Darth Vader vs Shaak Ti, Quinlan Vos,

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darthsith19 Arm-Wrestler

Originally posted by jollyjim311
http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=79&page=121

Good job, you've proven that Vader can Force Choke somebody and use what may be Force Grip, Crush or push, on somebody else at the same time. Unfortunately, while Vader is using grip/crush/push on Shaak or Vos, and choke on the other, the one who he is choking could still stab him in the back with a lightsaber. If that was Vos on the ground instead of that fury guy, Vos could have stabbed Vader in the back when Vader turned his back on him to force crush/grip/push Ti, or vica-versa.

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Originally posted by darthsith19
Okay, prove that Vader can Force Choke 2 ppl at once.
Prove that he cant seeing that sidious and dooku coul use 2 hands to shock many people at once

Originally posted by darthsith19

Okay. As stated before Forte and Kulka are leagues below Vos and Ti. Having an unpredicatble form is an advantage, but did it help Vader with Maul or the Dark Woman?
Maul was an excellent duelist and mastered juyo to its highest and pushed himself beyond his limits which of course renders vaders form not so effective and as for the dark woman vader literaly overpowered her when he got serious in sword play alone till she pulled suprise attacks.

Originally posted by darthsith19

And you are a fvcking dumbass. Was I even replying to you when I said that? No, I was replying to alterangel. What I said there has nothing to do with what we are debating, pay more attention, you never said what I replied to. alterangel was the one who said that.
Then say so fool. I assumed you targeted this at me simply because this debate is between you and me. Next time be smart enough to actually label who your talking to

Originally posted by darthsith19

And how's he going to lock the blade of an [b]ataru master at all, let alone long enough to Force Choke somebody else while not being deheaded in the process?[/B]
Zomg he cant block ataru at all seeing he did that to obi wan and tsui choi nice logic man. And his form includes other elements of other forms to aid him seeing that he is less mobile than before which again will question weather shaak or vos will even sucessfully land a blow. And he wouldnt be stupid enough to choke one and fend of another with a saber. What can he do? Force wave blowing back both of them and quickly kill one of them with the force or he could do what dooku did to obiwan.

Originally posted by darthsith19

Obviously, since I didn't state "in saber combat" or "with the Force" I was referring to overall. Generally if somebody says "person A is stronger than person B." and they don't specify in what category person A is stronger in, they are referring to overall power. 🙄
And in overall power suit vader > presuit vader, Vader > maul seeing that overall refers to strength in the force generally

Originally posted by darthsith19

Good job, you've proven that Vader can Force Choke somebody and use what may be Force Grip, Crush or push, on somebody else at the same time. Unfortunately, while Vader is using grip/crush/push on Shaak or Vos, and choke on the other, the one who he is choking could still stab him in the back with a lightsaber. If that was Vos on the ground instead of that fury guy, Vos could have stabbed Vader in the back when Vader turned his back on him to force crush/grip/push Ti, or vica-versa.
Unfortunately he would quickly push shaak ti away while in a saber lock with vos and then immobalise vos and quickly kill him while shaak ti is down and then he proceeds to annihilate vos

darthsith19 Arm-Wrestler
Prove that he cant seeing that sidious and dooku coul use 2 hands to shock many people at once

You're the one who said he could do it - you're the one who has to provide the proof. Sidious > Vader, and when did Dooku ever zap more than one person at a time?

Maul was an excellent duelist and mastered juyo to its highest and pushed himself beyond his limits which of course renders vaders form not so effective and as for the dark woman vader literaly overpowered her when he got serious in sword play alone till she pulled suprise attacks.

How does mastering juyo make an unpredictable form not as effective? And Vader was being serious with the dark woman the entire time and she still put up a good fight.

Then say so fool. I assumed you targeted this at me simply because this debate is between you and me. Next time be smart enough to actually label who your talking to

Or you could just realise that you never said what I was responding to. Or can you not remember what you said? 😆

Zomg he cant block ataru at all seeing he did that to obi wan and tsui choi nice logic man.

OMFG, first off, Kenobi uses Soresu, not Ataru. Secondly, prove that Tsui Choi uses Ataru. Thirdly, show me where he put Tsui Choi in a saber lock.

And his form includes other elements of other forms to aid him seeing that he is less mobile than before which again will question weather shaak or vos will even sucessfully land a blow.

And he's going to block one of their sabers while Force Crushing the other?

And he wouldnt be stupid enough to choke one and fend of another with a saber. What can he do? Force wave blowing back both of them and quickly kill one of them with the force or he could do what dooku did to obiwan.

How about Force Wave, pushing both of them back, then crushing one, while he's doing so the other attacks him with the Force, how about he crushes Shaak Ti and meanwhile Vos zaps his ass with Force Lightning?

And in overall power suit vader > presuit vader, Vader > maul seeing that overall refers to strength in the force generally

No, overall is sabers and Force, and ROTS Vader > OT Vader, unless you want to argue that Maul would nearly best pre-suit Vader. It goes ROTS Vader > OT Vader > Maul.

