This brings us to Mace Windu. What an arrogant, power-mad, overblown ass. Sith always come in pairs, a master and an apprentice. Jedi always come in pairs too, a don and a bald goomba with a bad attitude and a purple murder stick. It's not enough that Mace decapitated Jango Fett, the blueprint of the clone army under Yoda's croaking command, but he did this right in front of Jango's own beloved son, following the typical Jedi tactic of intimidation and terror. Like all the Jedi, Mace was a bad seed, a powder keg of wanton violence.Upon finding out that the duly elected Chancellor is a Sith, what does Mace do? He goes to kill him. Hell, Islamic jihadist militants are reasonable by comparison. At least they wait to get a fatwa. Could you image a Secret Service officer, some dyed in the wool Protestant, storming into the Oval Office to assassinate the President of the United States of America because someone in the White House press room claimed the President was *gasp* Catholic?
The Chancellor is a Sith! Big-****ing deal. Bush=Hitler, too. That doesn't give anyone the right to assassinate him. Splash the scandal all over the tabloids. Publish the gritty details in the Galactic Globe and Gazette. Have the Jedi fax-droids bombard the Senators in an avalanche of thermo-paper. Form a non-profit "No Palpatine" 527 PAC and get moving on a no-confidence vote. Level charges of high treason in the Galactic Senate. Subpoena the Chancellor's robes to scan them for Dark-Side auras. Judas H Jedi, you just don't march in with a light saber and decapitate the elected head of the freakin' government.
Yet Mace storms in to the Chancellor's office, with the Huttzpah to claim he's putting him under arrest. He knows full well that he doesn't have the legal authority to do so, and knows full well that the Chancellor will call his bluff. Given reason to believe that Palpatine is a Sith, and noting that only a fool would think a Sith Lord would surrender alive, Mace's claim that he was there to "arrest" the Chancellor is just another patent Jedi lie. Mace was there to kill the Chancellor, and brought three Jedi goons along to get medieval on his ass.
Did he go before a judge to get an arrest warrant? No. Did he call any Senators and give them a heads up? No. Did he confer with any lawyers versed in Republic law? No. Did he engage in consultations about the Constitutional ramifications of a Jedi coup d'Etat? No. Did he seek, much less get, permission from the Jedi Council, as morally worthless as that permission would be? Nope. Did he even bother to inform the rest of the Jedi Council that the person who led the vote to field all those Storm Troopers happens to be a Dark Lord of the Sith? Not a chance. Does he even think more than five minutes ahead? You tell me. Like a typical Jedi, Master Windu thinks he can just run amok killing whomever he pleases like some two-credit vigilante assassin. It's the Jedi way.
Master Windu didn't give any of the legal options a second's thought, because Master Windu didn't give a damn about legalities. He took it upon himself to arrest, nay assassinate, the Supreme Chancellor of a democracy. Just who the **** does he think he is? Obviously, Master Windu is an arrogant, bigoted, member of the self-anointed warrior class, one who doesn't give a flying mynock about what little shards of democracy they had left. Even vile Brutus conferred with a multitude of other senators before slaying Julius Caesar, but Mace didn't even trifle with that. If served with cold justice, he wouldn't have suffered dismemberment and defenestration; he'd have been tortured, drawn, and quartered, just like Guy Fawkes after the failed gunpowder plot.
Hell, the Chancellor should send a squad of storm troopers to find Windu's body, joyously splattered all over the pavement, and have them peel him up with a vibro-spatula™ so they can toss him out the window again, being sure to make a holo of the head-bursting impact. Master Windu was a traitorous assassin, a vile asp loosed upon an unsuspecting democracy in time of peril. Anakin was right to hack off Mace's arm the very instant Mace moved to strike down Palpatine, citing the patent illegality and immorality of it, but it's too bad he couldn't hack off Mace's ego. Killing that took a close encounter of the paved kind.
Now what kind of man would Anakin be if he allowed, by action or inaction, this dreadful assassination plot to succeed? What could he say but, "I didn't stab poor Caesar, I just stood by and rubber-necked." A man has to be able to face himself in the mirror every morning (unless he has a spankin' cool helmet), and to just stand there idly watching Oswald pull the trigger doesn't cut it. As I said, who cares if the President is Catholic, Sith, or married to Hillary? You can't override the will of the people, tossing aside all legal and governmental structures and mechanisms, to opt for a light saber in service to a vendetta.
Your obviously a racist.
