Originally posted by Darth Sexy
That's ok, but me not being included in the select few who have some reasoning skills, makes me think Advent wants what she can't have. Actually I don't care, I look better than all of you. Did I ever know that I'm your hero? I'm everything you wish you could be. I could fly higher than an eagle. Because I am the wind beneath your wings..
Lay off the LSD. 馃槢
Originally posted by darthsith19Agreed then
Yes, and that was the Malak I was referring to, ignoramus. Do you agree that that version of Malak is more than 50% of Sidious?
Originally posted by darthsith19Dimbshit. malak in his prime = on the star forge when he has back up and resources. Malak anywhere else = a different thing, He wouldnt be as strong.
Okay, now I'll tell youe dumbshit mind something - I was referring to [b]Malak in his prime. Malak in his prime = Star Forge Powered Malak, so your fvcking metaphor doesn't mean shit. It only proves your incapability to read. [/B]
Dumbshit
Originally posted by darthsith19
No, I never said that, show me where I said that, dipshit. Looks like your having bad reading comprehension again. Show me where I defied canon. Oh wait, you can't? You must be a total dumbass then for trying to say that I did. I said I hope he proves that ROTS Sidious isn't the strongest Sith. I never said that I want Traya to be above Sidious, however, on the contrary:
Well then you blatantly are being a dumbass, If you actually think sidious would beat kreia and yet you want glentract to win an argueent of kreia > sidious Then you ARE indeed a moron
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDWhich doesnt mean he "dominated" revan as you were fond of speaking off
You should note that Malak only used two kinds of Force attacks on Revan.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDSo? That didnt mean he got "Dominated". Being dominated is when your opponent keeps attacking you relentlessly and all you can do is defend and not even fight back which in this case revan did, Revan DID put up a fight.
Now when both of these attacks were launched, Revan failed to counter these Force moves and became a victim twice.
I dont understand you legend, You ALWAYS argue things which are irrelevant and off topic
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDSo? I never denied he was strong in the force but one thing i dont like is your are severely overrating malak, You once even said revan and malak can take down the most powerful incarnation of luke and yougot your ass handed to you by 4 people, Advent, gideon, darth sexy and lightsnake
As it is mentioned in a source, Malak was said to wield devastating Dark Side power, which means that he was strong in the Force and his Force Mastery was indeed impressive.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDRight while sidious is clearly more brilliant in a fight situation compared to kreia and again prove the force drain will kill sidious
Being more powerful is not enough to give you victory in all kinds of situations. You have to make an effort and some other factors are also involved.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDI never said he willingly lost. Revans goal was to escape the ship. Not kill malak. malak bumping into him surly suprised him
I believe that Revan was indeed disturbed by the revelation and that limited his focus but this does not means that he willingly lost to Malak and did not tried hard enough. He wanted to teach Malak a lesson but the scenario turned out to be the opposite.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDProblably
Just remember that what happened during Vader vs Obi-Wan scenario in the Mustafar. Vader despite being better lost because of not thinking clearly or being emotionally disturbed. Still Vader tried hard against Obi-Wan. So Revan's case might be similar to that of Vader during his fight on Leviathan against the Dark Lord.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDOver power? Seriously legend, Landing a force attack = to revan getting over powered? You seriously make me laugh.
But Malak remained focused and managed to over-power Revan in the end.
Dorak already stated revan is far ahead than malak in lightsaber skills
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDWhich is exactly what malak did sadly. Your comments are hilarious. "1force attack landed = you dominate your opponent"
And "Malak just stunned Revan" is the lamest comment, I have yet read in this thread. You make it sound like that every Tom, Dick and harry can stun Revan in a single combat? 馃檮
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDSorry. Malak hasnt done anything impressive, if its stunning revan with stasis exar kun did it better, on a hundred thousand people. Hardly anything he did in kotor is impressive
Think about it! What level of Force Mastery would be required to overpower a person (who is considered to be the single greatest warrior of his age)? This is why I believe that Malak is among the elites of KOTOR period because he is capable of performing impressive feats at the right time. Only a little focus is required to understand them.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDVaapad and force drain are 2 different things
These are the details that I know. But the thing is that [b]Vaapad was enough to stop Sidious. Now just think that why would instakill be not enough to stop Sidious?[/B]
By the way kreias "insta kill" isnt disputed as an insta kill because she used it on inferior jedi masters who had either no resistence or no defence and mind you sidious has very high resistence in the force, higher than any sith due to him being the strongest
Vaapad is a form which reflects the opponents hate and power against him
Force drain merely drains your opponent
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDRight and it is all because maul never took obi wan seriously
I know the details but it was a single Force move that enabled Obi-Wan to surprise attack Maul and Maul was decimated.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDIt is. if you actually bothered to pay attention when you examine the jedis body it said they were drained of life while the "insta" kill is also animated in a force drain motion
[b]Instakill is not a simple Force Drain. First, correct your knowledge.[/B]
While wookiepedia whom you love to use also states her "insta kill" is a force drain and by the way it said "Quickly kill its enemies" It wasnt an insta kill because it took a few seconds for their lives to be sucked out completely
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDWhich is precisely what kreias attack is.
And a Force Drain technique can work against anybody unless the defender knows how to defend against it.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDWell you said timing of the attack is critical. I merely argued against you using your own logic.
Force Crush is an application of the Force that can be countered by some defensive abilities.
