Originally posted by quanchi112Was I talking to you? Do me a favor, and don't adress me when I'm speaking to someone else. I have every f#cking right in the world to post something about this discussion. I wasn't even debating, I was pointing something out. I am sick and tired of you harrasing and annoying people. Tend to your own damn buisness. And who are you calling a hypocrit? I have never insulted you when you were pointing something out to someone ELSE. Now back off, or I'll report you again.
u report me when nver is callin peopleco--scu---. wow i cant believe this. u call darthgoober out and say what the hell are u thinking then u report me after u call me a tard a milion times ya hypocrit.
starking, I warned quanchi. So at this point, let it go and don't make a further issue out of it. It's obvious you weren't bashing or even talking to him, so just let it go.
Because at this point, this thread is dangerously close to getting closed anyway. And if I have to come back for any reason, it will be.
The End was canon, Only beings that remember what happen during that event was Thanos, Adam Warlock, Death everybody else it never happened due to Thanos erasing it from everybody's memory even abstracts like LT etc. The End is canon, during Thanos mini he was reminiscing about all the power he obtain including HOTU.
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
OK, here's how I look at it.If The End isn't canon, then Infinity Abyss never happened, but that's not all...
If the End isn't canon, then Thanos's series isn't canon, which also goes into
Annihilation not being canon, which then goes into the last comics involving the F4 as not canon...
So, accept one thing, but then, a recent big part of Marvel never happened as well...
So, Thanos also isn't dead then as well.
Go figure.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
thanos of any reality with that much power can transfer the event to the mind of every thanos. as a matter of fact, thanos isn't even held to the same cosmic rules as everyone else. he's outside of the influence of eternity. could be multiple aspects of one thanos.what ever the cause, the story wasn't written as the 616.
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Originally posted by Jebus rebornWow...
Also, it happened to 616 Warlock as well, and he (normal 616 Warlock), was talking to Thanos (normal 616 Thanos), about the events, and Warlock (616 Warlock), knew that Thanos (616 Thanos) did this.
Did Thanos also rearrange Warlock's (616 Warlock) mind as well, since he was never shown to do anything to Warlock (616 Warlock)?
So, it stands to reason that Thanos's mini series isn't canon, neither is Annihilation, current F4 comics, and practically every current comic involving the F4.
Or:
Thanos implanted memories into 616 Thanos (because he knew that somehow this would do something), and I guess he also did so to Warlock (without doing anything to him none-the-less).Or:
It was canon.The first two seem quite reasonable, while the third one is just ridiculous...
Originally posted by Big Sexy
That must also mean that Civil War isn't canon since Nova has recently spoke to iron man and informed him of Annihilation.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Um how about it wasn't the 616?how about we dont' know why thanos or adam know about it.
but we do know they aren't bound to fate.
what the hell does annihilation have to do with anything?
Not a damned thing.
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
So, what exactly are you trying to say?That Thanos went into another universe and did this?
Because nothing in comics follows what you're saying...
Plus, what does bound by fate have to do with shit, either?
Annihilation has to do with this because, as I've already pointed out,
The End set up Thanos's series,
Thanos's series set up Annihilation, and if Thanos's series isn't canon,
then neither is Annihilation.
Pay attention.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Except that it was somewhere in the 616 multiverse. just not the 616.So the events could have still set up the Thanos series.
As I said. It wasn't the 616. It was out of continuity.
nuts
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Plus, this other universe, is supposed to be based on 616, an exact copy,but it still contradicts the mere fact that if it isn't canon,
then practically no story in Marvel is canon now...
A fact you so eagerly ignore.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And yet i never said the story wasn't canon.A fact you so eagerly ignore.
i said it wasn't the 616 universe and it wasn't in continuity.
Try to read with understanding.
bangin
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
And yet, I already addressed this a while ago...Actually, if the story didn't happen in 616, it isn't canon to the context of a thread.
So, I am arguing about this,
in case you need to actually know what the argument is about.
