on the starforge

Originally posted by darthsith19
I was speaking of Malak at his peak, which is star forge powered Malak, do you agree that he is more than 50% of ROTS Sidious?

Wait your so stupid to understand this so ill give dumbshit a metaphor. You know the sears towers? It had antennas to make the building higher but it DOESNT count because its not part of the structure get it? Same with malak and the starforge

Originally posted by darthsith19

What the f*ck is wrong with you? Honestly, how can I lose a debate I was never even involved in? You need to read more carefully, you f*cking dumbass. show me where in this thread I defied canon. If you can, if not you are one official dumbass, not to mention a regular jackass.

don't like ROTS Sidious already being #1 in terms of fighting ability so I hope you win, Glentract (.

Dont like canon huh?

Originally posted by Manslayer
And for what reason must malak stun revan? Its a possibility that malak couldnt handle revan at all thus why he had to stun him. Yes this is my assumption so its not proven but ill concede

You under-rate Malak too much.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Who says that Malak was not handling Revan on leviathan? He alone managed to put up a decent fight against 3 powerful and vastly experienced warriors

He fought Revan and Revan only. He used stasis field on Bastila and Carth.

In the end, Bastilla had to sacrifice herself to save Revan and Carth from the possibility of destruction and defeat.

You under-rate Malak too much.

She did that as a act of distraction. I doubt Revan would of lost that battle against Malak.

Originally posted by Manslayer
Sadly thats only ON THE STAR FORGE moron, and its only amplfying his powers you dumbshit.

So stop making baseless comments. You can actually do better then this.

The Star Forge indeed indirectly gave him some sort of booster due to strong presense of the Dark Side on it but that booster was enjoyed by all the other Sith on the Star Forge and they did not seemed too tough to handle.

Originally posted by Manslayer
Wait your so stupid to understand this so ill give dumbshit a metaphor. You know the sears towers? It had antennas to make the building higher but it DOESNT count because its not part of the structure get it? Same with malak and the starforge

Only Malak became powerful enough to be considered as nearly unstoppable because he understood the secrets of the Star Forge very deeply and could influence it's actions and he also had made certain preparations that would help him in the final fight.

Bastilla was the only person who was directly aided by the power of the Star Forge during her fight with TPK Revan. TPK Revan was too powerful for her to handle by herself.

But in case of the final fight, Malak only used the Star Forge to put those Jedi in Stasis Form, so that he could Drain there energies by himself, when necessary. Star Forgr itself was never replenishing his energies.

Originally posted by ThoraxeRMG
He fought Revan and Revan only. He used stasis field on Bastila and Carth.

Then he decided to deal with Revan alone and he instantly Force Stunned Bastilla and Carth.

And Revan and Malak than fought and Malak was about to defeat him in the end when Bastilla struck at the right time.

Malak countered her move too and she decided to sacrifice herself to let Revan and Carth escape.

In all, Malak indeed had fought against those 3 people. But he was powerful enough to make things work in his way.

Originally posted by ThoraxeRMG
She did that as a act of distraction. I doubt Revan would of lost that battle against Malak.

Revan was Force Stunned by Malak and in such a state he was 100% vulerable to any attack from Malak and Malak would have sliced him in to two, if Bastilla has not struck Malak at the right time.

Originally posted by Manslayer
Those jedi werent "The most powerful" of that time simply because they havnt done anything impressive.

Kavar was specially the battle-master of his age and was among the greatest swordsmen in his time.

Originally posted by ThoraxeRMG
Kavar lost to malak and malak is only half of what sidious it,

I will not call someone who is stated to wield devastating Dark Side power as only 50% of Sidious.

Originally posted by ThoraxeRMG
Sidious will rape kreia and badly

That explains it, alot but as i said, He wouldnt be as strong as he was on the SF had he been some where else. On the SF he has all the resources to back him up, Would he have them at lets say if he fought bane on vjun? Doubt it

And the simple point i was trying to make is like what iv been saying, He isnt so powerful in other areas

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Who says that Malak was not handling Revan on leviathan? He alone managed to put up a decent fight against 3 powerful and vastly experienced warriors and Revan was one of them. In the end, Bastilla had to sacrifice herself to save Revan and Carth from the possibility of destruction and defeat.

You under-rate Malak too much.

Malak deflected carths blaster fire, hell yea thats impressive, stunned bastila, very impressive
If malak is so great, why would he even need to stun revan in the first place and before that force push him so malak can flee.
We have no idea how it fared but from what iv seen i doubt he actually "handled" revan until he stunned him

I will not be surpised if Kriea instakills his sorry @ss even before the fight begins! Now why i am not suprised you said this? You obviously are unhappy that sidious > kreia canonically and ohh yea just because it worked on a few jedi who has yet to do anything impressive?

But would it worked on some one more powerful than her? Hell no and kavar did say he lost to malak in a saber duel(i may be wrong)

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Who told you that Malak is only 50% of Sidious? Can you provide me any evidence to support your assertion?

I will not call someone who is stated to wield devastating Dark Side power as only 50% of Sidious.

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