Darth Vader vs Shaak Ti, Quinlan Vos,

Originally posted by alterangel
I would say vader takes this with many major wounds, since this battle does take place on the death star the majority of the fighting is gonna take place in close quarters. since vos is form IV Ataru much of his dueling requires flourishes and large sweeps and flips, shaak ti is speculated to be the same as of her style in basically everything she is in.
Vader is thus at an advantage, Vader though slow, is quite capable of defending against either on one on one in that situation.

the real argument is whether vader is more powerful in the force than both of them

Vader would hold vos in a force choke while he fights shaak ti with his lightsaber, much the same way he did with Cin Drallig and Bene except his speed is very hampered but shaak wont be able to use her superior agility in such close quarters, and he is much stronger in the force than ROTS vader so his hold on vos would be pretty easy

and just so you know i am a major quinlan fan so saying vader takes him isnt easy for me but true

ignore the middle section i am tired i mean " vader is more powerful than both of them in the force thus......"

Originally posted by darthsith19
Sorry, I couldn't reply because I was out of town.

Except the duel in the comic wasn't sabers only, it was all out, and Maul still nearly won, thus proving that Maul is just about as strong as ANH Vader, so I win unless you can prove that Vader 10 years after ROTS is as strong or stronger than Vader 19 years after.

And by the way what force powers did maul display to even put him close to vader?

Originally posted by darthsith19

Who is this more powerful Jedi? And I never stated that he gave an experienced Vader trouble. You stated that by the end of RODV Vader is a beast. I proved you wrong, that is all, where did I state that Shryne gave an experienced Vader a good fight?

Originally posted by darthsith19

Yeah, and the most he ever took on at once was 6 (Tsui Choi and Bultar Swan didn't join in until later) and 4 of those Jedi were really weak. As soon as Tsui Choi joined in Vader got own3d.

Originally posted by darthsith19

Okay. To bad OT Vader isn't the Vader in this thread then, isn't it? Oh, and Shaak and Vos together would beat those 8 Jedi.

Too bad you actually dont read. Because the thread maker said this is 10 years after ROTS which is 9 years before the OT. And this vader may very well be much stronger than RODV vader who already took down an army of wookies and slaughtered 2 jedi knights easily

And what force attacks could vos and shaak do to take vader down? Right none and you have yet to even state HOW they are going to win because all you have done is severely down played vader

Originally posted by darthsith19
Actually, the duo could beat them, if they were in the same situation that Vader was in. Cause then Tsui Choi and Bultar Swan would not attack at first and there’d only be six. Sia-Lan Wezz was a non-factor in the fight – she pretty much let Vader stab her. Either of the duo could kill her right off the bat. Rolbio Darte and Jastus Far are the strongest (actually, the only strong ones fighting at that time). Shaak Ti could engage them in combat and it would be close.

That leaves Vos to deal with Shadday Potkin, Koffi Arana and Ma'kis'shaalas. Vader killed Ma'kis'shaalas in one move while fending off 4 other Jedi – unless you are trying to say Vos is less than 50% of Purge Vader, he could do the same thing while fending off 2 Jedi. That leaves him vs. Potkin and Arana, both of whom are very weak. Vos during the beginning of the Clone Wars took on Tol Skorr and Kadrien Sey, 2 on 1, and beat them, and it wasn’t super close. Those 2 have got to be stronger than these 2 weak Jedi. I say he pwns them.

Now, this is where it gets tricky.

If Tsui Choi and Bultar Swan saw Vos kill the Jedi and they jumped in right then, which they likely would, I’m not sure if Vos could beat them. I’m not to sure how strong Bultar is. And I’m not sure if Shaak Ti could take out Farr and Darte, 2 on 1, either. Upon re-thinking it could go either way, 50/50. Still puts them above Purge Vader, who lost without the help of his Clone Troopers, though.

In saber duel it would be close. In force duel Vader wins, obviously. Vader would also win in an all out duel.

Vader wins this easily in the Force and with little difficulty with sabers, what did Vos and Shak Ti do , to be considered great with sabers?