Originally posted by Alliance
This brings us to Mace Windu. What an arrogant, power-mad, overblown ass. Sith always come in pairs, a master and an apprentice. Jedi always come in pairs too, a don and a bald goomba with a bad attitude and a purple murder stick. It's not enough that Mace decapitated Jango Fett, the blueprint of the clone army under Yoda's croaking command, but he did this right in front of Jango's own beloved son, following the typical Jedi tactic of intimidation and terror. Like all the Jedi, Mace was a bad seed, a powder keg of wanton violence.Upon finding out that the duly elected Chancellor is a Sith, what does Mace do? He goes to kill him. Hell, Islamic jihadist militants are reasonable by comparison. At least they wait to get a fatwa. Could you image a Secret Service officer, some dyed in the wool Protestant, storming into the Oval Office to assassinate the President of the United States of America because someone in the White House press room claimed the President was *gasp* Catholic?
The Chancellor is a Sith! Big-****ing deal. Bush=Hitler, too. That doesn't give anyone the right to assassinate him. Splash the scandal all over the tabloids. Publish the gritty details in the Galactic Globe and Gazette. Have the Jedi fax-droids bombard the Senators in an avalanche of thermo-paper. Form a non-profit "No Palpatine" 527 PAC and get moving on a no-confidence vote. Level charges of high treason in the Galactic Senate. Subpoena the Chancellor's robes to scan them for Dark-Side auras. Judas H Jedi, you just don't march in with a light saber and decapitate the elected head of the freakin' government.
Yet Mace storms in to the Chancellor's office, with the Huttzpah to claim he's putting him under arrest. He knows full well that he doesn't have the legal authority to do so, and knows full well that the Chancellor will call his bluff. Given reason to believe that Palpatine is a Sith, and noting that only a fool would think a Sith Lord would surrender alive, Mace's claim that he was there to "arrest" the Chancellor is just another patent Jedi lie. Mace was there to kill the Chancellor, and brought three Jedi goons along to get medieval on his ass.
Did he go before a judge to get an arrest warrant? No. Did he call any Senators and give them a heads up? No. Did he confer with any lawyers versed in Republic law? No. Did he engage in consultations about the Constitutional ramifications of a Jedi coup d'Etat? No. Did he seek, much less get, permission from the Jedi Council, as morally worthless as that permission would be? Nope. Did he even bother to inform the rest of the Jedi Council that the person who led the vote to field all those Storm Troopers happens to be a Dark Lord of the Sith? Not a chance. Does he even think more than five minutes ahead? You tell me. Like a typical Jedi, Master Windu thinks he can just run amok killing whomever he pleases like some two-credit vigilante assassin. It's the Jedi way.
Master Windu didn't give any of the legal options a second's thought, because Master Windu didn't give a damn about legalities. He took it upon himself to arrest, nay assassinate, the Supreme Chancellor of a democracy. Just who the **** does he think he is? Obviously, Master Windu is an arrogant, bigoted, member of the self-anointed warrior class, one who doesn't give a flying mynock about what little shards of democracy they had left. Even vile Brutus conferred with a multitude of other senators before slaying Julius Caesar, but Mace didn't even trifle with that. If served with cold justice, he wouldn't have suffered dismemberment and defenestration; he'd have been tortured, drawn, and quartered, just like Guy Fawkes after the failed gunpowder plot.
Hell, the Chancellor should send a squad of storm troopers to find Windu's body, joyously splattered all over the pavement, and have them peel him up with a vibro-spatula™ so they can toss him out the window again, being sure to make a holo of the head-bursting impact. Master Windu was a traitorous assassin, a vile asp loosed upon an unsuspecting democracy in time of peril. Anakin was right to hack off Mace's arm the very instant Mace moved to strike down Palpatine, citing the patent illegality and immorality of it, but it's too bad he couldn't hack off Mace's ego. Killing that took a close encounter of the paved kind.
Now what kind of man would Anakin be if he allowed, by action or inaction, this dreadful assassination plot to succeed? What could he say but, "I didn't stab poor Caesar, I just stood by and rubber-necked." A man has to be able to face himself in the mirror every morning (unless he has a spankin' cool helmet), and to just stand there idly watching Oswald pull the trigger doesn't cut it. As I said, who cares if the President is Catholic, Sith, or married to Hillary? You can't override the will of the people, tossing aside all legal and governmental structures and mechanisms, to opt for a light saber in service to a vendetta.
Very nice!
Originally posted by AllianceDude this changed my life. The Sith and the Jedi are almost the same, they both think they're always right and they can do anything they want.