Unfortunately he would quickly push shaak ti away while in a saber lock with vos and then immobalise vos and quickly kill him while shaak ti is down and then he proceeds to annihilate vos

Ataru deals with speed, Vos would never lock sabers with Vader, as soon as their blades touched he's attack again, and again, if Vader turned to Shaak Ti to push her for even a second, his head would end up twenty feet away from his body. Not to mention he'd have to find an opening during the saber duel between him and Vos and Ti, who would be attacking him at the same time, before he could even attempt to push her away.

alterangel Serving the Living Force

ok the real debate i see is: is vader> quinlan and ti in the force

if so then vader wins because he can force cruch,choke,throw them into a shaft from far away

if not then it comes down to master with a lightsaber wich quinlan and vos take

but like your argument was darthsith, vader went into combat with lightsaber first how would he fare, finding out he was bested would he resert to using the force

and if vader is stronger in the force than both and used it from far away how could quinlan or ti hurt him with their lighsabers, a saber throw would just give vader the oppurtunity to take their lightsabers via the force because (if he is) more powerful

so instead of debated how he would fair in a saber duel (which all comes down to theory and chance and timing) why not debate if vader>quinlan or ti in the force if we can decide that then its over vader wins or loses according to that

alterangel Serving the Living Force

oh sorry i mean quinlan and ti take

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Originally posted by darthsith19
You're the one who said he could do it - you're the one who has to provide the proof. Sidious > Vader, and when did Dooku ever zap more than one person at a time?
No but dooku could use 2 handed lightning. Apparantly you seem to severely lack common sense, If a force user can unleash an attack with one of his hands wouldnt it be logical to assume he can use both his hands at the same time? Or are you going to tell me if you lose one arm you cant even use the force?
Originally posted by darthsith19

How does mastering juyo make an unpredictable form not as effective? And Vader was being serious with the dark woman the entire time and she still put up a good fight.
Because 1) Maul is one of the greatest duelists 2) Having a good form doesnt garentee a victory against a juyo practitionar who pushed himself beyond the limits.
3) Actually it was a regular duel between vader and DW until vader got serious when he started to over power her

Originally posted by darthsith19

Or you could just realise that you never said what I was responding to. Or can you not remember what you said? 😆
Dont attempt to confuse me here darth sith, The fact remains that i took it you targeted it at me simply because you didnt even bother to list the fella whom your talking to.

Advent does it, so does every member here save for you

Originally posted by darthsith19

OMFG, first off, Kenobi uses Soresu, not Ataru. Secondly, prove that Tsui Choi uses Ataru. Thirdly, show me where he put Tsui Choi in a [b]saber lock.
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My bad. Show me where an ataru user will land a blow on vader? Right yoda used ataru due to his height and isnt choi around the same size?

Oh and by the way vader can block an ataru strike

Originally posted by darthsith19

And he's going to block one of their sabers while Force Crushing the other?
Yup or he can just use force wave to knock them both and execute crush to finish one off

Originally posted by darthsith19

How about Force Wave, pushing both of them back, then crushing one, while he's doing so the other attacks him with the Force, how about he crushes Shaak Ti and meanwhile Vos zaps his ass with Force Lightning?
Your actually assuming that the one who got pushed recovers immediately which wont happen seeing that vader could crush a human beings bone after slamming him into the wall quickly. And if vos uses lightning vader has the saber

Originally posted by darthsith19

No, overall is sabers and Force, and ROTS Vader > OT Vader, unless you want to argue that Maul would nearly best pre-suit Vader. It goes ROTS Vader > OT Vader > Maul.
Um ROTS vader CANNOT compare to vader in the force unless you want to prove it which *lol* you can never do and the same goes for suited vader in the lightsaber category so that pretty much makes it vader is stronger than presuit vader overall judging from the fact that if your stronger in the force, you are stronger than your opponent who is below you in the force
Originally posted by darthsith19

Ataru deals with speed, Vos would never lock sabers with Vader
Seeing that sidious locked yodas ataru. so would vaders because guess what? Sidious is the one who saber locked. not yoda
Originally posted by darthsith19

, as soon as their blades touched he's attack again, and again, if
Lets not forget the jedis in RODV attacked him at the same time and both were very fast opponents

Originally posted by darthsith19

Vader turned to Shaak Ti to push her for even a second, his head would end up twenty feet away from his body.
You are actually assuming that vader does this in the middle of a saber duel blocking and striking which *lol* he isnt stupid enough to do
Originally posted by darthsith19

Not to mention he'd have to find an opening during the saber duel between him and Vos and Ti, who would be attacking him at the same time, before he could even attempt to push her away.
Which in comics and novels he took down 4 jedis at once when they all attacked him

darthsith19 Arm-Wrestler

No but dooku could use 2 handed lightning. Apparantly you seem to severely lack common sense, If a force user can unleash an attack with one of his hands wouldnt it be logical to assume he can use both his hands at the same time? Or are you going to tell me if you lose one arm you cant even use the force?

Prove that he can focus on 2 different targets at once.

