Originally posted by Schecter
that evidence being internet theories which go against the entire premise of the story and against george lucas's word on the topic (topic being the story he wrote)
You forget to mention that these theories are more intelligent than anything to have come out of George Lucas' mouth.
Originally posted by exanda kane
You forget to mention that these theories are more intelligent than anything to have come out of George Lucas' mouth.
but how can a thoery on a film be more intelligent than the mind that created the film? unless of course that theory lies along the line of "it sucks"
When you analyse the film on its structure, irrelevant of what the director says and drawing your own simple conclusions following the logic and morals presented in the film.
For instance, as the prophecy cites, a Chosen One will bring balance to the force, yet only by destroying the Sith is this possible. A balance, in the ying-yang sense of the word, is two parts of a whole. If the prophecy is indeed correct, then how can destroying one of these sides achieve equillibrium?
Notice too, that the moral outlook of the saga is the triumph of good over evil. That would not be balance in the ying-yang sense of the word. When the Rebels muse "May the Force be with you!", they do not need to refer to the "good side" now, do they? They refer to the Force as a good nature in itself, thus further discrediting a ying-yang approach.
If Lucas' word goes against this then, as Violent2Dope aptly states " George Lucas doesn't know the meaning of balance" and we must wonder how could such a cretin ever create such a popular mythos as Star Wars.
Originally posted by Alliance:Clones we're activated. We're not damn droids you idiot.
The Jedi were aas much behind the war as the Sith. The Jedi accepted AN ARMY dropped right on their doorstep and used military force to attack other planet. If they we're truely good, they would have allowed democratic process to take its course. That was the Jedi way. 36 months of senseless killing is not ver Jedi like. How many people did Palpatine kill in the war? How many did...say Yoda kill? I sense your numbers are off. The Jedi were more of an accomplice in the war than Palpatine was.
Sidious was dangerous...but why did the Jedi let him stay in power long past his term? support the Military Creation Act? Support giving him a dictatorship? Let him stay in office long after his term was up? It seemse to me that there were plenty of places to object.
Even if they didn't...there is still democratic process. If not even the JEDI can follow the guidelines of the Republic, then it was truely dead anyway. Sidious sat in office for what, 12 years, and didn't hurt anyone? He clearly needed to be executed without trial immediately. If Mace would have THOUGHT, there would have been no way to pin the war on the Jedi and the Order would have maintained itself.
Luckily, Anakin was there.
You know what i meant, they would be unable to defy orders, once Sidious would send an order.
What, the Jedi behind the war, that was all Sidious doing and they didn't even like, having to go to the war, there was allot of defiance, from some Jedi about that issue. Democratic proses and negotiating was unable, because it was clear that CIS, had no intention of negotiating. Yes, it is true that Sidious didn't kill anyone personally in the war, but, he is responsible for every single person, that died in the war. Hitler, also didn't kill anyone in WW2, yet he is considered the most evil person ever. Sidious is even worse then Hitler, because he controlled both sides and could have said, to the both sides, don't massacre everything at your sight, yet he gaved orders, especially to the CIS, to destroy as much as possible, so that he appears, a bigger savor, when the Republic wins. And he unleashed the likes of GG, on the Universe, who used chemical weapons on civilian's, so don't try to sell me, the Hooker, with the heart of gold. Sidious is pure evil, its simple as that.
The Jedi supported him for so long, because they thought he was trying to help the Republic, if they knew he was a Sith Lord, they wouldn't have support him at all.
What do you mean he didn't hurt anyone, he conspired behind the shadows, ordered murders of numerous political enemies, ordered Dooku to kill Sifo Dyus and God Knows how many other murders he ordered. Your acting as if Mace decided to kill Sidious out of a whim, he tyred to kill him, because Sidious was a threat to the whole civilization, i don't know about youm but if someone threatened my civilization, the very existence of it, i would go Medieval on his as?. I was Mace, i would have taken the whole freaking Jedi order with me, to get the job done.
And its not like the Jedi would have ruled the Galaxy, once they had killed Sidious, they would gibe the power back to the Senate, they had no evil attentions. The assassination of Sidious is a bad act, but they did it for the greater good, but the hands had to get dirty. And its not like Sidious is some old weak man, Mace saw what he did to his 3 colleges, he knew that he was powerful, Sidious was far from being defenceless.
What could Mace have really done, Sidious controlled both the Senate and the courts, even if he arrested him, Sidious would just walk away from the charges. Tell me, what could have he done different.
Yea, its good Anakin was there, so that Sidious was able to build the most Evil, oppressing government the universe ever saw, to build the Death Star, which destroyed the whole planet.........................................., yea thank goodness. 🙄
And this isn't about Mace trying t kill Sidious is it, these is because big bad Mace decapitated poor, defenceless Jango, thats why you hate him so much, isn't it. And Jango was a legitimate target, Mace did nothing wrong here.
Originally posted by Alliance
Sidious was dangerous...but why did the Jedi let him stay in power long past his term? support the Military Creation Act? Support giving him a dictatorship? Let him stay in office long after his term was up? It seemse to me that there were plenty of places to object.Even if they didn't...there is still democratic process. If not even the JEDI can follow the guidelines of the Republic, then it was truely dead anyway. Sidious sat in office for what, 12 years, and didn't hurt anyone? He clearly needed to be executed without trial immediately. If Mace would have THOUGHT, there would have been no way to pin the war on the Jedi and the Order would have maintained itself.
Luckily, Anakin was there.
Okay...they didn't know he was the Sith Lord...that is why he remained in office and was able to do "sithy" stuff behind the "Jedi scene".
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
The Jedi in a way contradict themselves. They say the way to bring balance to the force is to destroy the Sith. If they did that there would be excessive Light Side and little Dark Side. Light cant exist without darkness.
