Originally posted by Schecter
everytime someone mentions "vapaad" here, god stomps on a puppie. please refrain.
Here, this will explain:
yes, i know it exists in expanded universe, but...its...expanded universe
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/441810_1-forums-rules-behaviour-spoilers-and-canon-policy-please-read
Like it has been stated before in other places, only god...I mean George Lucas can answer this question to put the argument to rest.
I feel that since he took out Agen Kolar, Saesee Tiin, and Kit Fisto with relative ease, and then Mace stood up to him and then later defeated him, saber style, that should be a testament to his abilities. Not to mention, he was able to use Sidious's own force lightening against him.
Also, I feel that George Lucas changed the "happenings" in Palps office to make the story his own. (I am referring to the other accounts in the EU of these events.) I believe he did it so that we would have something to talk about. We should all write down every question we need to be settled about Star Wars, vote on the top ten of those, and then see if we can convince go...I mean George Lucas to answer those.
I can't believe people are still arguing this : Windu had Palpatine beaten completely - that's how it clearly was in the movie - if it wasn't for Anakin's betrayal ( motivated by his selfish reasons, and delusion that Palpatine had knowledge of the dark side that could enable one to cheat death ), Windu would have chopped off Palpatine's skull, and we would all have gone home, happy, healthy and feeling mighty cheerful, about one hour before the movie actually ended. And any one who disagrees with this is worse than the hair sticking out of Yoda's green ears.
I have some evidence to back my claim that Palpatine let him win. You know when he was all like " I'm weak..." and all that nonsense? When Anakin cut off Mace's arm Palpatine knew he won him over and he had the strength to Force Lightning him out the window and could stand when moments before he was acting half dead. Oh and isn't his face the result of his constant use of the Dark Side?
I couldn't resist.
Originally posted by Alliance
This brings us to Mace Windu. What an arrogant, power-mad, overblown ass. Sith always come in pairs, a master and an apprentice. Jedi always come in pairs too, a don and a bald goomba with a bad attitude and a purple murder stick. It's not enough that Mace decapitated Jango Fett, the blueprint of the clone army under Yoda's croaking command, but he did this right in front of Jango's own beloved son, following the typical Jedi tactic of intimidation and terror. Like all the Jedi, Mace was a bad seed, a powder keg of wanton violence.Upon finding out that the duly elected Chancellor is a Sith, what does Mace do? He goes to kill him. Hell, Islamic jihadist militants are reasonable by comparison. At least they wait to get a fatwa. Could you image a Secret Service officer, some dyed in the wool Protestant, storming into the Oval Office to assassinate the President of the United States of America because someone in the White House press room claimed the President was *gasp* Catholic?
The Chancellor is a Sith! Big-****ing deal. Bush=Hitler, too. That doesn't give anyone the right to assassinate him. Splash the scandal all over the tabloids. Publish the gritty details in the Galactic Globe and Gazette. Have the Jedi fax-droids bombard the Senators in an avalanche of thermo-paper. Form a non-profit "No Palpatine" 527 PAC and get moving on a no-confidence vote. Level charges of high treason in the Galactic Senate. Subpoena the Chancellor's robes to scan them for Dark-Side auras. Judas H Jedi, you just don't march in with a light saber and decapitate the elected head of the freakin' government.
Yet Mace storms in to the Chancellor's office, with the Huttzpah to claim he's putting him under arrest. He knows full well that he doesn't have the legal authority to do so, and knows full well that the Chancellor will call his bluff. Given reason to believe that Palpatine is a Sith, and noting that only a fool would think a Sith Lord would surrender alive, Mace's claim that he was there to "arrest" the Chancellor is just another patent Jedi lie. Mace was there to kill the Chancellor, and brought three Jedi goons along to get medieval on his ass.
Did he go before a judge to get an arrest warrant? No. Did he call any Senators and give them a heads up? No. Did he confer with any lawyers versed in Republic law? No. Did he engage in consultations about the Constitutional ramifications of a Jedi coup d'Etat? No. Did he seek, much less get, permission from the Jedi Council, as morally worthless as that permission would be? Nope. Did he even bother to inform the rest of the Jedi Council that the person who led the vote to field all those Storm Troopers happens to be a Dark Lord of the Sith? Not a chance. Does he even think more than five minutes ahead? You tell me. Like a typical Jedi, Master Windu thinks he can just run amok killing whomever he pleases like some two-credit vigilante assassin. It's the Jedi way.
Master Windu didn't give any of the legal options a second's thought, because Master Windu didn't give a damn about legalities. He took it upon himself to arrest, nay assassinate, the Supreme Chancellor of a democracy. Just who the **** does he think he is? Obviously, Master Windu is an arrogant, bigoted, member of the self-anointed warrior class, one who doesn't give a flying mynock about what little shards of democracy they had left. Even vile Brutus conferred with a multitude of other senators before slaying Julius Caesar, but Mace didn't even trifle with that. If served with cold justice, he wouldn't have suffered dismemberment and defenestration; he'd have been tortured, drawn, and quartered, just like Guy Fawkes after the failed gunpowder plot.
Hell, the Chancellor should send a squad of storm troopers to find Windu's body, joyously splattered all over the pavement, and have them peel him up with a vibro-spatula™ so they can toss him out the window again, being sure to make a holo of the head-bursting impact. Master Windu was a traitorous assassin, a vile asp loosed upon an unsuspecting democracy in time of peril. Anakin was right to hack off Mace's arm the very instant Mace moved to strike down Palpatine, citing the patent illegality and immorality of it, but it's too bad he couldn't hack off Mace's ego. Killing that took a close encounter of the paved kind.
Now what kind of man would Anakin be if he allowed, by action or inaction, this dreadful assassination plot to succeed? What could he say but, "I didn't stab poor Caesar, I just stood by and rubber-necked." A man has to be able to face himself in the mirror every morning (unless he has a spankin' cool helmet), and to just stand there idly watching Oswald pull the trigger doesn't cut it. As I said, who cares if the President is Catholic, Sith, or married to Hillary? You can't override the will of the people, tossing aside all legal and governmental structures and mechanisms, to opt for a light saber in service to a vendetta.