Because 1) Maul is one of the greatest duelists 2) Having a good form doesnt garentee a victory against a juyo practitionar who pushed himself beyond the limits.
3) Actually it was a regular duel between vader and DW until vader got serious when he started to over power her

1. So an unpredictable form wouldn't effect a great duelist as much as it you effect a good one? 2. No, but it would make him closer to the Juyo user to the same degree that it would make him closer to the Ataru User (Vos).
3. Prove that he wasn't serious the entire time. In a regular duel each person is serious.

Show me where an ataru user will land a blow on vader?

The head, leg, arm, shoulder, torso, pretty mucy anywhere could possibly recieve a blow.

Right yoda used ataru due to his height and isnt choi around the same size?

Yup, and Mace is around the same height at Dooku, but he didn't use Makashi, Kenobi and Sidious are the same height but use different forms, Qui-Gon and Dooku are the same height but use different forms. Hopefully you have more proof that "their the same hights so they much use the same form."

Oh and by the way vader can block an ataru strike

Yup, I havn't disagreed yet.

Yup or he can just use force wave to knock them both and execute crush to finish one off
And after he uses Force Wave, pushing both of them back, then crushes one, what's to stop the other Jedi, while he's doing from attacking him with the Force, how about he crushes Shaak Ti and meanwhile Vos zaps his ass with Force Lightning?

Your actually assuming that the one who got pushed recovers immediately which wont happen seeing that vader could crush a human beings bone after slamming him into the wall quickly. And if vos uses lightning vader has the saber

That was a regular human, prove that he has enough power to Force Push two Jedi at once hard enough to crush their bones. And how the hell is Vader going to block lightning and Force Crush somebody at the same time?
Um ROTS vader CANNOT compare to vader in the force unless you want to prove it which *lol* you can never do and the same goes for suited vader in the lightsaber category so that pretty much makes it vader is stronger than presuit vader overall judging from the fact that if your stronger in the force, you are stronger than your opponent who is below you in the force

Lol, dude, look at your logic:
Kadesh: "OT Vader is stronger in the Force so he must be stronger overall!"

Since when did "the force" = "overall"? If all that mattered is how strong you are in the Force, then Nihilus would beat everybody except Luke and everybody in the PT would lose to OT Vader except Yoda and Sidious. And Dooku would > ROTS Anakin. But that's not the way it works, cause overall power includes things besides just the Force.

Seeing that sidious locked yodas ataru. so would vaders because guess what? Sidious is the one who saber locked. not yoda

You can't prove that Sidious locked Yoda's blade and not the other way around.

Lets not forget the jedis in RODV attacked him at the same time and both were very fast opponents

Lol, okay Kadesh, lets hear the proof beind the statement that Siamed Forte and Iwo Kulka are fast Jedi.

You are actually assuming that vader does this in the middle of a saber duel blocking and striking which *lol* he isnt stupid enough to do

Lets see... when he fought the Dark Woman, he first attacked her with his lightsaner and not with the Force. When he fought Maul, he first attacked him with his lightsaner and not with the Force. When he atatcked Roan Shryne, he first attacked him with his lightsaner and not with the Force. When he fought ANH Kenobi, he first attacked him with his lightsaner and not with the Force. When he attacked the Jedi in Purge, he first attacked them with his lightsaner and not with the Force. Wait, he's not stupid enough to go into battle using his lightsaber first and not the Force? And once he engages Shaak and Quinlan in a saber combat there will be no chance to use the Force, because they will be relentless in their attack.

Which in comics and novels he took down 4 jedis at once when they all attacked him

Okay. So are you trying to say that he could take down Vos and Ti in a lightsaber duel? 😆

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Originally posted by darthsith19
Prove that he can focus on 2 different targets at once.
Prove that he cant seeonmg he blown back several animals at once

Originally posted by darthsith19

1. So an unpredictable form wouldn't effect a great duelist as much as it you effect a good one? 2. No, but it would make him closer to the Juyo user to the same degree that it would make him closer to the Ataru User (Vos).
3. Prove that he wasn't serious the entire time. In a regular duel each person is serious.
Firstly juyo and ataru are 2 different things and vader have obviously fought and countered ataru opponents with ease and what has vos done which is impressive? Right none

And prove he was serious DarthSith. You always ask for proof when you yourself prove nothing. And no they arent serious in every duel. Look at vader in ESB for example

Originally posted by darthsith19

The head, leg, arm, shoulder, torso, pretty mucy anywhere could possibly recieve a blow.
Your assuming vos kills vader with the first strike of the vader is which is *lol* utter bullshit

Originally posted by darthsith19

Yup, and Mace is around the same height at Dooku, but he didn't use Makashi, Kenobi and Sidious are the same height but use different forms, Qui-Gon and Dooku are the same height but use different forms. Hopefully you have more proof that "their the same hights so they much use the same form."
Omfg your are an idiot beyond belief. I said yoda used form IV because it enabled him to over come the limitations of his height since ataru it is assisted by force assisted acrobatics which obviously tsui choi would be another user of seeing he did alot of acrobatics while using a lightsaber throughout his life

Form IV enabled him to overcome the limitations of his height and reach. He was an exceptional swordsman, displaying amazing speed and dexterity, leaping through the air and twirling as he battered at an opponent's defenses

What was it you were saying?

