Thanos with heart of universe vs darkseid with ALE

Originally posted by Mr Master
is that it's the power of TOAA (or the Supreme Being or HE) as it's refered to plenty of times.

I'll be posting them all, to stomp out the bull shit from ignorant debaters.

Thanos undoubtedly had "The Almighty's" power in some way, shape, or form...

Thanos-
"Surely Eternity, you must sense that everything the Almighty was, I now am"

"Did you ever dare demand anything from him?"

Eternity-
"No, but...":

Thanos-
"And I, like he was, am now the author of ALL that will be":

Take them for what they're worth. ermm

Originally posted by Galan007
This is the best evidence I could find...

Thanos undoubtedly had "The Almighty's" power in some way, shape, or form...

Thanos-
"Surely Eternity, you must sense that [b]everything the Almighty was, I now am"

"Did you ever dare demand anything from him?"

Eternity-
"No, but...":

Thanos-
"And I, like he was, am now the author of ALL that will be":

Take them for what they're worth. ermm [/B]

How many times has Thanos claimed to be the almighty? Did the LT say it was the Almighty's power? Or was it stated as such on panel? And how can Thanos have the actual power of the almighty and then be tricked by the almighty and used?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Not that. 😛 Emperor Joker. Remember the meeting with the quintessence?

http://img52.imageshack.us/my.php?image=emperorjokerpage317mi.jpg
http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=emperorjokerpage327lr.jpg

The "true" ALE, [which has the power to defy Entrpoy itself], should be revealed soon enough. 😄

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
How many times has Thanos claimed to be the almighty?

When he had THOTI. doped

I do believe THOTI possessed the power of TOAA. All those words referring to him such as 'He' it is pretty clear.

It's more debatable whether he had TOAA's power in full extent. Again everything leans to that he did have. See Galan's scans. I don't see how people think it somehow decreases LT's status when he was beaten with literally infinite power. With power that was referred as almighty and belong to 'He '. Obviously we aren't talking about Wolverine now.

Out of interest, when Michael was said to have The Presence's power was it said he had it in its full completeness?

Yet what does DC have to top LT's best feats such as holding two megaverses in his hands like they were golf balls?

Originally posted by Galan007
Once...

When he had THOTI. doped

He said he was god when he had the IG as well.

Originally posted by breeze85
I do believe THOTI possessed the power of TOAA. All those words referring to him such as 'He' it is pretty clear.

It's more debatable whether he had TOAA's power in full extent. Again everything leans to that he did have. See Galan's scans. I don't see how people think it somehow decreases LT's status when he was beaten with literally infinite power. With power that was referred as almighty and belong to 'He '. Obviously we aren't talking about Wolverine now.

Out of interest, when Michael was said to have The Presence's power was it said he had it in its full completeness?

Yet what does DC have to top LT's best feats such as holding two megaverses in his hands like they were golf balls?

Are you serious? What does DC have? They have a being who holds all of hypertime in his control. They have the ultimator. They have the Spectre who once was EVERYTHING. All of God's creation. They have Elaine. They have Lucifer who created, Multiverses. When has the LT ever created any multiverse on panel? The LT has the power of the Almight as well. But we know he doesn't have it in totality. And the heart only fixed on universe. So much for it really being the totality of God's power. So then how does God get his power back if Thanos were to decide he wanted to keep it? If he gives it ALL away?

The Heart of the Infinite is the power of TOAA!

Thanos says,

"The Source from which all other power throughout Time & Space springs"

Captain Marvel says,

"There's a complexity to these energies

I cannot even pretend to comprehend even with my Cosmic Awareness"

Akhenatan says,

"You have tapped into the Supreme Power"

Akhenatan made Eternity and Infinity go blind, Akhenatan was drawing on THOTI's power, Thanos who had now merged with THOTI, warps Ak. into a butterfly with a thought:

Thanos says,

"I plunged into the Heart and challenged the Almighty for dominance of existence"

At this point Thanos didn't know that THOTI was the "Almighty's Power"

"All those theologians were wrong about Divine guidance and Heavenly judgement, Supreme Power was nothing more than Limitless Energy ... There never had been any All-Father, Celestial Supreme Will or Almighty Self"

Watch Thanos change that tune soon enough. (REMEMBER THIS)

Thanos became One with All (the Omniverse)

"I was Everything ... bonded to Omni-Reality"

"I was a grain of sand in a distant Future" (Other TimelineS/UniverseS)

"My Awareness continued to expand beyond the material and the Abstract,

into Realms I never suspected even existed"

(this is the same Thanos that became the entire Universe TWICE before)

Thor says,

"Thanos has usurped the Power Supreme and now reigns over All Reality"

(Remember I said ... REMEMBER THIS) Watch Thanos change his tune.