Defensive abilities right? Sure, same thing will happen is sidious uses his defence against traya's "Insta kill"
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDYour actually assuming traya gets to hit him with the force drain and even if she does sidious will resist it due to his strength in the force or throw up a force shield before hand since sidious would be able to fore see her attacks. I doubt kreia would fore see sidious attacks since he used the dark side to cloud the entire jedi councils sensing of who sidious is
If instakill will not instantly kill Sidious, and I would like to believe this because Sidious is very powerful. It will definately weaken him considerably. Sidious will used his impressive speed to quickly overwhelm Traya, if he gets close enough. Or his powerful Force Lightning will do the trick. But still Traya can execute an attack very quickly as well. She is not ordinary by any means. So it depends upon who hits who first in this fight.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDThen it is not an insta kill. Insta kill = you die the moment the attack makes contact with you. Like lukes emerald lightning. And vrook, hasnt done anything impressive sadly and again, The drain isnt an insta kill as the cut scene depicted
Vrook was able to tolerate the initial deadly attack to a certain extent, so he was not weak.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDAbove revan? And drews opinion isnt canon until approved by officials
And Malak is among the top duelists of his time. Ask [b]Drew, if you have any doubts.
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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDAnd here you blatantly contradict yourself, First you ramble about how they died with one hit, Then you told me vrook took a few seconds to die after getting hit. Then again i just refuted your assumption of trayas "Insta kill"
Well! you have a point in this case. But still it takes Exile some effort to defeat them all. Traya however destroyed them instantly with a single Force move. Just notice the difference.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDAnd just because traya has force drain, it also doesnt mean she would take down some one of a higher level than she is
No matter how powerful a person can be, it does not makes him immune or invincible to powerful Force attacks. Just remember that Sidious is not invincible, like some people would like to portray him.
Originally posted by AdventThank you for saying this.
You do realize that, of course, the time line for these events makes your comparison faulty? Darth Sidious' power in the aforementioned displays of Force lightning came twenty years after Revenge of the Sith. His strength in the Force has grown vastly since.
Now atleast dumbshit (darthsith) would realise simple commonsense sense
Originally posted by Manslayer
Which doesnt mean he "dominated" revan as you were fond of speaking off
Originally posted by Manslayer
So? That didnt mean he got "Dominated". Being dominated is when your opponent keeps attacking you relentlessly and all you can do is defend and not even fight back which in this case revan did, Revan DID put up a fight.
Check this line: "Revan actually dominated the fight from the start but Malak soon turned the tide through his impressive Force Mastery."
And then I even provided the reason that why this happened and hence I mentioned this "Though Revan was also a bit emotionally disturbed after the revelation, so that might have limited his focus and Malak took advantage."
But the point is that Revan did failed and was about to be killed by Malak, but a timely interference from Bastilla saved him.
The problem is that you have not yet grabbed the whole picture of that fight.
Originally posted by Manslayer
I dont understand you legend, You ALWAYS argue things which are irrelevant and off topic
Originally posted by Manslayer
So? I never denied he was strong in the force but one thing i dont like is your are severely overrating malak,
Originally posted by Manslayer
You once even said revan and malak can take down the most powerful incarnation of luke and yougot your ass handed to you by 4 people, Advent, gideon, darth sexy and lightsnake
Originally posted by Manslayer
Right while sidious is clearly more brilliant in a fight situation compared to kreia and again prove the force drain will kill sidious
Originally posted by Manslayer
I never said he willingly lost. Revans goal was to escape the ship. Not kill malak. malak bumping into him surly suprised him
Problably
Bastilla Shan could sense Malak's presence and she knew that Malak was coming but Revan shrugged her fears off and wanted to confront Malak. His wish however soon came true when Malak stopped the team, which was on it's way to the hanger. Thus, Revan's goal was not just limited to escaping the ship.
Originally posted by Manslayer
Over power? Seriously legend, Landing a force attack = to revan getting over powered? You seriously make me laugh.
But if that Force attack penetrates Revan's defenses and Revan is fully effected by the attack. Then this is over-powering and this logic applies to all the people in Star Wars and not just Revan.
Originally posted by Manslayer
Dorak already stated revan is far ahead than malak in lightsaber skills
Which is exactly what malak did sadly. Your comments are hilarious. "1force attack landed = you dominate your opponent"
Originally posted by Manslayer
Sorry. Malak hasnt done anything impressive,
- Malak once defeated Revan in a duel on the Leviathan. Yeah! he has not done anything impressive? 馃檮
- Malak was declared to be a War Hero like Revan because of his impressive feats in the Mando Wars. Yeah! he has not done anything impressive? 馃檮
- Malak became nearly unstoppable at the end of the JCW. But yeah! he has not done anything impressive? 馃檮
- Malak destroyed the two Jedi Knights in front of the eyes of Revan and yet Revan despite being "the single greatest warrior of his age" could not save them. Yeah! Malak has not done anything impressive? 馃檮
- Malak managed to break the will of a strong and promising Jedi called "Bastilla Shan" and turned her to the dark side. Yeah! he has not done anything impressive 馃檮
- When Duron Qel Droma saw visions of Malak. He got very scared by the display of power that Malak had unleashed. Yeah! Malak has not done anything impressive 馃檮
Get out of this Malak sucks syndrome.
Originally posted by Manslayer
if its stunning revan with stasis exar kun did it better, on a hundred thousand people. Hardly anything he did in kotor is impressive
Revan can counter a Force based move? Can he not?
Originally posted by Manslayer
Vaapad and force drain are 2 different things
Originally posted by Manslayer
By the way kreias "insta kill" isnt disputed as an insta kill because she used it on inferior jedi masters who had either no resistence or no defence and mind you sidious has very high resistence in the force, higher than any sith due to him being the strongest
Originally posted by Manslayer
Vaapad is a form which reflects the opponents hate and power against him
Originally posted by Manslayer
Force drain merely drains your opponent
Originally posted by Manslayer
Right and it is all because maul never took obi wan seriously
It is.