Originally posted by exanda kane
Originally posted by exanda kane
There's alot of evidence to suggest that the Force doesn't take a "ying-yang" approach and that the a real "balance in the Force" occurs when the dark side is vanquished.
Originally posted by Schecter
Originally posted by Schecter
that evidence being internet theories which go against the entire premise of the story and against george lucas's word on the topic (topic being the story he wrote)
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Then George Lucas doesn't know the meaning of balance.
Originally posted by exanda kane
Originally posted by exanda kane
You forget to mention that these theories are more intelligent than anything to have come out of George Lucas' mouth.
Originally posted by Schecter
Originally posted by Schecter
but how can a thoery on a film be more intelligent than the mind that created the film? unless of course that theory lies along the line of "it sucks"
Originally posted by exanda kane
Originally posted by exanda kane
When you analyse the film on its structure, irrelevant of what the director says and drawing your own simple conclusions following the logic and morals presented in the film.For instance, as the prophecy cites, a Chosen One will bring balance to the force, yet only by destroying the Sith is this possible. A balance, in the ying-yang sense of the word, is two parts of a whole. If the prophecy is indeed correct, then how can destroying one of these sides achieve equillibrium?
Notice too, that the moral outlook of the saga is the triumph of good over evil. That would not be balance in the ying-yang sense of the word. When the Rebels muse "May the Force be with you!", they do not need to refer to the "good side" now, do they? They refer to the Force as a good nature in itself, thus further discrediting a ying-yang approach.
If Lucas' word goes against this then, as Violent2Dope aptly states " George Lucas doesn't know the meaning of balance" and we must wonder how could such a cretin ever create such a popular mythos as Star Wars.
To all of that, the dark side of the force is an imbalance in the force. The dark side is unnatural. The whole balance to the force idea comes from eliminating the dark side which is unnatural. If you are truley light side, then you seek to be one with the force ...if you are dark side, you use the force for you own will and seek to pass the natural force co-existance process and instead use it as a quick path to power. Understanding the force is fundemental for a Star Wars fan.
Originally posted by Count Makashi
And its not like Sidious is some old weak man, Mace saw what he did to his 3 colleges, he knew that he was powerful, Sidious was far from being defenceless. What could Mace have really done, Sidious controlled both the Senate and the courts, even if he arrested him, Sidious would just walk away from the charges. Tell me, what could have he done different.
Pretty well stated right there. Taking him before the courts is a useless stupid idea. He would have gotten off scott free. That is why Mace killed him. Don't you guys think that Mace could see into the future a little bit and see the massacre that was to happen from the Sith Lord? It was Naive of Anakin to think that he should be taken to the courts...Lucas intended all of that for his plot...he wanted to show that Anakin went to the dark side out of naivety...not because he was just bad.
You guys have looked so far into it...you have missed the obvious and most fundemental points in the movie. (That can happen sometimes when you are smart and are also a deep thinker..seriously.)
Originally posted by dadudemon
Okay...they didn't know he was the Sith Lord...that is why he remained in office and was able to do "sithy" stuff behind the "Jedi scene".[QUOTE=Violent2Dope]Originally posted by Violent2Dope
[B]The Jedi in a way contradict themselves. They say the way to bring balance to the force is to destroy the Sith. If they did that there would be excessive Light Side and little Dark Side. Light cant exist without darkness.
Originally posted by exanda kane
Originally posted by exanda kane
There's alot of evidence to suggest that the Force doesn't take a "ying-yang" approach and that the a real "balance in the Force" occurs when the dark side is vanquished.
Originally posted by Schecter
Originally posted by Schecter
that evidence being internet theories which go against the entire premise of the story and against george lucas's word on the topic (topic being the story he wrote)
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Then George Lucas doesn't know the meaning of balance.
Originally posted by exanda kane
Originally posted by exanda kane
You forget to mention that these theories are more intelligent than anything to have come out of George Lucas' mouth.
Originally posted by Schecter
Originally posted by Schecter
but how can a thoery on a film be more intelligent than the mind that created the film? unless of course that theory lies along the line of "it sucks"
Originally posted by exanda kane
Originally posted by exanda kane
When you analyse the film on its structure, irrelevant of what the director says and drawing your own simple conclusions following the logic and morals presented in the film.For instance, as the prophecy cites, a Chosen One will bring balance to the force, yet only by destroying the Sith is this possible. A balance, in the ying-yang sense of the word, is two parts of a whole. If the prophecy is indeed correct, then how can destroying one of these sides achieve equillibrium?
Notice too, that the moral outlook of the saga is the triumph of good over evil. That would not be balance in the ying-yang sense of the word. When the Rebels muse "May the Force be with you!", they do not need to refer to the "good side" now, do they? They refer to the Force as a good nature in itself, thus further discrediting a ying-yang approach.
If Lucas' word goes against this then, as Violent2Dope aptly states " George Lucas doesn't know the meaning of balance" and we must wonder how could such a cretin ever create such a popular mythos as Star Wars.
To all of that, the dark side of the force is an imbalance in the force. The dark side is unnatural. The whole balance to the force idea comes from eliminating the dark side which is unnatural. If you are truley light side, then you seek to be one with the force ...if you are dark side, you use the force for you own will and seek to pass the natural force co-existance process and instead use it as a quick path to power. Understanding the force is fundemental for a Star Wars fan. [/B][/QUOTE] Then once again GL doesn't know the meaning of balance. 😉
Originally posted by General Gpicture explains it all Sid's could of killed him there and then i think he meant to lose knowing ani would come and see mace windu with his saber down at Sid's throat but then again he saw sidious throwing lightning at mace but he was thinking of padme
😂As well as Sidious was not trying in the duel with Mace, instead waiting for Mace. And yes, I have proof.