Vader would hold vos in a force choke while he fights shaak ti with his lightsaber, much the same way he did with Cin Drallig and Bene except his speed is very hampered but shaak wont be able to use her superior agility in such close quarters, and he is much stronger in the force than ROTS vader so his hold on vos would be pretty easy

Wrong because we havnt actually seen vader even trying to use any of his force attacks nor did he try to use the environment to his advantage. Obviously he has been dueling maul throughout the comic. Or because maul is so relentless with the saber he couldnt back out in time to attack with the force?

or

B. Stupid

Either one makes him closer to Maul. It wasn't a sabers only fight, it was an all-out fight. If Vader didn't use the Force that only reflects badly on him and it doesn't change the fact that Maul was winning 99% of the fight.

It was JJ who said by the end of RODV vader is a beast. To me RODV vader is nothing compared to what he is in the OT

Um no had it been 1v1 vader would have killed tsui choi and great logic you have because if vader kills them = they weak. Guess what vader has killed the dark woman when he finally resorted to the force as he isnt too great with the lightsaber.

Anti-vader hm?

And zomg how is vos and shaak ti going to take on those 8 jedis?

Too bad you actually dont read. Because the thread maker said this is 10 years after ROTS which is 9 years before the OT. And this vader may very well be much stronger than RODV vader who already took down an army of wookies and slaughtered 2 jedi knights easily

And what force attacks could vos and shaak do to take vader down? Right none and you have yet to even state HOW they are going to win because all you have done is severely down played vader

DS, talk about reaching.

what did Vos and Shak Ti do , to be considered great with
sabers?

Originally posted by darthsith19
[Vos] beat Sora Bulq and Volfe Karkko (though by luck) and he beat Tol Skorr and Kadrian Sey 2 on 1 and owned Skorr one on one amongst other things. Shaak Ti isn't quite as strong as Vos, but she's pretty strong as well. She killed Artel Darc during the Clone Wars, and in the cartoon she seemed nearly as strong as Ki-Adi Mundi (we've all seen what he did with the Force while tired, right?). And Mace picked her to help him search for Darth Sidious in LOE, she was chosen to protect the Chancellor in the cartoon, and she and Vos both survived ROTS. Obi-Wan Kenobi even tells Anakin in the ROTS novel that she has very clever and has taught him a thing or two (not a direct quote, I'm going off of memory here).

[QUOTE=9134802]Originally posted by darthsith19
[B]1. Vos and Ti >>> Cin and Bene
2. ROTS pre-suit Vader >> Vader halfway between ROTS and ANH
3. Vader doesn't ever fight Cin while Force Choking anybody. He also never Force Chokes Bene, he puts his hand around her throat.

1.Cin is the better at lightsaber dueling than either vos and ti and while bene is really behind all of them, the fact is that vader held off one of the greatest duelists with one hand while holding bene with the other is amazing in its own right

2.prove theat pre suit vader is more powerful than 33 yo vader wasnt more powerful than 23 yo vader thats 10 years more force training and jedi hunting i know hes not as great with a lightsaber i said that but he doesnt have to be take shaak in close quarters, heck he could hold them both with force choke and laugh at them as they die i mean its not to say they are gonna take him by surprise

3.i read that he force choked her but after watching the clip i see that he does strangle her but he does fight cin while doing it and to strangle her with his non mechanical hand, picking her off the ground, while fighting cin, involves the force not just his strength, no matter how young he is. id like to see you try picking up a 100-140 pound chick off the ground with just your left hand and do you think she just stood there and took it he had to have a pretty tight grip

1.Cin is the better at lightsaber dueling than either vos and ti and while bene is really behind all of them, the fact is that vader held off one of the greatest duelists with one hand while holding bene with the other is amazing in its own right

2.prove theat pre suit vader is more powerful than 33 yo vader wasnt more powerful than 23 yo vader thats 10 years more force training and jedi hunting i know hes not as great with a lightsaber i said that but he doesnt have to be take shaak in close quarters, heck he could hold them both with force choke and laugh at them as they die i mean its not to say they are gonna take him by surprise

3.i read that he force choked her but after watching the clip i see that he does strangle her but he does fight cin while doing it and to strangle her with his non mechanical hand, picking her off the ground, while fighting cin, involves the force not just his strength, no matter how young he is. id like to see you try picking up a 100-140 pound chick off the ground with just your left hand and do you think she just stood there and took it he had to have a pretty tight grip

OT vader is way more powerful in the force than RoTS vader why would and half way between means that he's still more powerful, he has had 10 years to get used to that suit

the whole maul thing is pointless as vader barely used the force cause he was taken by surprise because maul is a very steathy assassin but vos and shaak arnt and vader would surely sense them coming a mile away

Why u keep saying RoTS vader is more powerful in the force than OT vader is beyond me

give me a good reason y vader couldnt simply force choke them both and end it at that?