Originally posted by Manslayer
if you actually bothered to pay attention when you examine the jedis body it said they were drained of life while the "insta" kill is also animated in a force drain motion
Originally posted by Manslayer
While wookiepedia whom you love to use also states her "insta kill" is a force drain and by the way it said "Quickly kill its enemies" It wasnt an insta kill because it took a few seconds for their lives to be sucked out completely
When Sidious attacked Yoda in the senate. Yoda was over-whelmed by the attack because the attack happened so quickly that he did not got sufficient time to react.
Originally posted by Manslayer
Well you said timing of the attack is critical. I merely argued against you using your own logic.
Originally posted by Manslayer
Defensive abilities right? Sure, same thing will happen is sidious uses his defence against traya's "Insta kill"
Originally posted by Manslayer
Your actually assuming traya gets to hit him with the force drain and even if she does sidious will resist it due to his strength in the force or throw up a force shield before hand since sidious would be able to fore see her attacks.
Originally posted by Manslayer
I doubt kreia would fore see sidious attacks since he used the dark side to cloud the entire jedi councils sensing of who sidious is
Originally posted by Manslayer
Then it is not an insta kill. Insta kill = you die the moment the attack makes contact with you. Like lukes emerald lightning. And vrook, hasnt done anything impressive sadly and again, The drain isnt an insta kill as the cut scene depicted
Originally posted by Manslayer
Above revan? And drews opinion isnt canon until approved by officials
And here you blatantly contradict yourself,
Originally posted by Manslayer
First you ramble about how they died with one hit, Then you told me vrook took a few seconds to die after getting hit. Then again i just refuted your assumption of trayas "Insta kill"
Originally posted by Manslayer
And just because traya has force drain, it also doesnt mean she would take down some one of a higher level than she is
Legend i deleted the other half of your "Replies" Due to them being irrelevant to this topic we are argueing
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDNot just that. You tried to argue that malak and revan CAN take down luke too.That was a debate on the subject of Force Lightning. Seriously, get your eyes checked.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDYou just said revan got overpowered and yet you never said howLanding a Force attack on Revan is not getting over-powered.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDYet revan didnt throw a defence to the force stun
But if that Force attack penetrates Revan's defenses and Revan is fully effected by the attack. Then this is over-powering and this logic applies to all the people in Star Wars and not just Revan.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDActually, revan was the better duelist and malak stunned revan and was about to strike him down, It sure is impressive- Malak once [b]defeated
Revan in a duel on the Leviathan. Yeah! he has not done anything impressive? 馃檮
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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDLol war hero as in aiding revan against the mandalorians. And become a "war hero" doesnt mean you became one using the force, I am very impressed
- Malak was declared to be a [b]War Hero like Revan because of his impressive feats in the Mando Wars. Yeah! he has not done anything impressive? 馃檮 [/B]
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDLol due to him being able to replenish his energies on the star forge yet getting constantly beaten by his former friend, sure is impresside
- Malak became nearly unstoppable at the end of the JCW. But yeah! he has not done anything impressive? 馃檮
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDLol killing an already dying jedi sure is impressive and killing another with a lightsaber is also sure impressive
- Malak destroyed the two Jedi Knights in front of the eyes of Revan and yet Revan despite being "the single greatest warrior of his age" could not save them. Yeah! Malak has not done anything impressive? 馃檮
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDLol turning bastila to the dark side with words but not with the force, sure is impressive
- Malak managed to break the will of a strong and promising Jedi called "Bastilla Shan" and turned her to the dark side. Yeah! he has not done anything impressive 馃檮
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDLol at what power malak unleashed? On who? On what?
- When Duron Qel Droma saw visions of Malak. He got very scared by the display of power that Malak had unleashed. Yeah! Malak has not done anything impressive 馃檮
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDI will if you stop potraying malak as a god
Get out of this Malak sucks syndrome.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDHmm i was merely pointing out if malak could stun revan and thats impressive as you would claim then what exar kun has done surely must put him above all other sith lords right? Wrong. I was pointing malak stunning a jedi who did not throw up a defence isnt "impressive"
Exar Kun was a very powerful Sith Lord but he stunned thousands of ordinary people in the senate. Now ordinary people cannot counter a Force based move.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDThank you for backing me up, Revan didnt throw up a defence nor was prepared for malaks stun, you lose again
Revan can counter a Force based move? Can he not?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDAnd what matters is the victims resistence
They are both highly effective against Force Users and this is what really matters.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDAgain it isnt an insta kill until proven that it is, Prove to me it was an insta kill because i might as well said exar kuns force grip killed a powerful jedi is also an insta kill but guess what? It quickly killed them, Not instantly killed them. And they were inferior jedis who have yet to do anything impressive
This is why I said that I believe that Sidious will be able to tolerate an [b]instakill attack but that will still weaken him, unless instakill can be successfully countered.
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Darth Traya was a master of this insidious power and used it to quickly kill her enemies
^ your good friend wookiepedia states this? Notice it doesnt say insta kill but quickly kill? It may be a insta kill to weak force users but certeinly not to a mediocore force user
Again this came from the force drain page and she used it against jedis who are below average seeing that the exile is stated to be average and she takes them down if you go an alternate path
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDWhich is precisely what kreia did as various sources pointed out, You examine the bodies and it says drained of life
Force Drain steals the life force of any living thing.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDSo now you DO agree it is a force drain. Guess what palpatine as of ROTJ has this technique as FOC proved and this traya vs sidious is ROTJ sidious so if its an insta kill as you say which it isnt, Sidious would likely use against her. Point moot
And the fact of the day is that [b]instakill is also a Force Drain technique.[/B]
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDAnd had that been a normal jedi, he would have been friend which also concludes the drain may only damage sidious by a little and where sidious can get it back by also replicating the same attack that kreia did
When Sidious attacked Yoda in the senate. Yoda was over-whelmed by the attack because the attack happened so quickly that he did not got sufficient time to react.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDAgain its a force drain and POD stated that force shields can bend the force attack away thus protecting the victim. Sidious has this technique
What defensive abilities can stop [b]instakill attack?
