mace windu owns... and you all know it

ALRIGHT! Mace windu is hands-down the best all-time jedi EVER!!! He's obviously the best duelist, because he beat the sith lord without trying very hard at all, whereas Yoda failed miserabley. He is also the wisest, because he is the only one that foresaw Anakin's slip into the darkside. He's the only one who didn't trust him at all, where the rest of the Jedi Counsel said "whatev".

ZOMG, glad you waited so long to inform us

Originally posted by zhellblah
He's obviously the best duelist, because he beat the sith lord without trying very hard at all, whereas Yoda failed miserabley.

true, however to be fair the playing field was different.

Originally posted by zhellblah
He is also the wisest, because he is the only one that foresaw Anakin's slip into the darkside. He's the only one who didn't trust him at all, where the rest of the Jedi Counsel said "whatev".

he didnt predict anything. they all knew that anakin's future was clouded.
so no, the council was not like "whatev". mace spoke for the council, so how is this possible? if anyone should be credited for discovering anakin's slip to the darkside it should be yoda, who meditated on him and learned of the tusken raider slaughter.

anyway, with all his wisdom and forsight, he didnt see anakins' cheap shot coming. he turned his back on the man whom you claim he knew turned to evil.
so that would make him a complete sucker, wouldnt it?

Originally posted by Schecter
true, however to be fair the playing field was different.

he didnt predict anything. they all knew that anakin's future was clouded.
so no, the council was not like "whatev". mace spoke for the council, so how is this possible? if anyone should be credited for discovering anakin's slip to the darkside it should be yoda, who meditated on him and learned of the tusken raider slaughter.

anyway, with all his wisdom and forsight, he didnt see anakins' cheap shot coming. he turned his back on the man whom you claim he knew turned to evil.
so that would make him a complete sucker, wouldnt it?

This is a whole different ball game, zhellblah. When you try to make a statement or claim in a forum like this about Star Wars, you had better make sure it is backed up by thousands of other people. What Schecter just did is called OWNAGE!!!

As far as I can tell, Mace Windu is the best skilled Saber fighter. I do not have any evidence to back this up other than he kicked Sids butt like it was nothing.

The man who choreographed all of the saber fighting gave everyone a rating and sids, yoda, and Anakin all had level 9 rating. The guy did not give windu a rating on a scale of 1-10, he said windu is unique. I do not remember the site where this guy was talking about it but this argument was made a long time ago when the movie first came out.

Originally posted by zhellblah
ALRIGHT! Mace windu is hands-down the best all-time jedi EVER!!! He's obviously the best duelist, because he beat the sith lord without trying very hard at all, whereas Yoda failed miserabley. He is also the wisest, because he is the only one that foresaw Anakin's slip into the darkside. He's the only one who didn't trust him at all, where the rest of the Jedi Counsel said "whatev".

Nope Yoda is. If you haven't noticed Palpatine had to separate himself from Yoda to win. Besides Mace only won the saber duel. Palpatine could have easily pwned him with a simple Force Push instead of doing all that Lighting. And Yoda was the one who said Anakin's future was clouded and informed Mace that Anakin was slipping to the dark side.

And I'm sure Mace was trying his hardest to defeat Palpatine. I mean come on, the Sith Lord himself; yeah let's go easy on him.

thats a good point. yoda was not defeated via lightsaber, so saber skills are irrelevant. rather he (successfully) blocked palp's attack with his bare hand. um mace, can you do that? *looks out palp's office window onto the streets below* ewww....apparently not 😛

😂

As well as Sidious was not trying in the duel with Mace, instead waiting for Mace. And yes, I have proof.

Don't you think Mace is just a bit shit really? He's not a particuarly likable guy either.

I don't like him.

No respect for Mace. 🙁

And... how is having better lightsaber skills irrelavent? 😕

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
No respect for Mace. 🙁

And... how is having better lightsaber skills irrelavent? 😕

irrelevant in that yoda wasnt defeated by lightsaber, as the OP suggests.

Originally posted by zhellblah
He's obviously the best duelist, because he beat the sith lord without trying very hard at all, whereas Yoda failed miserabley.

Mace is also mine favorite Jedi and i only like Dooku more as a character, but yes he was arrogant, but hey. the whole Jedi order was in the time of the PT(except Qui-Gon Jinn), but hey, you be unchallenged for 1000 years and you will be arrogant as well. The Jedi war the Top Dogs for 1000 years, with no great foe, it is only natural, they would think they ar all that and a bag of chips.

Plus another advantage he had on Sidious that Yoda didn't was the Vapaad saber form. He definately was not the best jedi all that honor goes to some one by the name of Luke Skywalker.

Originally posted by zhellblah
He's obviously the best duelist, because he beat the sith lord without trying very hard at all, whereas Yoda failed miserabley.

A good duelist, no doubt. But I think Palps wasn't trying very hard when he fought against Mace. It was sort of staged to make Windu look like a bad guy who was trying to kill a weak old man.

thats highly debatable. i think palps intentionally baited mace to kill him, but i think the duel was square with no punches pulled.

the way i see it palps had the upper hand in an open area. in other words i think if it had been palps vs. mace in the republic arena, mace would have been owned.

Originally posted by zhellblah
ALRIGHT! Mace windu is hands-down the best all-time jedi EVER!!! He's obviously the best duelist, because he beat the sith lord without trying very hard at all, whereas Yoda failed miserabley. He is also the wisest, because he is the only one that foresaw Anakin's slip into the darkside. He's the only one who didn't trust him at all, where the rest of the Jedi Counsel said "whatev".

He tried pretty hard against Sidious. How can Yoda not be a better duelist than Mace Windu? Whether or not Mace's defeat of Sidious was due to his superior dueling skills or not is debateable, but I still think that he won, fair and square.

All the Jedi Council members forsaw Anakin's possible descent into the Dark Side. That's why they all refused to allow him to be trained. It was only because Obi-Wan promised to a dying Jedi Master that he would train him that Anakin even had the slightest chance of becoming a Jedi.

Why should Yoda be a better duellist?

Yoda is the wisest. You can't be everything.

It depends on what your parameters for "Best" are. I mean How many Jedi die of old age? (In regards to the 6 movies) I'm no expert but as far as I know 1,Yoda. That makes him Bad Ass in my book.

Mace is not the best saber duelist nor the wisest. He only beat Sidious because of his form, Vapaad, and something called Shatterpoint... Yoda is the wisest.... Anakin the best saber duelist...

Originally posted by Riverollv
Mace is not the best saber duelist nor the wisest. He only beat Sidious because of his form, Vapaad, and something called Shatterpoint... Yoda is the wisest.... Anakin the best saber duelist...

everytime someone mentions "vapaad" here, god stomps on a puppie. please refrain.