And yet, it did happen in 616, because continuity comics address it,
and as I'll repeat, these comics also make newer stories of Marvel non-canon,
if The End wasn't in continuity.
I hardly need understanding,
since you have completely been oblivious to how obvious the point is.
So, let me simplify it for you.
If The End = non-canon (not in continuity), then:
Thanos mini = non-canon (not in continuity).
Annihilation = non-canon (not in continuity).
Cival War = non-canon (not in continuity).
Capt's death = non-canon (not in continuity).
Heralds of Galactus = non-canon (not in continuity).
Fantastic Four (current) = non-canon (not in continuity).
Etc.
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Now this is some serious owning.
Magnificent job, Jebus.
Originally posted by King Kandy
I can't believe you fell for that one...
I was being sarcastic,
You really think I'm gonna fall for that cbr marketing scheme? 😉
Originally posted by King Kandy
As for the Andy Shmidt... There's definatly something weird going on here.
Yea, like a top notch Marvel editor not knowing the End is canon.
That cat sounds to me like a certain individual that passes by kmc ever so often, who's a master at explaining everything (with profound-like essays) though knowing either nothing, or knowing, but because of dissatisfaction with the truth, is forced to twist the facts meticulously and strategically by mixing truth with bull shit
It's a perfect ploy,
half truths are the most convincing lies.
My hat goes off to cbr though,
I bet that slick trick boosted their membership numbers significantly.
Originally posted by Mr Master
😆nuts
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Now this is some serious owning.
Magnificent job, Jebus.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlits all logically set out courtesy of mr master. it has to be canon or else all the current stuff ceases to exist if it isnt. nice job mr master i applaud ur thoroughly detailed posts.
I failed to see any thing that even remotely resembled pwning. All I saw was someone who disagreed with me and who made up a bunch of shit to sound cool. LMAO. If you call that pwning I wonder what you would call me when I made you look a fool sooo many times.
http://www.comicne.ws/index.php?search=andy+schmidt&tag=true
http://bullpenbulletinspodcast.com/index.php?option=com_joomlaboard&id=999&catid=8&func=sb_pdf
http://www.marvel.com/blogs//entry/80
if you seriously think that the andy schmidt who frequently interacts with cbr was an . . . "imposter" 😂 despite the fact that his being there was promoted by the above as well as other reputable sources, AND brevoort himself makes mention of cbr in his blog (he's very well aware of the site and communicates with it frequently) then . . . 😕
call me crazy, but i'm thinking marvel might have raised something of a stink over a fake editor answering questions for MONTHS on a site where the chief editor frequents . . . but whatever -- do your own research on cbr and decide for yourself if you think they are trustworthy.
and bran -- your logic tree fails right about . . . here:
If The End isn't canon, then Infinity Abyss never happened, but that's not all...If the End isn't canon, then Thanos's series isn't canon, which also goes into
why does it fail? because while at the same time they denounced THE END as canon (which they OBVIOUSLY understood HAD been once considered WITHIN continuity), they also came up with this VERY lame (yet marvel supported) explanation: something SIMILAR to the events in THE END happened to 616 thanos, but those events (which he is said to have alluded to in his series) were never depicted. so, "our" thanos actually referenced something the readers have not seen in his series.
assinine? clearly. and yet an explanation of sorts with the added bonus that it also serves to keep everything else IN that series in continuity AND leaves an opening for a story that could potentially be written to clear the whole mess once and for all. 🙂
there is also the fact that the handbook says the event happened on earth 4321 . . . 😬
i'm not saying it's not ridiculous. obviously it is. i'm just saying it's not in continuity. marvel f'd up and made a mess. oh well.
Originally posted by leonidas
if you seriously think that the andy schmidt who frequently interacts with cbr was an . . . "imposter" 😂 despite the fact that his being there was promoted by the above as well as other reputable sources, AND brevoort himself makes mention of cbr in his blog (he's very well aware of the site and communicates with it frequently) then . . .call me crazy, but i'm thinking marvel might have raised something of a stink over a fake editor answering questions for MONTHS on a site where the chief editor frequents . . . but whatever -- do your own research on cbr and decide for yourself if you think they are trustworthy.