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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDSimple, it blocks out the attack from touching you
How can a Force Shield protect you from an [b]instakill attack?
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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDThen its obvious you never played kotor 2 or either that you are forgetful. Lets see, they ran to kreia and she struck them down with force drain which is the orange lightning thing which is indeed force drain
Show me the cut scene then!
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDYou did before but thats in the past so ill drop it
Did I said anything like that? Get your eys checked!
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDOmg did you even play kotor 2? http://youtube.com/watch?v=X8lFOfJd8uE Heres the video then. There you got your ass handed to you
You are just mentioning things but have not yet been proved by you. Show me that scene in which Traya drains those Jedi Masters and then I draw a conclusion.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDNope, As the videos showed it took 5 seconds to kill them and again they were jedi who were just around average jedis since they never did anything impressive
Her ability does provides her a chance.
Legend though this is off topic ill bet you will like this video. Its the trailer for the kotor2 restoration of cut content http://youtube.com/watch?v=IjTw8qexs8c&mode=related&search=
There you c an see nnihilus lifting exile and visas at the same time and you have an option to join nihilus
Originally posted by Manslayer
Not just that. You tried to argue that malak and revan CAN take down luke too.
Now when the duo of Revan and Malak will face him, will he not get distracted by the other when he goes for one of them?
Just remember that Star Wars is a dynamic world and not static one in which the most powerful cannot be stopped.
Originally posted by Manslayer
You just said revan got overpowered and yet you never said how
Malak over-powered Revan with the Force.
Originally posted by Manslayer
Yet revan didnt throw a defence to the force stun
Originally posted by Manslayer
Actually, revan was the better duelist and malak stunned revan and was about to strike him down, It sure is impressive
Originally posted by Manslayer
Lol war hero as in aiding revan against the mandalorians. And become a "war hero" doesnt mean you became one using the force, I am very impressed
Originally posted by Manslayer
Lol due to him being able to replenish his energies on the star forge yet getting constantly beaten by his former friend, sure is impresside
Originally posted by Manslayer
Lol killing an already dying jedi sure is impressive and killing another with a lightsaber is also sure impressive
Originally posted by Manslayer
Lol turning bastila to the dark side with words but not with the force, sure is impressive
Originally posted by Manslayer
Lol at what power malak unleashed? On who? On what?
Originally posted by Manslayer
I will if you stop potraying malak as a god
Check my list of top 10 most powerful people here: Click!
There are some people who I rank above Malak and this shows that I do not portray him like a God as you said. 馃檮
Originally posted by Manslayer
Hmm i was merely pointing out if malak could stun revan and thats impressive as you would claim then what exar kun has done surely must put him above all other sith lords right? Wrong. I was pointing malak stunning a jedi who did not throw up a defence isnt "impressive"
And Malak stunned a person who is far more powerful then those defenseless senators. Try again!
Originally posted by Manslayer
Thank you for backing me up, Revan didnt throw up a defence nor was prepared for malaks stun, you lose again
Originally posted by Manslayer
And what matters is the victims resistence
Originally posted by Manslayer
Again it isnt an insta kill until proven that it is,
You just pwned yourself by showing that video. It proves my point that timing of an attack is what can change the situation in a fight.
Originally posted by Manslayer
Prove to me it was an insta kill because i might as well said exar kuns force grip killed a powerful jedi is also an insta kill but guess what? It quickly killed them, Not instantly killed them. And they were inferior jedis who have yet to do anything impressive
And that Drain did made a short work of those Jedi Masters. In less then 1 sec, it hit them and in a total of 5 seconds, they were dead.
Originally posted by Manslayer
Darth Traya was a master of this insidious power and used it to quickly kill her enemies^ your good friend wookiepedia states this? Notice it doesnt say insta kill but quickly kill? It may be a insta kill to weak force users but certeinly not to a mediocore force user
Originally posted by Manslayer
Again this came from the force drain page and she used it against jedis who are below average seeing that the exile is stated to be average and she takes them down if you go an alternate path
Now you have truely proven yourself to be fully delusional.
Originally posted by Manslayer
Which is precisely what kreia did as various sources pointed out, You examine the bodies and it says drained of life
Originally posted by Manslayer
So now you DO agree it is a force drain. Guess what palpatine as of ROTJ has this technique as FOC proved and this traya vs sidious is ROTJ sidious so if its an insta kill as you say which it isnt, Sidious would likely use against her. Point moot
Originally posted by Manslayer
And had that been a normal jedi, he would have been friend which also concludes the drain may only damage sidious by a little and where sidious can get it back by also replicating the same attack that kreia did
Originally posted by Manslayer
Again its a force drain and POD stated that force shields can bend the force attack away thus protecting the victim. Sidious has this technique
Simple, it blocks out the attack from touching you
Remember that Traya once said that "There are some techniques in the Force, for which there is no defence".
Originally posted by Manslayer
Then its obvious you never played kotor 2 or either that you are forgetful. Lets see, they ran to kreia and she struck them down with force drain which is the orange lightning thing which is indeed force drain
Originally posted by Manslayer
Omg did you even play kotor 2? http://youtube.com/watch?v=X8lFOfJd8uE Heres the video then. There you got your ass handed to you
Originally posted by Manslayer
Nope, As the videos showed it took 5 seconds to kill them and again they were jedi who were just around average jedis since they never did anything impressive
I have already said before that timing of an attack is what can change the situation in a fight.
