Thanos with heart of universe vs darkseid with ALE

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You spew utter rediculousness. Lucifer easily pwns the energy with in micheal. Mike is the literal power of God. The source is above the Spectre. The Godwave, which is only a small part of the source's power, was able to pwn all of heaven. now get lost.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You spew utter rediculousness. Lucifer easily pwns the energy with in micheal. Mike is the literal power of God.

Michael was dead when his energy was released.

It's not like he was alive when Lucifer manipulated the energies within him. ermm

Originally posted by Mr Master
I can't wait to see your response within the hour, when I post the undoubtable PROOF.

you clueless thing.

This is by far the dumbest shit I have read.

If On Panel illustrations and Bio statements together can't be evidence of what took place,

what can?

Bio's mean what? WW's Bio says she is as strong as Superman. But on this board, people don't take that to mean much without actual feats to back it up. Save the bios. you can't link a bio with panel things and come up with your own conclusions. Unless the Bio specifically states the on panel proof as evidence to back up what the bio is saying. you can't say that the LT's bio says he is 2nd only to God, and then say becuz the heart pwned the LT, it's God's power. When was the bio written? Does the panel say it's God's power? none of the above. wrong answer. Try again. No use of bios buddy.

Originally posted by Galan007
Remeber though,

Michael was dead when his energy was released.

It's not like he was alive when Lucifer manipulated the energies within him. ermm

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Bio's mean what? WW's Bio says she is as strong as Superman. But on this board, people don't take that to mean much without actual feats to back it up. Save the bios. you can't link a bio with panel things and come up with your own conclusions. Unless the Bio specifically states the on panel proof as evidence to back up what the bio is saying. you can't say that the LT's bio says he is 2nd only to God, and then say becuz the heart pwned the LT, it's God's power. When was the bio written? Does the panel say it's God's power? none of the above. wrong answer. Try again. No use of bios buddy.

Dude,

I only posted one Bio, the Official Marvel Handbook Bio of 2006.

My definitive proof comes from ON PANEL depictions of the LT stated to be the most powerful entity in Marvel by a host of different beings Cosmic and not,

are you seriously challenging that fact?

What's the matter with you?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Bio's mean what? WW's Bio says she is as strong as Superman. But on this board, people don't take that to mean much without actual feats to back it up. Save the bios. you can't link a bio with panel things and come up with your own conclusions. Unless the Bio specifically states the on panel proof as evidence to back up what the bio is saying. you can't say that the LT's bio says he is 2nd only to God, and then say becuz the heart pwned the LT, it's God's power. When was the bio written? Does the panel say it's God's power? none of the above. wrong answer. Try again. No use of bios buddy.

I'm curious. Since it was never stated on panel to be the power of TOAA, then you said the HOTI isn't. Okay.

When Mxy destroyed the multiverse in World's Funniest, he stated he destroyed EVERYTHING. The only thing left was him and Batmite. So, that means he destroyed Michael, Lucifer, Spectre, the Source, Ultimator, even the GEB and Presence, right?

Originally posted by celestialdemon
I'm curious. Since it was never stated on panel to be the power of TOAA, then you said the HOTI isn't. Okay.

When Mxy destroyed the multiverse in World's Funniest, he stated he destroyed EVERYTHING. The only thing left was him and Batmite. So, that means he destroyed Michael, Lucifer, Spectre, the Source, Ultimator, even the GEB and Presence, right?

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Thanks. I try to keep it civilized unless I'm debating with someone totally illogical like 2damn.

My thing is, if it wasn't TOAA who was influencing Thanos, why didn't he have the LT stop him? And if it was TOAA, then he would make sure the HOTI had at least enough power to stop his 2nd in command and all the other abstracts combined.

So, if it's not TOAA's power, then it's at least more powerful than anything else we've seen in Marvel (with the possible exception of the Beyonder, but that's a different debate_.

I can except the fact that its more powerfull than anything we have seen..to a point

The IG was never in a direct confrontation with LT, one on one while the IGs user was using it,LT even said such a contest would lay waste to reality(something to that effect)but yet people speculate that LT could shut it off...but then why would LT say such a thing...speculations

The starbrand was never used directly against the LT..and IMO it would have beat him...since LT and Erisikal used proxy;s to decide the fate of the multiverse..now i am speculating that it would beat him beacause i have the comic and the tone sets up a feeling that LT would have lost..but it is my opinion and would never say...i have conclusive proof..i would politley debate my view on the matter

This side debate only interested me when someone says conclusive proof..when in fact what evidence was shown was ..speculation

When in a debate in a thread i try to make the thread valid..if we had a full scale hierarchy...why the need for debates?..wouldnt we just refer to the chart and say hey acording to this heirarchy there is no room for debate...hence heirarchy;s are of no use here in a versus debate

No one is debating the Marvel Cosmic Hierarchy,

only an ignorant individual would think the LT is not above the IG.

When the his 2006 official bio certifies this fact.