This brings us to Mace Windu. What an arrogant, power-mad, overblown ass. Sith always come in pairs, a master and an apprentice. Jedi always come in pairs too, a don and a bald goomba with a bad attitude and a purple murder stick. It's not enough that Mace decapitated Jango Fett, the blueprint of the clone army under Yoda's croaking command, but he did this right in front of Jango's own beloved son, following the typical Jedi tactic of intimidation and terror. Like all the Jedi, Mace was a bad seed, a powder keg of wanton violence.Upon finding out that the duly elected Chancellor is a Sith, what does Mace do? He goes to kill him. Hell, Islamic jihadist militants are reasonable by comparison. At least they wait to get a fatwa. Could you image a Secret Service officer, some dyed in the wool Protestant, storming into the Oval Office to assassinate the President of the United States of America because someone in the White House press room claimed the President was *gasp* Catholic?
The Chancellor is a Sith! Big-****ing deal. Bush=Hitler, too. That doesn't give anyone the right to assassinate him. Splash the scandal all over the tabloids. Publish the gritty details in the Galactic Globe and Gazette. Have the Jedi fax-droids bombard the Senators in an avalanche of thermo-paper. Form a non-profit "No Palpatine" 527 PAC and get moving on a no-confidence vote. Level charges of high treason in the Galactic Senate. Subpoena the Chancellor's robes to scan them for Dark-Side auras. Judas H Jedi, you just don't march in with a light saber and decapitate the elected head of the freakin' government.
Yet Mace storms in to the Chancellor's office, with the Huttzpah to claim he's putting him under arrest. He knows full well that he doesn't have the legal authority to do so, and knows full well that the Chancellor will call his bluff. Given reason to believe that Palpatine is a Sith, and noting that only a fool would think a Sith Lord would surrender alive, Mace's claim that he was there to "arrest" the Chancellor is just another patent Jedi lie. Mace was there to kill the Chancellor, and brought three Jedi goons along to get medieval on his ass.
Did he go before a judge to get an arrest warrant? No. Did he call any Senators and give them a heads up? No. Did he confer with any lawyers versed in Republic law? No. Did he engage in consultations about the Constitutional ramifications of a Jedi coup d'Etat? No. Did he seek, much less get, permission from the Jedi Council, as morally worthless as that permission would be? Nope. Did he even bother to inform the rest of the Jedi Council that the person who led the vote to field all those Storm Troopers happens to be a Dark Lord of the Sith? Not a chance. Does he even think more than five minutes ahead? You tell me. Like a typical Jedi, Master Windu thinks he can just run amok killing whomever he pleases like some two-credit vigilante assassin. It's the Jedi way.
Master Windu didn't give any of the legal options a second's thought, because Master Windu didn't give a damn about legalities. He took it upon himself to arrest, nay assassinate, the Supreme Chancellor of a democracy. Just who the **** does he think he is? Obviously, Master Windu is an arrogant, bigoted, member of the self-anointed warrior class, one who doesn't give a flying mynock about what little shards of democracy they had left. Even vile Brutus conferred with a multitude of other senators before slaying Julius Caesar, but Mace didn't even trifle with that. If served with cold justice, he wouldn't have suffered dismemberment and defenestration; he'd have been tortured, drawn, and quartered, just like Guy Fawkes after the failed gunpowder plot.
Hell, the Chancellor should send a squad of storm troopers to find Windu's body, joyously splattered all over the pavement, and have them peel him up with a vibro-spatula™ so they can toss him out the window again, being sure to make a holo of the head-bursting impact. Master Windu was a traitorous assassin, a vile asp loosed upon an unsuspecting democracy in time of peril. Anakin was right to hack off Mace's arm the very instant Mace moved to strike down Palpatine, citing the patent illegality and immorality of it, but it's too bad he couldn't hack off Mace's ego. Killing that took a close encounter of the paved kind.
Now what kind of man would Anakin be if he allowed, by action or inaction, this dreadful assassination plot to succeed? What could he say but, "I didn't stab poor Caesar, I just stood by and rubber-necked." A man has to be able to face himself in the mirror every morning (unless he has a spankin' cool helmet), and to just stand there idly watching Oswald pull the trigger doesn't cut it. As I said, who cares if the President is Catholic, Sith, or married to Hillary? You can't override the will of the people, tossing aside all legal and governmental structures and mechanisms, to opt for a light saber in service to a vendetta.
Sith and the Jedi aren't the same, the Jedi try to help others even if their believes are misguided, they act from a view, to helping others, while the Sith are backstabbing, kill anyone, if it means more power and Alliance, who was behind the war, behind everything, you say Mace didn't follow the law or the will of the people, but did Sidious follow it, did he not start the war, in which billions died, if the people knew that he was behind the war, do you think they would support him, hell no, they would organize an angry mob, to linch him. Mace didn't really have a choice, Sidious was to dangerous, even if he presented the evidence to the Senate and to the press, Sidious would just activate the Clones to follow his orders and he would rule as a tyrant, not giving damn about the rules.