@ Manslayer
You however deserve a credit for showing that instakill does not instantly kills a victim. 馃槈
It instantly hits it's intended target though and is still a very deadly technique. Because when it hits a victim, it is already too late.
Originally posted by Manslayer
Legend though this is off topic ill bet you will like this video. Its the trailer for the kotor2 restoration of cut content http://youtube.com/watch?v=IjTw8qexs8c&mode=related&search=There you c an see nnihilus lifting exile and visas at the same time and you have an option to join nihilus
Thanks for sharing! 馃槈
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDNote that luke wasnt trying to even harm lumiya and that he wtf pwned her after he thought she killed his wife mara jade Anyways lets drop this, no point argueing
During a duel in LOTF, a single distraction gave Lumiya a chance to harm Luke.Now when the duo of Revan and Malak will face him, will he not get distracted by the other when he goes for one of them?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDWell in most cases the strongest does win because a case can be made for him
Just remember that Star Wars is a dynamic world and not static one in which the most powerful cannot be stopped.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDJust by stunning him?
Oh God? 馃檮Malak over-powered Revan with the [b]Force.
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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDBecause had revan threw up a defence stun wouldnt have worked and because he got hit aswell. Yoda also didnt throw up a defence to sidious thus he ended up like revan
How do you know this?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDmmhmm
And Malak got the upperhand in the end, didn't he? 馃檮
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDThat could be referring to military tactis to turn the tide. What malak did in the war with the force is unknown
Malak had done something to be declared as a "War Hero", don't you think? He would recklessly charge in to dangerous fights and still win. Malak and Revan together turned the tide of the Mando wars. Check Malak's profile in "SW Databank" for more information.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDI thought revan was the single greatest warrior of his age?
When you will face a person who is said to be the [b]"SINGLE GREATEST WARRIOR OF HIS AGE", what will you expect in such a case?
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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDWell if he was already choking them, It shows that they could not throw up a defence in time and force choke is slowly squeezing the life out of them and making them lose conciousness which makes them totally unprepared and vulnerable to his next attack which is lightning
Those Jedi were being simultaneously choked by Malak in the first place. They were not dying by natural causes. What Malak did to them was indeed an impressive display of power.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDLegend please keep this civil. Bastila told malak "Do yo u think torture will work on me" Something like that and he replied to her telling he is just showing her a taste of the dark side and at the same time he was tempting her
Idiot, Malak was torturing her with his [b]Force Lightning. He turned indeed her to the dark side but not by his words.
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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDMalak is powerful like i said...
On various Jedi including Bastilla Shan and Revan. Duron's words were [b]"World Dying....Sith so powerful"
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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDok i drop that, im sorry
Your igorance is not going to change my view. I give credit to Malak where it is due.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDId actually bump some of them off your list and add malak and vader in. What happened to them anyway??
Check my list of top 10 most powerful people here: Click!
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDOk im sorry
There are some people who I rank above Malak and this shows that I do not portray him like a God as you said. 馃檮
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDBecause we didnt see revan try. So are you also saying that yoda was trying to defend against sidious initial attack?
A very baseless argument. How can you say that Revan was not trying to defend against Malak's attacks?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDWell if kun can spread his attack to stun thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people i think he would rather do it well on one single jedi. Irrelevant to the point so ill drop it here
And Malak stunned a person who is far more powerful then those defenseless senators. Try again!
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDBecause revan was caught by suprise. As was yoda from sidious
You are delusional actually. I said that Revan is capable enough to counter a Force Move but he still failed to counter the Force moves by Malak on Leviathan.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDBastila also didnt expect to get stunned because malak drew out his saber, she was expecting him to strike with the saber. And carth is no force user so he too got stunned
And Malak penetrated any resistances of his opponents on the leviathan.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDIf you watched the video it took 5 seconds actually and no it isnt a insta kill. Its a force drain
[b]Instakill is the name of her Draining technique. It just indicates that her Drain can quickly kill people even before they can react. But did you noticed the speed with which her Drain hit those Jedi Masters? It hit them in less then 1 second.[/B]
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDI didnt. I actually proved it wasnt an insta kill. 5 seconds it took to kill them. While it does prove timing is critical. It doesnt disprove the fact that a powerful force user can resist it
You just pwned yourself by showing that video. It proves my point that [b]timing of an attack is what can change the situation in a fight.[/B]
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDAnd they were below the exile in power when the exile was stated to be average. Just because you are a master doesnt mean you are uber or battle hardened. The jedi masters during ROTS got kicked and killed by clone troopers
Those Jedi were actually "Jedi Masters" and they were battle-hardened and experienced. You again fail to see a bigger picture here.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDIf it was really an instakill it would touch them for a second and then retract. The only reason why it stuck to them for 5 seconds is because it took 5 seconds to kill them
And that Drain did made a short work of those Jedi Masters. In less then 1 sec, it hit them and in a total of 5 seconds, they were dead.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDNamed by who? Various sources named it a force drain. Not an insta kill. If you mean it was "dubbed" an instakill then it is debatable.