Originally posted by darthsith19

And after he uses Force Wave, pushing both of them back, then crushes one, what's to stop the other Jedi, while he's doing from attacking him with the Force, how about he crushes Shaak Ti and meanwhile Vos zaps his ass with Force Lightning?
Lol? You forgot vader has a lightsaber to block lightning and crush shaak at the same time. Seriously darth sith your logic fcuking sucks. 2 ppl fighting one opponent = they 2 win? Maul fought obi wan and quigon whom both are stronger than vos and shaak ti and you yourself self said maul would lose to them

Originally posted by darthsith19

That was a regular human, prove that he has enough power to Force Push [b]two Jedi at once hard enough to crush their bones. And how the hell is Vader going to block lightning and Force Crush somebody at the same time?[/B]
Lol idiot theres the lightsaber. And seeing bastila who pushed revan, jolee and junahi i dont see why vader who is much stronger than bastila cant do the same thing if especially bastila landed a force push on revan who is one of the most powerful jedis.

And odan urr who is 1000 years old also managed to push exar kun whom is more powerful than he is.

Now darthsith prove that he cannot push 2 at once after seeing bastila did

Originally posted by darthsith19

Lol, dude, look at your logic:
Kadesh: "OT Vader is stronger in the Force so he [b]must be stronger overall!"[/B]
Lol before you ramble about my logic lets look at yours.

Darthsith "PT vader is stronger in lightsaber but weaker in the force so he MUST be stronger overall!!!!!!!!"

Get the point? Nope because your logic is shit

Originally posted by darthsith19

Since when did "the force" = "overall"?
Since when "the lightsaber" = overall? Seeing than PT vader hardly did anything with the force
Originally posted by darthsith19

If all that mattered is how strong you are in the Force, then Nihilus would beat everybody except Luke
Because of onetechnique?
Sidious has that technique , revan has more knowledge of the force and did more impressive feats. Really? Nihilus has yet to do anything which impresses us. He lost to the exile which was described as an average force user
Originally posted by darthsith19

and everybody in the PT would lose to OT Vader except Yoda and Sidious. And Dooku would > ROTS Anakin. But that's not the way it works, cause overall power includes things besides just the Force.
While you are right here you also seem to forget than just because guy A is better than guy B in sabers but not the force = guy a > guy b which is precisely what you have been doing.

Oh and dooku is better than anakin overall . Its just he never had a chance to open force techniques.

Originally posted by darthsith19

You can't prove that Sidious locked Yoda's blade and not the other way around.
Lets see. His blade was above sidious. What were you saying again? Oh and even if sidious DID lock his blade it means one thing: Ataru users blade an get locked
Originally posted by darthsith19

Lol, okay Kadesh, lets hear the proof beind the statement that Siamed Forte and Iwo Kulka are fast Jedi.
The novel stated they are skilled duelists and also the fact that they had altered their fighting style throughout the duel and from what i remember soresu, ataru and djem so are the most common among jedi.

Your shitty logic of vader cannot fight fast opponents holds no weight at all

Originally posted by darthsith19

Lets see... when he fought the Dark Woman, he first attacked her with his lightsaner and not with the Force. When he fought Maul, he first attacked him with his lightsaner and not with the Force. When he atatcked Roan Shryne, he first attacked him with his lightsaner and not with the Force. When he fought ANH Kenobi, he first attacked him with his lightsaner and not with the Force. When he attacked the Jedi in Purge, he first attacked them with his lightsaner and not with the Force. Wait, he's not stupid enough to go into battle using his lightsaber first and not the Force? And once he engages Shaak and Quinlan in a saber combat there will be no chance to use the Force, because they will be relentless in their attack.
Really? and who knows, it could be vader being relentless attacking over and over again. Seeing that as an inexperienced cocky ass vader he could parry the attacks of 4 jedi masters at once and your making the basless assumption that vader will go down immediately.

Guess what darthsith. If vader sees 2 opponents lunging at him at the same time both going to strike at the same time he would be smart enough to quickly force wave them seeing that bastila a weakling also did the same thing when revans party attacked her.

Originally posted by darthsith19

Okay. So are you trying to say that he could take down Vos and Ti in a lightsaber duel? 😆
It is possible seeing that vos and to have never done anything impressive with the saber

darthsith19 Arm-Wrestler

Prove that he cant seeonmg he blown back several animals at once

When did he blow back several animals at once?

Firstly juyo and ataru are 2 different things and vader have obviously fought and countered ataru opponents with ease and what has vos done which is impressive? Right none

What has Vos done which is impressive? Oh boy, here goes:
1. Defeated Volfe Karkko
2. Defeated tol Skorr and Kadrian Set at the same time
3. Later pwns Tol Skorr one on one
4. Kills Sora Bulq
5. Beats Tholme in a duel
6. Beats K'Kruhk in a duel
7. Survivies Order 66

Not impressive, eh?

Your assuming vos kills vader with the first strike of the vader is which is *lol* utter bullshit

"is which is"? No, but after Vos gets one hit on vader he will keep landing blows on him at a faster rate after that until Vader dies.