"the Living Tribunal demonstrated that HIS Power SURPASSED that of the Gems"

"HIs judgement is obviously keeping the GEMS from working together"

"I represent forces that dwarf even your might"

Both the LT and Warlock always knew the outcome of their confrontation:

"I always react even though I KNOW how things will turn out"

"As we BOTH always KNEW I would"

Why?

Because:

"My Three Visages SEE the Past ... Present ... and Future ... I KNOW ALL"

Meh,

Warlcok himself recognized the LT and TOAA's superiority:

Originally posted by Mr Master
No one is debating the Marvel Cosmic Hierarchy,

only an ignorant individual would think the LT is not above the IG.

When the his 2006 official bio certifies this fact.

"the Living Tribunal demonstrated that HIS Power SURPASSED that of the Gems"

"HIs judgement is obviously keeping the GEMS from working together"

"I represent forces that dwarf even your might"

Both the LT and Warlock always knew the outcome of their confrontation:

"I always react even though I KNOW how things will turn out"

"As we BOTH always KNEW I would"

Why?

Because:

"My Three Visages SEE the Past ... Present ... and Future ... I KNOW ALL"

Meh,

Warlcok himself recognized the LT and TOAA's superiority:

Why does LT say they would lay waste to reality(or somthing like that)and mind you LT said it,we dont need speculation for that statement

LT represents a power that dwarfs his might...NOT LT HAS THE POWER THAT DWARFS HIS MIGHT

I dont have a problem with your opinion..i will politley debate it..but conclusive proof is not being shown here or in your case that HOTU is TOAA's power..thats all..keep calling me sock or keep thinking i just go against what you say because i dont like you...wrong

Morpheus overcame the ALE when Choronzon used it against him in Sandman

living tribunal could defeat the infinity gauntlet it would be one helluvashow but he could do it. the heart howver trumps lt like a kid. bottome line is thanos with the heart is second only to God so he could defeat darkseid with the ale with ease.

Originally posted by quanchi112
living tribunal could defeat the infinity gauntlet it would be one helluvashow but he could do it. the heart howver trumps lt like a kid. bottome line is thanos with the heart is second only to God so he could defeat darkseid with the ale with ease.

Lt beating the IG is your opinion,since they have never had a direct confrontation..i can live with that

HOTU trumps the IG like a kid...in your opinion..which i agree with on panel proof..yes..like a kid well i would say no

Defeat Darkseid with the ALE with ease...deabatable,which is why we are here,but hey i respect your opinion...just dont force it down my throat as conclusive proof..no problems here 🙂

Originally posted by starlock
Why does LT say they would lay waste to reality(or somthing like that)and mind you LT said it,we dont need speculation for that statement

Because it would.

Either Warlock gave up the IG willingly, and avoid having the Reality around him destroyed

while still losing the IG anyway.

Or,

give uo the IG willingly.

note:

Warlock had just saved the universe and thought he was deserving of the IG. LT gave him a chance to give up his power. It doesn't mean he couldn't have taken it away. In the past, he's given people chances to rectify problems before he takes action.

Originally posted by starlock
LT represents a power that dwarfs his might...NOT LT HAS THE POWER THAT DWARFS HIS MIGHT

LT said that, right after LT himself demonstrated the power to stop the IG in it's attack.

Also, why would LT be saying that if it made no difference?

Who cares if he represents TOAA if he doesn't have the power himself to do something.

Obviously, the purpose of the LT stating that AFTER stopping the IG in the middle of an attack is to prove, he's more powerful than it.

Again, the Bio confirms this.

Or is it possible, that you can interpret the relevant issue better than Marvel?

Originally posted by starlock
I dont have a problem with your opinion..i will politley debate it..but conclusive proof is not being shown here or in your case that HOTU is TOAA's power..thats all..

We shall see.

Originally posted by starlock
Lt beating the IG is your opinion,since they have never had a direct confrontation..i can live with that

HOTU trumps the IG like a kid...in your opinion..which i agree with on panel proof..yes..like a kid well i would say no

Defeat Darkseid with the ALE with ease...deabatable,which is why we are here,but hey i respect your opinion...just dont force it down my throat as conclusive proof..no problems here 🙂

ALE vs. IG is either a stalemate or win for the ALE.

Reasoning: The IG has limits, we've never fully seen what the ALE can do. And there's some speculation that the powers of 5D imps like Mxy, is based on the ALE.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
And there's some speculation that the powers of 5D imps like Mxy, is based on the ALE.

Other then that, Mxy has been show as being FAR superior to any version of the ALE we've seen to date.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
ALE vs. IG is either a stalemate or win for the ALE.

Reasoning: The IG has limits, we've never fully seen what the ALE can do. And there's some speculation that the powers of 5D imps like Mxy, is based on the ALE.

Thanos w/Heart of the Infinite wins

Originally posted by Galan007
Only if you count that little note Mxy wrote to DS in "World's Funnest"... 😬

Other then that, Mxy has been show as being FAR superior to any version of the ALE we've seen to date.

Not that. 😛 Emperor Joker. Remember the meeting with the quintessence?

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