Traya's drain technique is known as "instakill" and it was not named as such by me. You are arguing over the names of the techniques now.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDSince they havnt done anything impressive or display anything with the force
Those Jedi Masters are now below average? This is it! 馃檮
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDOh wait i think you are right because palpatines drain is identical to nihilus since he drained the planet of byss
Palpatine's draining technique is different from that of Traya. Point not moot.Those Jedi Masters are now below average? This is it! 馃檮
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDIt deflected banes force wave and force shield is a larger scale of force dissipate which blocked lightning from sidious and shielded luke skywalker from a blast from an ATAT which has enough fire power to take down massive structures
Force Shields can reduce the damage of Force attacks including that of Drain techniques but it doesn not fully protects you from the effects of very powerful Drain techniques.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDThat was nihilus force drain which has no defence and hers is a force drain. Not a severing force technique like nihilus and sadly she has never learnt of the fallanasi looping technique which by rotj sidious learnt
Remember that Traya once said that [b]"There are some techniques in the Force, for which there is no defence".[/B]
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDSee the above few posts. I already answered that
She Force Waved them first. And then she drained them in the second attack. Her drain touched them in less then 1 sec and after that, it was game over for those Jedi Masters.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDAll techniques are fast. Crush is even faster which sidious mastered
It does shows that how quickly Traya's Drain can reach her target.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDThen it isnt a insta kill
It took 4 seconds for them to die. But they were hit in less then 1 sec.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDSure is
I have already said before that [b]timing of an attack is what can change the situation in a fight. [/B]
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDNo doubt it is indeed dangerous but sidious does have a resistence. To how greatly it can effect him is a debate
@ ManslayerYou however deserve a credit for showing that instakill does not instantly [b]kills
a victim. 馃槈It instantly hits it's intended target though and is still a very deadly technique. Because when it hits a victim, it is already too late.
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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDYes and i hope lucasarts take notice of it and decide to make the new events canon because from what i read the full story of kotor 2 is very very epic
Very interesting video indeed. That restoration Mod will actually increase the replay value of KOTOR II game and I am eagerly waiting to try this Mod.Thanks for sharing! 馃槈
Dimbshit. malak in his prime = on the star forge when he has back up and resources. Malak anywhere else = a different thing, He wouldnt be as strong.Dumbshit
Well then you blatantly are being a dumbass, If you actually think sidious would beat kreia and yet you want glentract to win an argueent of kreia > sidious Then you ARE indeed a moron
Originally Posted by Kadesh
which meant that you wanted him to win the debate of kreia > ROTS sidious which is AGAINST CANON!
[i]Originally Posted by darthsith19
I said I hope he proves that ROTS Sidious isn't the strongest Sith. I never said that I want Traya to be above Sidious
Originally posted by darthsith19Never argued against that
You moron, when did I ever disagree with this? You just proved my point, that mMalak on the star forge is Malak in his prime. Thanks, you dumb fvck.
Originally posted by darthsith19Lol dumbshit even though i was babbling the wrong thing. My point still stands you ARE still defying canon which will further bring you down in the dumbass ranks
The thing is, I [b]DON't want Glentract to prove that Traya > Sidious, I want him to prove that Sidious isn't the strongest Sith ever at the time of ROTS.You were saying? Moron, fvcking dipshit @$$hole who can't read. Think before posting, goodbye. [/B]
Originally posted by Manslayer
Well in most cases the strongest does win because a case can be made for him
Originally posted by Manslayer
Just by stunning him?
Originally posted by Manslayer
Because had revan threw up a defence stun wouldnt have worked and because he got hit aswell. Yoda also didnt throw up a defence to sidious thus he ended up like revan
And Revan was actually stunned by Malak during the fight. While Yoda was not fighting Sidious when he got hit by Sidious's Lightning attack. So there is some sort of difference in both the cases.
Still I think that Revan's limited focus was also partly responsible in this failure, but let us not forget that Malak was a very powerful and experienced Sith Lord at that time and Revan also had limited training to use against him.
Originally posted by Manslayer
mmhmm
Originally posted by Manslayer
That could be referring to military tactis to turn the tide. What malak did in the war with the force is unknown
There are speculations that Revan was also using the Force to a large extent during the Mando Wars.
Originally posted by Manslayer
I thought revan was the single greatest warrior of his age?
When you face a person that powerful, your chances of victory become dim. And Malak was no exception.
Also let us not forget that when Revan again confronted Darth Malak on the Star Forge, he enjoyed following things:
1) All the useful and necessary knowledge and training from the Jedi Council on Dantooine.
2) All the useful and necessary knowledge and training from the Sith Masters in the Sith Academy in Korriban. Revan also again explored the tombs of the famous Ancient Sith Lords and once again studied there secrets and even kept some of the things with him like "the holocron of Tulak Hord" and some powerful Sith Swords etc.
3) His past memories were also returning or recovering.
4) Immense Raw Power (As evident from his success in the massive fights on the Star Forge)
5) And this time, he was now fighting with a clear mind.
Originally posted by Manslayer
Well if he was already choking them, It shows that they could not throw up a defence in time
Originally posted by Manslayer
and force choke is slowly squeezing the life out of them and making them lose conciousness which makes them totally unprepared and vulnerable to his next attack which is lightning
Originally posted by Manslayer
Legend please keep this civil. Bastila told malak "Do yo u think torture will work on me" Something like that and he replied to her telling he is just showing her a taste of the dark side and at the same time he was tempting her
Originally posted by Manslayer
Malak is powerful like i said...
And according to the latest news, he is considered to be among the hard hitters of the Jedi/Sith Order in the "Champions of the Force" list along with Darth Bane and Jaina Solo.
His description is like this: "Darth Malak is a straightforward lightsaber combatant. True to his character, his abilities and powers focus on attacking his enemies head on. His high Defense and Attack scores enable him to take on strong opponents, and he can increase his damage through Sith Rage when desired.
Here are some stats comparison:
Darth Malak: 120, 20, 15, 20 (Force Points: 4)
Darth Nihilus: 100, 19, 12, 20 (Force Points: 5)
Darth Bane: 200, 20, 16, 30 (Force Points: 2)
Darth Sidious [ROTS]: 130, 19, 14, 20 (Force Points: 2)
Darth Vader [OT]: 140, 22, 15, 20 (Force Points: 4)
Originally posted by Manslayer
Id actually bump some of them off your list and add malak and vader in. What happened to them anyway??