I said yoda used form IV because it enabled him to over come the limitations of his height since ataru it is assisted by force assisted acrobatics which obviously tsui choi would be another user of seeing he did alot of acrobatics while using a lightsaber throughout his life

Okay, and Vader never got anywhere near landing a blow on Tsui Choi. So what's your point, anyways?

Lol? You forgot vader has a lightsaber to block lightning and crush shaak at the same time. Seriously darth sith your logic fcuking sucks. 2 ppl fighting one opponent = they 2 win? Maul fought obi wan and quigon whom both are stronger than vos and shaak ti and you yourself self said maul would lose to them

The 2 win in this case, yes. prove that vader can block lightning and choke Ti at the same time. OMFG, Qui-Gon and Kenobi are both stronger than Vos and Ti? ROTFL, no, Ti and Vos >>> QUI-Gon and TPM Kenobi. I assume you made a typing error.

Lol idiot theres the lightsaber. And seeing bastila who pushed revan, jolee and junahi i dont see why vader who is much stronger than bastila cant do the same thing if especially bastila landed a force push on revan who is one of the most powerful jedis.

And odan urr who is 1000 years old also managed to push exar kun whom is more powerful than he is.

Now darthsith prove that he cannot push 2 at once after seeing bastila did


fyi, it's not Jedis, it's just Jedi (dumbass). Prove that vader can block lightning and Force Choke somebody at the same time of stfu. Okay, yesa, Vader can Force Push them both at the same time, I've already admitted this, geeze, pay more attention, I said after he pushes them they aren't just going to lay there on the ground and let him Force Crush them!

Lol before you ramble about my logic lets look at yours.

Darthsith "PT vader is stronger in lightsaber but weaker in the force so he MUST be stronger overall!!!!!!!!"

Get the point? Nope because your logic is shit


My logic actually has feats behind it:
- ROTS Vader is the same as ROTS Anakin, who beat Dooku quite easily. OT Vader was barely able to beat Maul. Who seems stronger here?
- ROTS Vader beat Cin, Bene and Whie at the same time. The Dark Woman put up a good fight against Vader. Who seems stronger here?
- ROTS Vader would have beaten ROTS Kenobi but Kenobi got lucky. ANH Vader was equally close to a weaker version of Kenobi. Who seems stronger here?

I'd love to see some reasons why OT Vader is stronger besides just "He's stronger with the Force so he MUST be stronger overall!".

Show me where I said that he couldn't Force Push them, please.

Nihilus has yet to do anything which impresses us. He lost to the exile which was described as an average force user

He held a starfleet together using the Force, proving that he has uber telikenisis skills, and he Force Drained an entire planet. What other Force User has done anything of this calibur?

When he fought the Exile he was hungry, and the Exile couldn';t be Force Drained, those are the only reasons he beat Nihilus.

dooku is better than anakin overall . Its just he never had a chance to open force techniques

Why not? Because Anakin didn't let him. And guess what? That makes Anakin stronger.

Lets see. His blade was above sidious. What were you saying again? Oh and even if sidious DID lock his blade it means one thing: Ataru users blade an get locked

an get blocked, eh? The only time they locked was at the beginning before the fight got moved to the Great Rotunda, and they both locked each other's blades, either of them could have moved their blade at any time.

The novel stated they are skilled duelists and also the fact that they had altered their fighting style throughout the duel and from what i remember soresu, ataru and djem so are the most common among jedi.

They altered their fighting stles during a 1/4 page duel? Right... lets get a quote on that bullshit.

And a quote that says they are skilled duelists.

Your shitty logic of vader cannot fight fast opponents holds no weight at all

That's good, because I never said that vader cannot fight fast opponents, I said he cannot Force Curush fast opponents while fending off their blades.

Really? and who knows, it could be vader being relentless attacking over and over again. Seeing that as an inexperienced cocky ass vader he could parry the attacks of 4 jedi masters at once and your making the basless assumption that vader will go down immediately.

1. Show me where I ever said Vader will go down immediately.
2. Yeah, cause Vader 19 years after ROTS has way less experience than Vader 10 years after ROTS, right? 🙄

Guess what darthsith. If vader sees 2 opponents lunging at him at the same time both going to strike at the same time he would be smart enough to quickly force wave them seeing that bastila a weakling also did the same thing when revans party attacked her.

So that's why when Maul lunged at him Vader used a Force Wave, right? And don't try and say that the Vader who faught Maul was "less experienced", because that was ANH Vader, Vader with 9 more years experience than the Vader in this thread.

It is possible seeing that vos and to have never done anything impressive with the saber

You mean like killing Volfe Karkko, killing Sora Bulq, defeating Tholme, K'Kruhk, owning Tol Skorr and comfortably beating Tol Skorr and Kadrian Sey at the same time? Not impressive, eh?

kiddo44 Senior Member

When did he blow back several animals at once?
http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=79&page=038

darthsith19 Arm-Wrestler

Okay, now we know he can Force Push Vos and Ti at the same time (incidentally, I already admitted that he could).