Originally posted by alterangel
OT vader is way more powerful in the force than RoTS vader why would and half way between means that he's still more powerful, he has had 10 years to get used to that suit

the whole maul thing is pointless as vader barely used the force cause he was taken by surprise because maul is a very steathy assassin but vos and shaak arnt and vader would surely sense them coming a mile away

Why u keep saying RoTS vader is more powerful in the force than OT vader is beyond me

give me a good reason y vader couldnt simply force choke them both and end it at that?

2. Vader wasn't taken by surprise when he fought Maul, have you even read the friggin' comic?

3. Show me where I ever said ROTS Vader > OT Vader with the Force.

4. If Force Choking weaker opponents ends everything how come Revan didn't Force Choke Bastila and her fellow Jedi when they were about to fight with sabers? How come Vader didn't choe all the Jedi in Purge, how come Vader didn't choke Bene and Cin at the same time with the Force? It's because you can survive w/out oxygen for 3 minutes - during that time Vos and Ti could cut up Vader w/ their sabers while Vader is busy trying to Choke them.

should be good enough proof that ROTS Vader > OT Vader or, as a bare minimum, Vader halfway between ROTS and ANH.

Originally posted by kiddo44
So DS your saying in force powers that ROTS Anakin/Vader is stronger than ANH Vader, wtf?

He is not better overall

first off reven was up against 4 jedi instead of 2
and anakin didnt do that because he liked fighting with his lighsaber

and yes i have read the comic and maul just leaps at vader, do you honestly think vader expected a tattooed gymnist with a double bladed lightsaber to leap out at him and start cutting away?

and not much is known of vader during this time and how powerful he was its all approximation and by approximation vader would be strong if he had to hunt friggin JEDI!!! across the galaxy

he could hold them in a force choke away from him so they couldnt use thier lightsabers

Originally posted by darthsith19
1. Vos and Ti >>> Cin and Bene
2. ROTS pre-suit Vader >> Vader halfway between ROTS and ANH
3. Vader doesn't ever fight Cin while Force Choking anybody. He also never Force Chokes Bene, he puts his hand around her throat.

Originally posted by darthsith19

If Vader didn't use the Force then he was either:
A. Unconfident that he could beat Maul with the Force

Originally posted by darthsith19

Either one makes him closer to Maul. It wasn't a sabers only fight, it was an all-out fight. If Vader didn't use the Force that only reflects badly on him and it doesn't change the fact that Maul was winning 99% of the fight.

Originally posted by darthsith19

Unfortunately, it isn't OT Vader in this fight. jollyjim can reply if he wants. I agree that Ot Vader is far above RODV Vader, though.

Originally posted by darthsith19

Did I ever say Vader wouldn't beat Tsui Choi one on one? No, what I said was Vader was only winning in Purge before Choi joined in, after that he got owned. It was ANH Vader who killed the dark woman and she put up a pretty good fight against him. That comic shows the other Jedi being weak, leaping at their opponents foolishly and running right into lightsaber blades, ect.

Originally posted by darthsith19

Nope, just not a fanboy. I don't always say Vader loses. Guess what? vader beats Maul, Vader beats Asajj, Vader beats Sora Bulq, Vader beats Vodo-Siosk Baas, Vader beats Grievous, there's tons of ppl I think Vader could beat.

Originally posted by darthsith19

Prove that he is much stronger than RODV Vader. Use feats. to prove it. And Vos and Ti >>>>>> Siadem Forte and Iwo Kulka.

Originally posted by darthsith19

And all you've done is attacked my proof, how about you prove why Vader wins.

Oh and darth sith ROTS presuit vader is not superior to OT vader overall. Its more of a balance since presuit > suit in sabers and suit > presuit in the force. Get it?