Here is Thanos changing his tune about who's Power he has:

"had shown me the Error of certain assumptions on my part,

foremost the conclusion that the Previous Almighty had been nothing but mindless energy"

"the Trap I blundered into"

"what better way to handle a Cosmic dilemma than to pass off the responsibility to an unsuspecting fool?"

Thanos says,

"What madness had the Almighty, choosing me for such a task?"

"Surely He must have realized I would never..."

Eternity says,

"I demand you relinquish the Supreme Power you have stolen"

Thanos replies,

"more like GIVEN to me"

Thanos says,

"Your Lord & Master (who could this be) hm has abandoned you Eternity"

Thanos says,

"Eternity, you must sense that Everything the Almighty was I now am,

did you ever dare demand anything from Him"

Eternity responds,

No, but .... (Eternity is actually acknowledging that Thanos speaks the truth)

Thanos says,

"And I, like He was, am now the Author of All That Will Be ... my will is Supreme,

I will not demand worship, as my predecessor expected"

Thanos recalls the moment he began to absorb everything:

"I acted without thought, as if my response were preordained,

in retrospect, I again considered the deviousness of my predecessor,

was this my moment of triumph or but a facet of Another's Grand Plan?"

Thanos says, (after absorbing everything)

"the Trap was so obvious ... impulse was not part of my structure,

yet still I had followed a course charted by Another's Hand"

the master manipulator had been tricked"

The rest of these scans speak for themselves, (Please READ)

Warlock says,

"Tricked, as much by yourself as by He whose power you coveted"

"you were chosen because of your will"

Thanos replies,

"Chosen and Tricked"

"If He went through all this trouble to ensnare me"

Warlock says,

"What must now be done, you alone can accomplish"

yo, i don't usually give props on this internet stuff, but these are some good debates, man. Y'all doing your thing. I'm startin to like this cosmic crap.

Cosmic debates are kind of a headache if you start going past skyfather level.

Originally posted by starlock
I can except the fact that its more powerfull than anything we have seen..to a point

The IG was never in a direct confrontation with LT, one on one while the IGs user was using it,LT even said such a contest would lay waste to reality(something to that effect)but yet people speculate that LT could shut it off...but then why would LT say such a thing...speculations

Trust me, I'm one of the ones who doesn't believe the LT is conclusively above the IG. I've debated with Mr. M about that before, and we've just agreed to disagree.

However, the Warlock wasn't sure he could take down the LT either with the IG. Thanos w/HOTI had no doubt about his victory, and a blast from the LT did nothing to him.

Originally posted by starlock
The starbrand was never used directly against the LT..and IMO it would have beat him...since LT and Erisikal used proxy;s to decide the fate of the multiverse..now i am speculating that it would beat him beacause i have the comic and the tone sets up a feeling that LT would have lost..but it is my opinion and would never say...i have conclusive proof..i would politley debate my view on the matter

I don't know the Starbrand story well enough to comment on it. All I know is it never beat the LT.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
How many times has Thanos claimed to be the almighty? Did the LT say it was the Almighty's power? Or was it stated as such on panel? And how can Thanos have the actual power of the almighty and then be tricked by the almighty and used?

if he had the power of TOAA how can he be tricke? cuz you cant trick sum one who is all and nos all i just dont get it.

Originally posted by hush
if he had the power of TOAA how can he be tricke? cuz you cant trick sum one who is all and nos all i just dont get it.

Because his actions were strategically planned by "The Almighty", [a truly omniscient being]...

Thanos /w/ THOTI was many things, but he was apparently not "truly" omniscient.

thanos could lose to no one save each God. no one else in either universe could begin to touch him. arguing against this point is futile.

BTW-Thanos for the win

With all the scans shown and such,does it not seem odd that for a story such as this that no mention of TOAA is shown,we see almighty,supreme etc,why would writers who have such little space to tell their story,go to such lengths to not say TOAA?

Write marvel a letter if you dont like it,but all i see is that an almighty(supreme) power set thanos upon a quest that was needed to fix the universe,there is still no conclusive proof the power source was TOAA's
so you have failed to proove such a claim

Marvel writers should know the story they are writing and it seems they purposely did not want a name or title on this almighty and supreme one
which is PROOF that it is not a fact who it is,and definetly not a fact who's power was used

Like i have heard in the past-write marvel a letter-i dont mind people deciding that it was TOAA's power,its your opinion-thats all it is

Which is my point-dont force feed me a opinion you state as conclusive proof and then not back it up