We were actually discussing Dooku, though, and Kadesh said that Dooku blew several animals back at once. I think he was getting Dooku and Vader mixed up, though.

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Originally posted by darthsith19
When did he blow back several animals at once?
The link was just posted
Originally posted by darthsith19

What has Vos done which is impressive? Oh boy, here goes:
1. Defeated Volfe Karkko
2. Defeated tol Skorr and Kadrian Set at the same time
3. Later pwns Tol Skorr one on one
4. Kills Sora Bulq
5. Beats Tholme in a duel
6. Beats K'Kruhk in a duel
7. Survivies Order 66

Not impressive, eh?

No because vader could have killed them all easily and hahaha surviving order 66 = he tough man? He could have been hiding! Sia lan wezz he took part in the battle of naboo and the clonewars too survived yet she got wtf pwned by vader and her bod decapitated before her corpse hit the floor.

And by killing those few people is it relevant that he is even going to kill vader?

Originally posted by darthsith19

"is which is"? No, but after Vos gets one hit on vader he will keep landing blows on him at a faster rate after that until Vader dies.
Thats very funny. Maul who is obviously far stronger than vos in a pure saber duel couldnt kill vader despite relentlessly attacking and as i said. vader himself can land the first blow and keep attacking vos till he dies while holding shaakti in a telekenetic grip.

Originally posted by darthsith19

Okay, and Vader never got anywhere near landing a blow on Tsui Choi. So what's your point, anyways?
That he CAN block an ataru attack as you tried to claim he cannot on the first blow

Originally posted by darthsith19

The 2 win in this case, yes. prove that vader can block lightning
Hey dumbshit. Do you ever actually read my posts? The lightsaber dumbass. Prove that he cant block lightning with it.
Originally posted by darthsith19

and choke Ti at the same time. OMFG, Qui-Gon and Kenobi are both stronger than Vos and Ti? ROTFL, no, Ti and Vos >>> QUI-Gon and TPM Kenobi. I assume you made a typing error.
In what way they are stronger? Seeing that obi wan held his ground against maul and if you put shaak ti in obi wans position maul would have annihilated her

Originally posted by darthsith19

fyi, it's not Jedi[b]s, it's just Jedi (dumbass). Prove that vader can block lightning and Force Choke somebody at the same time of stfu.
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Of stfu? Lol you mean "or stfu". Terrible Inglish dumbshit. 1) He has the lightsaber on one hand and he has the other hand for a force attack

Originally posted by darthsith19

Okay, yesa, Vader can Force Push them both at the same time, I've already admitted this, geeze, pay more attention,
ahahaha you just asked me earlier to prove weather or not he can push both of them which implied you think he cant force push them. Oh wait your c-o-n-t-r-a-d-i-c-t-i-n-g yourself
Originally posted by darthsith19

I said after he pushes them they aren't just going to lay there on the ground and let him Force Crush them!
Read again. Or vader can do what he loves to do. Use the terrain to pin one down and finish of the other

Originally posted by darthsith19

My logic actually has feats behind it:
- ROTS Vader is the same as ROTS Anakin, who beat Dooku quite easily. OT Vader was barely able to beat Maul. Who seems stronger here?
Nope your logic has stupidity beyond belief. Who seems stronger here in the lightsaber category? Anakin.

Dooku and vader hardly had time to use the force dumbshit and had they did their opponents would have gone down.

Seriously darth sith your an idiot beyond belief and an embarrasment to humanity. Did dooku use the force? Did vader use the force? So how can maul be stronger overall than vader if he is much weaker than vader in the force?

How can anakin be better overall than dooku if he is only better than in lightsabers?

Originally posted by darthsith19

- ROTS Vader beat Cin, Bene and Whie at the same time. The Dark Woman put up a good fight against Vader. Who seems stronger here?
- ROTS Vader would have beaten ROTS Kenobi but Kenobi got lucky. ANH Vader was equally close to a weaker version of Kenobi. Who seems stronger here?
Idiot the dark woman put up a good fight in a saber duel till vader resorted to the force and she got overpowered. So who is stronger? OT vader.

Your A>B>C is just blatant bullshit as your claims are which are all made up of ridiculous assumptions

Originally posted by darthsith19

I'd love to see some reasons why OT Vader is stronger besides just "He's stronger with the Force so he [b]MUST be stronger overall!".
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Id love to see why PT vader is stronger besides just
"He's stronger in the force so he MUST be stronger overall" when he has done far less than what OT vader did with the force.

Seriously darth sith your an idiot beyond belief and an embarrasment to humanity.

Originally posted by darthsith19

Show me where I said that he couldn't Force Push them, please.
Then why ask me to prove if he can push them in the first place? You obviously implied indirectly he couldnt push them because your a dumbass by nature
Originally posted by darthsith19

He held a starfleet together using the Force, proving that he has uber telikenisis skills, and he Force Drained an entire planet. What other Force User has done anything of this calibur?
Um no, he held his ship together with his so called will and if he were to die that means his ship will break apart right? Well he died and the shi didnt fall apart.