It doesn't matter if he was "too dangerous to be kept alive," the Jedi do not believe in killing prisoners, especially weaponless prisoners, Sidious was a defenseless, unarmed politician when Mace went in to his office and was a defenseless (he made it look that way) unarmed prisoner when he was about to kill him on the window. So Mace Windu did not act like a Jedi at all.
defenseless? how can he possibly be defenseless when he:
1-is commander in chief of the largest military complex in the universe
2-owns the senate
3-has mastered the force to the point where only yoda can block his lightning without a weapon.
mace intended to take palpatine prisoner, as was clear.
palpatine made it clear to mace thatnot only would he not be taken alive, but he was just as much a danger without a lightsaber. mace then had a moment of realisation and decided to end it right there.
1) How was his military going to help him there in the situation he was in? Not at all, defenseless.
2) Once again, does nothing for him in the situation. Defenseless.
3) They had no idea of his force potential, he could have just declared himself Sith Lord while only knowing few things, I mean they haven't been seen in over a thousand years, so they would have no idea. As far as they knew. Defenseless.
That was not clear at all. He went in and drew his lightsaber first before Palpatine even got up from his chair. He didn't make that clear, Mace was threatening him, he was defending himself. Once again, they didn't know his force powers, he had done nothing with the force until the lightning. And at the end, he was pleading for his life, which had Anakin and possibly Mace convinced, because of the hesitation.
Originally posted by General G
1) How was his military going to help him there in the situation he was in? Not at all, defenseless.
were you paying attention during the order 66 scene? granted the jedi never predicted that, they certainly could deduct that palpatine had the greatest influence over the military that be authorised(more accurately 'finalised' and lead?
Originally posted by General G
2) Once again, does nothing for him in the situation. Defenseless.
yes it does
Originally posted by General G
3) They had no idea of his force potential, he could have just declared himself Sith Lord while only knowing few things, I mean they haven't been seen in over a thousand years, so they would have no idea. As far as they knew. Defenseless.
mace had a good idea of his force potential when he almost had his face blown off by lightning.
look, lets just all agree to disagree. you all can disagree with me and george lucas, and vice versa. combatting baseless and completely anti-story plot theories is something ive been cutting back on
Originally posted by General G
Very nice!
if only I had posted it before...😉
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Dude this changed my life. The Sith and the Jedi are almost the same, they both think they're always right and they can do anything they want.
😂 Excellent. Yes...they are remarkably similar. (I shoot at both). Thats why Anakin brought balance to the force, destroying both the excess of "light" that was the jedi and the excess of "dark" that was the sith. Order restored to 0.
Originally posted by Count Makashi
Alliance, who was behind the war, behind everything, you say Mace didn't follow the law or the will of the people, but did Sidious follow it, did he not start the war, in which billions died, if the people knew that he was behind the war, do you think they would support him, hell no, they would organize an angry mob, to linch him. Mace didn't really have a choice, Sidious was to dangerous, even if he presented the evidence to the Senate and to the press, Sidious would just activate the Clones to follow his orders and he would rule as a tyrant, not giving damn about the rules.
Clones we're activated. We're not damn droids you idiot.
The Jedi were aas much behind the war as the Sith. The Jedi accepted AN ARMY dropped right on their doorstep and used military force to attack other planet. If they we're truely good, they would have allowed democratic process to take its course. That was the Jedi way. 36 months of senseless killing is not ver Jedi like. How many people did Palpatine kill in the war? How many did...say Yoda kill? I sense your numbers are off. The Jedi were more of an accomplice in the war than Palpatine was.
Sidious was dangerous...but why did the Jedi let him stay in power long past his term? support the Military Creation Act? Support giving him a dictatorship? Let him stay in office long after his term was up? It seemse to me that there were plenty of places to object.
Even if they didn't...there is still democratic process. If not even the JEDI can follow the guidelines of the Republic, then it was truely dead anyway. Sidious sat in office for what, 12 years, and didn't hurt anyone? He clearly needed to be executed without trial immediately. If Mace would have THOUGHT, there would have been no way to pin the war on the Jedi and the Order would have maintained itself.
Luckily, Anakin was there.
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
The Jedi in a way contradict themselves. They say the way to bring balance to the force is to destroy the Sith. If they did that there would be excessive Light Side and little Dark Side. Light cant exist without darkness.
There's alot of evidence to suggest that the Force doesn't take a "ying-yang" approach and that the a real "balance in the Force" occurs when the dark side is vanquished.
Originally posted by exanda kane
There's alot of evidence to suggest that the Force doesn't take a "ying-yang" approach and that the a real "balance in the Force" occurs when the dark side is vanquished.
that evidence being internet theories which go against the entire premise of the story and against george lucas's word on the topic (topic being the story he wrote)