But like I said before, it is very hard to rank the most powerful Jedi and Sith. And these lists are dynamic for me because things change with passage of time.
Originally posted by Manslayer
Because we didnt see revan try. So are you also saying that yoda was trying to defend against sidious initial attack?
Originally posted by Manslayer
Well if kun can spread his attack to stun thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people i think he would rather do it well on one single jedi. Irrelevant to the point so ill drop it here
Originally posted by Manslayer
Because revan was caught by suprise. As was yoda from sidious
Originally posted by Manslayer
Bastila also didnt expect to get stunned because malak drew out his saber, she was expecting him to strike with the saber. And carth is no force user so he too got stunned
Originally posted by Manslayer
If you watched the video it took 5 seconds actually and no it isnt a insta kill. Its a force drain
Originally posted by Manslayer
I didnt. I actually proved it wasnt an insta kill. 5 seconds it took to kill them. While it does prove timing is critical. It doesnt disprove the fact that a powerful force user can resist it
Originally posted by Manslayer
And they were below the exile in power when the exile was stated to be average.
Originally posted by Manslayer
Just because you are a master doesnt mean you are uber or battle hardened. The jedi masters during ROTS got kicked and killed by clone troopers
Whereas, many Jedi Masters of PT period were not so battle-hardened and experienced and when the war broke out, may of them became easy victims. It shows their lack of experience.
Originally posted by Manslayer
If it was really an instakill it would touch them for a second and then retract. The only reason why it stuck to them for 5 seconds is because it took 5 seconds to kill them
Originally posted by Manslayer
Named by who? Various sources named it a force drain. Not an insta kill. If you mean it was "dubbed" an instakill then it is debatable.
Originally posted by Manslayer
Since they havnt done anything impressive or display anything with the force
Originally posted by Manslayer
Oh wait i think you are right because palpatines drain is identical to nihilus since he drained the planet of byss
Nihilus however quickly destroyed an entire planet with a very powerful application of Force Drain and that too in offensive manner.
Originally posted by Manslayer
It deflected banes force wave and force shield is a larger scale of force dissipate which blocked lightning from sidious and shielded luke skywalker from a blast from an ATAT which has enough fire power to take down massive structures
Originally posted by Manslayer
That was nihilus force drain which has no defence and hers is a force drain. Not a severing force technique like nihilus
Originally posted by Manslayer
and sadly she has never learnt of the fallanasi looping technique which by rotj sidious learnt
Originally posted by Manslayer
All techniques are fast. Crush is even faster which sidious mastered
Originally posted by Manslayer
Then it isnt a insta kill
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDVaapad worked because it reflected sidious own hate and power against him and you bet it will be an easy fight. This is DE sidious who would easily kill her with any of his techniques and he can perform techniques she has never even heard or seen before
I agree that the strongest have more chances of victory and this is why I have stated that Sidious have more chances of victory against Traya but it will not be an easy fight at all. And we have also seen that one effective power or technique is enough to bring down a powerful person on to his knees. Mace did it with his Vaapad. Traya can also do some serious damage with her Drain.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDWow force pushing or force whirlwinding a powerful jedi = impressive then i guess the dark woman is a god since she landed attacks on vader
You forgot the Force Whirlwind part.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDGameplay mechanics arent canon
I can't say for sure that Revan used a defensive ability at that point so I will not speculate. But I will give you a hint that even if you use "Force Immunity" during that fight, Malak still manages to Force Stun you.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDBut he had ample time to put up a defence and during the fight when sidious attacked again with lightning He still managed
And Revan was actually stunned by Malak [b]during the fight. While Yoda was not fighting Sidious when he got hit by Sidious's Lightning attack. So there is some sort of difference in both the cases.
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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDRight and despite having limited training he still could fight malak rather well on the leviathen.
Still I think that Revan's limited focus was also partly responsible in this failure, but let us not forget that Malak was a very powerful and experienced Sith Lord at that time and Revan also had [b]limited training to use against him.[/B]
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDIt wasnt malak who turned the fight. He helped revan turn the fight. Goto states malaks military tactics are too obvious hence why he preferred revan
I do not consider "recklessely charging in to dangerous fights" to be some sort of military tactic to turn the tide. Malak was obviously using his personal abilities in the battles to turn the tide.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDThat is not the point. This is about malak not revan
There are speculations that Revan was also using the Force to a large extent during the Mando Wars.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDAnd traya is fighting some one of a greater league and her chances of victory are indeed Dim
When you face a person that powerful, your chances of victory become dim. And Malak was no exception.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDIrrelevant
Also let us not forget that when Revan again confronted Darth Malak on the Star Forge, he enjoyed following things:1) All the useful and necessary knowledge and training from the Jedi Council on Dantooine.
(As evident from his success in the massive fights on the Star Forge)
2) All the useful and necessary knowledge and training from the Sith Masters in the Sith Academy in Korriban. Revan also again explored the tombs of the famous Ancient Sith Lords and once again studied there secrets and even kept some of the things with him like "the holocron of Tulak Hord" and some powerful Sith Swords etc.
3) His past memories were also returning or recovering.
4) Immense [b]Raw Power
5) And this time, he was now fighting with a clear mind.
