Thanos with heart of universe vs darkseid with ALE

Originally posted by Mr Master
The Heart of the Infinite is the power of TOAA!

Thanos says,

"The Source from which all other power throughout Time & Space springs"

Captain Marvel says,

"There's a complexity to these energies

I cannot even pretend to comprehend even with my Cosmic Awareness"

Akhenatan says,

"You have tapped into the [B]Supreme Power"

Akhenatan made Eternity and Infinity go blind, Akhenatan was drawing on THOTI's power, Thanos who had now merged with THOTI, warps Ak. into a butterfly with a thought:

[/B]

You have tapped into the Supreme power. Not you have the supreme power. Try again.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You have tapped into the Supreme power. Not you have the supreme power. Try again.

OK really. Thats the worst rebuttal I've ever seen.

Originally posted by Mr Master
(Remember I said ... REMEMBER THIS) Watch Thanos [B]change his tune.

Here is Thanos changing his tune about who's Power he has:

"had shown me the Error of certain assumptions on my part,

foremost the conclusion that the Previous Almighty had been nothing but mindless energy"

"the Trap I blundered into"

"what better way to handle a Cosmic dilemma than to pass off the responsibility to an unsuspecting fool?"

Thanos says,

"What madness had the Almighty, choosing me for such a task?"

"Surely He must have realized I would never..."

Eternity says,

"I demand you relinquish the Supreme Power you have stolen"

Thanos replies,

"more like GIVEN to me"

Thanos says,

"Your Lord & Master (who could this be) hm has abandoned you Eternity"

Thanos says,

"Eternity, you must sense that Everything the Almighty was I now am,

did you ever dare demand anything from Him"

Eternity responds,

No, but .... (Eternity is actually acknowledging that Thanos speaks the truth) [/B]

Originally posted by Mr Master
The Heart of the Infinite is the power of TOAA!

Thanos says,

"The Source from which all other power throughout Time & Space springs"

Captain Marvel says,

"There's a complexity to these energies

I cannot even pretend to comprehend even with my Cosmic Awareness"

Akhenatan says,

"You have tapped into the [B]Supreme Power"

Akhenatan made Eternity and Infinity go blind, Akhenatan was drawing on THOTI's power, Thanos who had now merged with THOTI, warps Ak. into a butterfly with a thought:

[/B]

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
OK really. Thats the worst rebuttal I've ever seen.

You know, like how Takion Taps the power of the source. Or Silver Surfer taps the power cosmic. Thanos Tapped the power of the Infinite. He was never God and he never had his power. If he did, he would have not been duped. He would have been omnicient and all knowing.

If i use a green lantern ring(substitute other things..quantum bands ,magic wand) to do what thanos did..that makes it automaticly TOAA's power?
It is not a definet that just because he became supreme/amighty that he has TOAA's power to do it...thats my point here...debating what he became what he was when he was finished does not mean he used the power of TOAA to get there...like i said i dont mind if people have the opinion that it was TOAA's power..but when in a debate and it is used as conclusive proof...that just wrong.

Thanos will win this..because of the feats he acomplished..i know that..but labeling the power TOAA's as fact is WRONG

Originally posted by starlock
If i use a green lantern ring(substitute other things..quantum bands ,magic wand) to do what thanos did..that makes it automaticly TOAA's power?
It is not a definet that just because he became supreme/amighty that he has TOAA's power to do it...thats my point here...debating what he became what he was when he was finished does not mean he used the power of TOAA to get there...like i said i dont mind if people have the opinion that it was TOAA's power..but when in a debate and it is used as conclusive proof...that just wrong.

Thanos will win this..because of the feats he acomplished..i know that..but labeling the power TOAA's as fact is WRONG

How does Thanos win this if the ALE basically just gives DS complete control over Thanos's will? The Ale by itself isn't a power source. Now a real fight migght be the True Equation vs. Thanos with the Heart.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
How does Thanos win this if the ALE basically just gives DS complete control over Thanos's will? The Ale by itself isn't a power source. Now a real fight migght be the True Equation vs. Thanos with the Heart.

The honest truth is although i have followed darkseid for many years(nearly 30),lately i have not,my memory of him and the ALE is not as impressive as what Thanos did(if he even had the true ALE?).If you were to point out somthing that i might have looked over i will gladly re-think my opnion..
That said even fight Thanos VS Darkseid no power-ups,Darkseid beats Thanos hands down
The ALE controlling wills..is there some feats to mention what he did with it?...major characters that he controlled with it?

It might be alot of blast and absorbing..but in my mind it seems more impressive what thanos did with the HOTU...no disrespect for darkseid at all

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
How does Thanos win this if the ALE basically just gives DS complete control over Thanos's will? The Ale by itself isn't a power source. Now a real fight migght be the True Equation vs. Thanos with the Heart.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Are you serious? What does DC have? They have a being who holds all of hypertime in his control. They have the ultimator. They have the Spectre who once was EVERYTHING. All of God's creation. They have Elaine. They have Lucifer who created, Multiverses. When has the LT ever created any multiverse on panel? The LT has the power of the Almight as well. But we know he doesn't have it in totality. And the heart only fixed on universe. So much for it really being the totality of God's power. So then how does God get his power back if Thanos were to decide he wanted to keep it? If he gives it ALL away?