Apparantly yes darth sith, exar kun used sith tools to drain yavin 4. Sidious drained the entire planet of byss. Sidious lifted a SSD which is 19 kilometres and buried it in coruscant. Yoda lifted the top of a mountain. Sorry Dumbshit19 but you fail yet again

Originally posted by darthsith19

When he fought the Exile he was hungry, and the Exile couldn';t be Force Drained, those are the only reasons he beat Nihilus.
Fool firstly exiles a girl, not a guy. And he couldnt drain the exile as she had a defence to it. The fallanasi, tholme, sidious, yoda all had a defence to the "uber drain"

Originally posted by darthsith19

Why not? Because Anakin didn't let him. And guess what? That makes Anakin stronger.
Nope. Bad logic again becuse i might as well *lol* say that nihilus is better than anakin overall since he drains anakin and didnt let him draw out his lightsaber *lol* Doesnt make sense does it? why? Cuz im using darthsith's logic

Seriously DS by your logic anybody who is good in the lightsaber but not so great with the force is better than some one who has decent dueling skills and much much greater with the force

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Originally posted by darthsith19

an get blocked, eh? The only time they locked was at the beginning before the fight got moved to the Great Rotunda, and they both locked each other's blades, either of them could have moved their blade at any time.
Which is what will happen in this fight

Originally posted by darthsith19

They altered their fighting stles during a 1/4 page duel? Right... lets get a quote on that bullshit.
You are the only one who is spewing bullshit and who have yet to even prove they can take vader down. *lol* the fight between luke and sidious is only what? 3/4 of a comic page? So that means its a very short duel? Wrong, its actually alot longer. And for some one to switch styles it would take a while to know that the current style your using at the moment is of no use which you will find out after a while?

You want the quote? I dont have the luxury of giving it to babbling idiots like you so ill give you the page. 276

Originally posted by darthsith19

And a quote that says they are skilled duelists.
Page 275 chapter 41
Originally posted by darthsith19

That's good, because I never said that vader cannot fight fast opponents, I said he cannot Force Curush fast opponents while fending off their blades.
It doesnt matter how fast you are because a telekentic force attack doesnt travel in a strait line like lightning or drain. It instantly grabs you the moment the user executes it

Originally posted by darthsith19

1. Show me where I ever said Vader will go down immediately.
2. Yeah, cause Vader 19 years after ROTS has way less experience than Vader 10 years after ROTS, right? 🙄
i Drop that.
Originally posted by darthsith19

So that's why when Maul lunged at him Vader used a Force Wave,
Because it wasnt necessary? Because vader willingly took maul in a duel? Vader resorts to the force when necessary and had he tried to use the force maul could have knock his balance which would have made him fall into the lava
right? And don't try and say that the Vader who faught Maul was "less experienced", because that was ANH Vader, Vader with 9 more years experience than the Vader in this thread.

Originally posted by darthsith19

You mean like killing Volfe Karkko, killing Sora Bulq, defeating Tholme, K'Kruhk, owning Tol Skorr and comfortably beating Tol Skorr and Kadrian Sey at the same time? Not impressive, eh?
Nope because vader would have very quickly finished off all those opponents as you said

darthsith19 Arm-Wrestler

Which is what will happen in this fight

And why would Vos lock blades with Vader?
You are the only one who is spewing bullshit and who have yet to even prove they can take vader down. *lol* the fight between luke and sidious is only what? 3/4 of a comic page? So that means its a very short duel? Wrong, its actually alot longer. And for some one to switch styles it would take a while to know that the current style your using at the moment is of no use which you will find out after a while?

You want the quote? I dont have the luxury of giving it to babbling idiots like you so ill give you the page. 276


1. prove the fight between Forte, Kulka and Vader was long (and my saying it was short makes Vader seem more impressive, fyi). Page number does nothing as I don't own the book - provide the quote or stfu.
Page 275 chapter 41

You obviously have the book, so quote it.

It doesnt matter how fast you are because a telekentic force attack doesnt travel in a strait line like lightning or drain. It instantly grabs you the moment the user executes it

Okay, so yes, it will instantly grap Shaak, but it won't kill her instantly, it will take a half a second or so to crush her to death, in which time Vos should easily be able to execute a blow or 2 on Vader.
Because it wasnt necessary?

You're right, it wasn't necessary, because Vader won anyways, but only because he got lucky - if he hadn't, then it would have been necessary. So are you saying Vader is stupid?
Because vader willingly took maul in a duel?

Which is stupid and brings Vader down. What's to say that he won't willingly take Vos and Ti in a duel?
Vader resorts to the force when necessary and had he tried to use the force maul could have knock his balance which would have made him fall into the lava

Or slice his head off, which Vos and Ti could do if he tried to use the Force on them.

And don't try and say that the Vader who faught Maul was "less experienced", because that was ANH Vader, Vader with 9 more years experience than the Vader in this thread.