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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDOk
They failed to counter the Force Choke attack from Malak in the first place. That's why they became victims of his Force Choke attack.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDThey were in a near death state and losing conciousness because if he wasnt choking them which he was. He would be holding them in a telekenetic grip which will give them time to counter like a force push to knock his concentration
Those Jedi were being possibly weakened to some extent by the Choke but Malak was not trying to kill them with the Choke. He held them in a Gripping From, when he was talking to Revan. And those Jedi were not knocked down unconcious as a result by the Choke. Then Malak suddenly decided to show Revan some of his Force moves and he killed one with a powerful burst of Force Lightning and the other one with a Light Saber Throw attack.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDNo. bastila joined him willingly after being persuaded and tortured if she joined him because she was tortured and when revan confronted her, She would have gone back to him rather than flee to the SF
I am sorry if I offended you by that comment. Malak was using Dun Moch on her at that time but she was not giving up easily. So Malak started torturing her with his Force Lightning and after that we see her joining the Sith. And Malak clearly said "You are strong Child, but I will break you" and he did so, not with the words but with the torture from his personal powers.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDStats arent canon at all seeing exar kun having the highest stats of all and bane being above sidious
And according to the latest news, he is considered to be among the [b]hard hitters of the Jedi/Sith Order in the "Champions of the Force" list along with Darth Bane and Jaina Solo.His description is like this: "Darth Malak is a straightforward lightsaber combatant. True to his character, his abilities and powers focus on attacking his enemies head on. His high Defense and Attack scores enable him to take on strong opponents, and he can increase his damage through Sith Rage when desired.
Here are some stats comparison:
Darth Malak: 120, 20, 15, 20 (Force Points: 4)
Darth Nihilus: 100, 19, 12, 20 (Force Points: 5)
Darth Bane: 200, 20, 16, 30 (Force Points: 2)
Darth Sidious [ROTS]: 130, 19, 14, 20 (Force Points: 2)
Darth Vader [OT]: 140, 22, 15, 20 (Force Points: 4)[/B]
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDI tell you what. I honestly stopped hating malak since now i do like him. Just hate his jumpsuitI would also like to place Malak and Vader in that list and they are being verbally fellated by many sources! 馃槢
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDWell despite sidious annihilating the orders top swordsman i doubt yoda wasnt being serious
No. Yoda was blinded by his arrogance. Revan was fighting Malak on the otherhand.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDKuns goal was to stun the audience so they can see his awesome power
Accept that Kun never managed to stun the Jedi in the senate. Malak seems to be more proficient in this regard.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDAgain this is sidious vs traya so drop the malak thing. If you drop it so will i
Well! Malak can surprise as well! 馃槢
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDWell then its the same speed as force lightning but sad to say sidious force crush is instant and even faster than both lightning and drain
I was talking about the speed with which her Drain [b]hits those Jedi and not the kill time. And when it hits, it is already too late.Instakill, might not be, but it is Instahit indeed! 馃槃
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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDForce pushing a jedi = doesnt you being uber. Not saying traya isnt uber but what does she have either than her drain?
Exile was got stunned too and fell down when Traya used her Force Wave. This event alone shows that much powerful Traya was.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDRight because they fought in wars = they uber then i might as well potray vader as a force god because he slaughtered the jedis during purge who had been through 3 wars. Then being battle hardened doesnt = them to being strong. I might as well say sia lan wezz who is an utter weakling survived 3 wars but got pwned instantly by vader
Those Masters had fought in [B]The Great Sith War and Kavar had fought in some more battes as well. And those Jedi Masters also managed to survive the devastating onslaught of Darth Malak on the Dantooine in which Malak captured and killed many Jedi, which is also a feat to acknowledge. Thus this shows that those Jedi Masters were battle-hardened and experienced.[/B]
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDSometimes experience wouldnt matter seeing yoda had 800 years of it and stalemated with sidious who only had 60
Whereas, many Jedi Masters of PT period were not so battle-hardened and experienced and when the war broke out, may of them became easy victims. It shows their lack of experience.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDForce crush is faster and so is lightning
It touched them in less then one second, however it took a few seconds to kill those targets.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDNo but a high intensity drain would fit it
It is possible that it is termed simply as a Drain but it was much stronger variant of a Force Drain. Some people call it instakill but I do not know why. Anyways! lets call it a "Mega-Drain", if you like?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDBut unable to counter a force push which PT jedis and POD jedis could do
This does not disgards the fact those Jedi were batte-hardened and experienced.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDPalpatine drained them slowly because he wanted to seeing that civilians could not defend against it nor retaliate and DSSB stated so if i remember
No. Palpatine was slowly draining the inhabitants of the byss. It was indeed a powerful application of Force Drain but Palpatine never uses it in an offensive manner. This is what causes some sort of confusion.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDNihilus force drain is different. It severs you from the force completely thus without the force you die. If its a cheesy force drain why on earth would kreia label it a technique which is the greatest of sith teachings at that time and also state that it cannot be learnt when so many other sith lords can use force drain?
Nihilus however quickly destroyed an entire planet with a very powerful application of Force Drain and that too in offensive manner.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDIt wouldnt reduce. Based on the individual it can completely block out a force attack as kasim who is shit compared to sidious could barely hold off an intense force wave from bane
Force Shield will be a very effective defensive ability. It can reduce the damage caused by a powerful application of the Force Drain. Still I do not know that how successful will it be, since Force Drain is a Force attack of a very different nature then all the above mentioned things.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDNo. Nihilus one does
Traya's Force Drain does not severs Force from its victims?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDIf you read the blackfleet crisis it states one fallanasi betrayed them and joined sidious and sidious wanted to know their ways of the force which the traitor did teach him i believe and most of the powers he learnt are after ROTS
When did ROTJ Sidious learned about the Fallanasi Looping Technique?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDTrue its like who strikes first who wins but kreias drain could quickly kill jedis who are inferior to sidious but would it even work on sidious? Because sidious may very well throw a force crush which is instant compared to drain
Sidious is damn powerful. He has higher chances to win in any fight but in some cases he can fall too. If Sidious launches his attack first, he will gain the upperhand.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDNot insta hit but fast hit
Instahit, maybe? 馃槃