Yeah, Spectre once was. Yet it didn't even look like he was literally everything within DC. And what about Ultimator? Too bad LT isn't a creator of any kind, you should be aware of that by now. He does some nifty things with a fingerclick like bringing abstract entities back from the (possible) death or moves them around instantly if he pleases (IG / THOTI incident). If LT is capable of holding two MEGAVERSES in his hand I'm most confident he has the sufficient power to create a puny multiverse, if needed. [hint]Even under his OWN power[/hint].

THOTI fixed what needed to be fixed. You can ask TOAA for that. Galan pretty much answered your last question.

Out of interest, when Michael was said to have The Presence's power was it said he had it in its full completeness?

Originally posted by breeze85
Yeah, Spectre once was. Yet it didn't even look like he was literally everything within DC. And what about Ultimator? Too bad LT isn't a creator of any kind, you should be aware of that by now. He does some nifty things with a fingerclick like bringing abstract entities back from the (possible) death or moves them around instantly if he pleases (IG / THOTI incident). If LT is capable of holding two MEGAVERSES in his hand I'm most confident he has the sufficient power to create a puny multiverse, if needed. [hint]Even under his OWN power[/hint].

THOTI fixed what needed to be fixed. You can ask TOAA for that. Galan pretty much answered your last question.

[B]Out of interest, when Michael was said to have The Presence's power was it said he had it in its full completeness? [/B]

Micheal IS the power. And Lucifer IS the will.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Micheal IS the power. And Lucifer IS the will.

i asl like on apost with darkseid vs thanos u say that micheal and lucy teaming up could beat thanos. u have abandoned darkseid with the ale. as i knew u would,.

Originally posted by quanchi112
so two beings together in ur opinion equal what thanos is with the heart. lets face it on panel thanos crushed everyone with ease. micheal or luc doesnt have impressive showings like that. its all in theory. combine them toegther and they still coulndt beat all of dc's heroes and villains with spectre against them. and if u think so it is only speculations
THANOS HAS DONE IT. FACT. NO SPECULATING THERE. and also quit assuming darkseid with the ale could win becuz u dont even know how powerufl he is with it he doesnt have any feats that match with what thanos did. its only ur weak speculation.

You are truly pathetic and silly. The Spectre alone can beat everyone in DC and Michael and Lucifer both have already proven to be his superior. ANd mike and lucifer together are superior to thanos with the heart. Thanos didn't have God's power and he certainly didn't have God's omnicience and will, which is basically what makes God, God.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You are truly pathetic and silly. The Spectre alone can beat everyone in DC and Michael and Lucifer both have already proven to be his superior. ANd mike and lucifer together are superior to thanos with the heart. Thanos didn't have God's power and he certainly didn't have God's omnicience and will, which is basically what makes God, God.

Originally posted by quanchi112
the spectre was on the ropes against shazam. do u think shazam who put spectre to the test, makes spectre able to take on everyone at once. no. spectre should have mauled shazam. he beat him, but not with ease. thanos beat everyone with ease at once. WHAT DONT U GET ABOUT THAT. THANOS HAS INSURMOUNTABLE WILLPOWER AND THE MIND TO USE THE HEART. THAT IS WHY HE ADAPTED SO QUICKLY. thanos beat living tribunal who is more powerful than spectre. living tribunal is judge of mutlirverse and doesnt get manilpultaed into takin out all magic users. thanos beat him with ease. and dont make me bring up the batman fight. if dcs strongest charcter in the whole universe gets in fistfights withbatman, i lost all respect for dc universe.

Idiot. That was a hostless Spectre. Your argument is therefore full of it. Now go learn something.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
How does Thanos win this if the ALE basically just gives DS complete control over Thanos's will? The Ale by itself isn't a power source. Now a real fight migght be the True Equation vs. Thanos with the Heart.

Never answered my questions. If the ALE gives Darkseid complete control over willpower (like you said), can he control Lucifer?

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Never answered my questions. If the ALE gives Darkseid complete control over willpower (like you said), can he control Lucifer?

That is the question. According to what the ALe is, it controlls the will of ALL living things. Weather or not lucifer is catagorized as an actual living thing is the question. I think Lucifer is an abstract since he is the just the personification of God's will. So I don't think it would work on Lucifer. Lucifer is Will. No one in comics has more of it than him.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
That is the question. According to what the ALe is, it controlls the will of ALL living things. Weather or not lucifer is catagorized as an actual living thing is the question. I think Lucifer is an abstract since he is the just the personification of God's will. So I don't think it would work on Lucifer. Lucifer is Will. No one in comics has more of it than him.

So then we have to question if the ALE would even work on all abstracts in general.

But I don't think Lucifer is an abstract. The Endless are abstract. Lucifer seems like he's just an extremely powerful angel (and one of the most powerful characters in DC).

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Idiot. That was a hostless Spectre. Your argument is therefore full of it. Now go learn something.