So overall i would say they are equals

Originally posted by darthsith19

4. If Force Choking weaker opponents ends everything how come Revan didn't Force Choke Bastila and her fellow Jedi when they were about to fight with sabers? How come Vader didn't choe all the Jedi in Purge, how come Vader didn't choke Bene and Cin at the same time with the Force? It's because you can survive w/out oxygen for 3 minutes - during that time Vos and Ti could cut up Vader w/ their sabers while Vader is busy trying to Choke them.

Vader isnt stupid to choke 2 jedis especially when it takes time to kill them. Vos and shaak can counter with a force push. So vader would just execute a force crush which will completely immobalise them and in all cases the victim dies quickly

Force wise yes but isnt maul superior to vos and shaak ti?

He is not better overall

first off reven was up against 4 jedi instead of 2

and anakin didnt do that because he liked fighting with his lighsaber

and yes i have read the comic and maul just leaps at vader, do you honestly think vader expected a tattooed gymnist with a double bladed lightsaber to leap out at him and start cutting away?

and not much is known of vader during this time and how powerful he was its all approximation and by approximation vader would be strong if he had to hunt friggin JEDI!!! across the galaxy

And are you saying that Vos and Ti together couldn't take down the Jedi that Vader did between ROTS and ANH? Okay, who did Vader take down during that time that Vos and Ti couldn't have taken down? Or Maul?

he could hold them in a force choke away from him so they couldnt use thier lightsabers

Or hasty as he decided to be dumb enough to challenge maul and just to let you know maul is completely an unknown to him in terms of fighting.

Zomg then i guess TPM reflects badly on maul as he didnt really use the force to take down qui gon or obiwan in the midst of the duel. Faulty logic and by the way in ANH and ROTJ vader didnt use the force either so i guess that means he is an idiot? Well apparantly his apprentice killed shaak ti and vaders apprentice is no where even close to vader in power

Right and force unleashed vader is lets say around 10 years later of rodv? By then he should have considerably grown stronger

Right and purge took place what? 3-5 weeks after ROTS when he has yet to learn anything? When he is still hasty and cocky? And by the way the dark woman DID put up a good fight, Until vader got serious and used the force

Vader beats maul? Force wise yes but isnt maul superior to vos and shaak ti?

Force crushing a tank the size of an ATAT, Eaw proved he was capable of doing it

2 words. The force

When has Vader ever went into a battle using the Force first? Everytime I've seen him fight he first uses a saber, so there's no reason why he wouldn't do that here, and in a saber fight the duo kills him.

Oh and darth sith ROTS presuit vader is not superior to OT vader overall. Its more of a balance since presuit > suit in sabers and suit > presuit in the force. Get it?

So overall i would say they are equals

So vader would just execute a force crush which will completely immobalise them and in all cases the victim dies quickly

Quinlan alone would not be an easy match for Maul.

Originally posted by darthsith19

What's Eaw?

Originally posted by darthsith19

Right, and Vos and Ti are just going to stand there and let Vader attack them with the Force and put up no resistence. 🙄

Originally posted by darthsith19

When has Vader ever went into a battle using the Force first? Everytime I've seen him fight he first uses a saber, so there's no reason why he wouldn't do that here, and in a saber fight the duo kills him.

Originally posted by darthsith19

So then overall ROTS Vader would nearly get beaten by Darth Maul? Right... 🙄

Originally posted by darthsith19

Okay, prove that he can Force Choke 2 Jedi at once.

Originally posted by darthsith19

Your admitting this, yet Maul is [b]stronger than Vader is 10 years after ROTS, so how can you say that Vader would take out both Shaak Ti and Quinlan Vos, 2 on 1? [/B]

the sheer ignorance in this thread makes me want to douse myself in gas and run through a fire.

resistence would be useless unless they have a force shield technique which vader will still overpower them due to his level in the force

Right and he wont die the moment he ons his saber because why? He defended and killed 2 jedi knights who attacked him at the same time and his lightsaber form is described as unpredictable which would be unknown to vos and shaak ti

In the name of god you are an embarrasment to man kind. This is comapring rots vader to suited vader you dumbass was i referring to maul? Now obviously presuit vader is superior to maul in saber combat

He doesnt, a saber lock in the midst of the duel will allow him to knock one down and quickly kill the other

Stronger as in saber combat? Yes but in the force? Hell no as you failed to prove it which you cant.

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