I said either it was not him, or he was on drugs when he made his statement.
Anyhow I wasn't aiming my displeasure at you L, you know I respect you, actually I first thought you being sarcastic by posting cbr.forums as the "source" for Marvel facts, I thought we were both poking fun at cbr.
On the other hand,
On Panel (with an insurmountable amount of evidence)
and in the Bios:
(LT-Eternity-Infinity-the rest of the Cosmic Hierarchy, all reference the events of the END)
and in Marvel.com (On the All New Bibliography with an appearance timeline for characters) the END is again referenced plus the title of the issue and # are also displayed.
and the ONLY officially sponsored site by Marvel (Marvunapp) again, the THOTI has it's own bio, so does the Celestial Order, all approved as an event that took place in Marvel.
Not ONE of these sources mentions the 4321 Reality.
ONLY Akhenaten's Bio mentions the 4321 Reality, because that's where Aknhenaten is from, that's the Reality he ruled on account of the Celestial Order, the 4321 Reality (or a Past timeline of the 616 Reality)
referenced in book #1 The End. (Doom visited this Reality at one point during the End)
Originally posted by leonidas
why does it fail? because while at the same time they denounced THE END as canon (which they OBVIOUSLY understood HAD been once considered WITHIN continuity), they also came up with this VERY lame (yet marvel supported) explanation: something SIMILAR to the events in THE END happened to 616 thanos, but those events (which he is said to have alluded to in his series) were never depicted. so, "our" thanos actually referenced something the readers have not seen in his series.assinine? clearly. and yet an explanation of sorts with the added bonus that it also serves to keep everything else IN that series in continuity AND leaves an opening for a story that could potentially be written to clear the whole mess once and for all.
I don't believe that story, unless I read it from an Official Marvel source.
I think we both agree that story he's pumping is senseless.
Anyway, there's just too much On Panel and Bio proof to sway me, add the Officially Marvel sponsored site Bios and Marvel.com itself certifying the Canonicity and it becomes impossible to dispute the Fact that Marvel the End is Canon for the so many reasons Jebus pointed out.
Originally posted by leonidas
there is also the fact that the handbook says the event happened on earth 4321 . . .
What Handbook?
Marvunapp mentions 4321 but ONLY concerning Akhenaten's Origin,
In fact,
if you visit his Bio at Marvunapp, you'l see his History only reaches the begining of Book #2, and summerizes the rest (that's because the 4321 Reality had Nothing to do with the rest of the Arc)
The 4321 Reality is just a Past Timeline of 616.
This is why you won't find even a hint of the #4321
in THOTI Bio or the Celestial Order Bio, at Marvunapp.
Or any other Handbook or Bio anywhere.
Originally posted by leonidas
why does it fail? because while at the same time they denounced THE END as canon (which they OBVIOUSLY understood HAD been once considered WITHIN continuity), they also came up with this VERY lame (yet marvel supported) explanation: something SIMILAR to the events in THE END happened to 616 thanos, but those events (which he is said to have alluded to in his series) were never depicted. so, "our" thanos actually referenced something the readers have not seen in his series.assinine? clearly. and yet an explanation of sorts with the added bonus that it also serves to keep everything else IN that series in continuity AND leaves an opening for a story that could potentially be written to clear the whole mess once and for all. 🙂
The problem is until that event is actually revealed on panel, we have to believe he was referring to The End series.
We can't go by speculation that just happened off panel. Like when Spiderman said Sentry stalemated Galactus. You'd be hard pressed to find anyone who would use that as an actual feat because we don't know what happened there and what the circumstances are.
So for me (and I know you feel differently, which is cool), I will believe the series in canon until Marvel shows otherwise on panel.