I was the one who said that to you, why the fvck did you just put it there, without quotes, and not reply to it at all? 😕

Nope because vader would have very quickly finished off all those opponents as you said

Right... 🙄 He could finish them off, but not easily. Karkko took on 5 Concil Members at once and the duel was described as being "great". Proof that Vader could finish off 5 Council Members very quickly? Bulq put up a good fight against Mace Windu. Proof that OT Vader > Mace Windu easily, let alone Vader 10 years after ROTS? Tholme and K'Kruhk are less impressive, I agree, oh yeah, and Vader could finish off Skorr and Sey, 2 on 1, very quickly, but then again, so did Vos.

kiddo44 Senior Member

Karkko took on 5 Concil Members at once and the duel was described as being "great". Proof that Vader could finish off 5 Council Members very quickly? Bulq put up a good fight against Mace Windu.
DS, your not trying to say you think Volfe and Sora Bulq could take Vader are you?

darthsith19 Arm-Wrestler
Originally posted by kiddo44
DS, your not trying to say you think Volfe and Sora Bulq could take Vader are you?
Originally posted by darthsith19
[Vader] could finish them off, but not easily.

Dude, that was the sentence before what you replied to. Read more carefull next time.

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Originally posted by darthsith19
And why would Vos lock blades with Vader?
Why wouldnt vader lock blades with them?

Originally posted by darthsith19

1. prove the fight between Forte, Kulka and Vader was long (and my saying it was short makes Vader seem more impressive, fyi). Page number does nothing as I don't own the book - provide the quote or stfu.
Prove to me its short seeing that you dont even own the book.

The fact weather it was long or not is irrelevant simply because they were skilled duelists and here are the quotes

And so forte and kulka went in as a team, each of them employing a different lightsaber style, determined to off balace vader

Seems that both using different styles didnt effect vader

Forte and kulka were skilled duelists

And heres to prove just because 2 people attack one person in a frenzy it doesnt mean they can take him down

He employed his awesome power to put a quick end to the fancy twirling of his opponents

That indicates they were using ataru as ataru have alot of force assisted acrobatics demonstrated by yoda and qui gon

Originally posted by darthsith19

You obviously have the book, so quote it.
Already have
Originally posted by darthsith19

Okay, so yes, it will instantly grap Shaak, but it won't kill her instantly, it will take a half a second or so to crush her to death, in which time Vos should easily be able to execute a blow or 2 on Vader.
Which vader can parry as he held one jedi in a telekenetic grip while parrying the attacks of 3 other jedis

Originally posted by darthsith19

You're right, it wasn't necessary, because Vader won anyways, but only because he got lucky - if he hadn't, then it would have been necessary. So are you saying Vader is stupid?
Nope but the fact that you are. Vader didnt have the chance to do it seeing that maul is one of the greatest duelists and pushed himself beyond the limit. This is however an isolated case
Originally posted by darthsith19

Which is stupid and brings Vader down. What's to say that he won't willingly take Vos and Ti in a duel?
He would. Iv just destroyed your assertion that if 2 ppl fight 1 dude the 2 people win. Vos and shaak ti are no where in the level of vader or maul
Originally posted by darthsith19

Or slice his head off, which Vos and Ti could do if he tried to use the Force on them.
And how are they going to hack at him when he uses the force? Force waving them would obviously send them back flying and they wouldnt be able to even swing their saber

Originally posted by darthsith19

I was the one who said that to you, why the fvck did you just put it there, without quotes, and not reply to it at all? 😕

And don't try and say that the Vader who faught Maul was "less experienced", because that was ANH Vader, Vader with 9 more years experience than the Vader in this thread. You mean this?

Sadly i never said vader was "less" experienced who fought maul at that time. Its the fact he wanted to take maul in a lightsaber duel and failing to realise maul is deadly in the arts of the lightsaber. Had vader known what maul is or how powerful he is, he would have taken him out with the force

Originally posted by darthsith19

Right... 🙄 He could finish them off, but not easily. Karkko took on 5 Concil Members at once and the duel was described as being "great". Proof that Vader could finish off 5 Council Members very quickly?
Lol? Sidious already stated not many jedi during the PT were even half as powerful as his suited form in RODV. And prove that he cant take out 5 council members with the force/ Whoa karkko defeating 5 members of the council? Or do you mean this :

He used his command of the Force to trap and consume many victims, before he was confronted and defeated by six representatives of the Jedi High Council on Kiffex.

Originally posted by darthsith19

Bulq put up a good fight against Mace Windu. Proof that OT Vader > Mace Windu easily, let alone Vader 10 years after ROTS? Tholme and K'Kruhk are less impressive, I agree, oh yeah, and Vader [b]could finish off Skorr and Sey, 2 on 1, very quickly, but then again, so did Vos. [/B]
Ot vader > mace? Depends on which category. Lightsaber? Hell no seeing that mace would wipe his ass But the force? Mace would get taken down though it wont be easy

Count Makashi Count Dookus number 1 fan
Originally posted by darthsith19
You're the one who said he could do it - you're the one who has to provide the proof. Sidious > Vader, and when did Dooku ever zap more than one person at a time?

http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=41&page=099

http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=41&page=100

kiddo44 Senior Member

Originally posted by Count Makashi
http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=41&page=099

http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=41&page=100

Count Dooku is such a badass.

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Originally posted by kiddo44
Count Dooku is such a badass.
Definately. Hes one of my favourite characters