Originally posted by ThePittman
How could you not understand that, it is very plain and straight forward. hum
You had a lot to say about black and white but you didn't really sum up what your point was. I know life is not black and white, but God is. God exists, and the devil (who is not divine or all-powerful exists), Heaven exists and Hell exists, there are saved folk and unsaved folk. This is very black and white.
Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Prove it.
You are living proof that God exists. Your brain is so complicated that thousands of neuroscientists have concluded that even with all of the research and studies that have been done on the human brain, there is still much that they do not know. Your brain is more complex than a computer (imagine that and think about that for a minute). Yet the computer had a designer. Logic dictates that if a complex computer had a designer, then your brain which is exponentially more complicated had to have a Designer as well. This is just logic and common sense.
Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Say I was to believe completely in the theory of a divine designer, a watchmaker if you will. It seems that Christians believe that this proves God's existence, but why should it prove monotheism, surely it's more logical to think in terms of a team, designing and building? Think of any complex structure, a skyscraper for example, these aren't designed by one being, why should God be the sole designer of Earth?
Originally posted by chillmeistergen
If this earth is a product of chance then is you brain also a product of chance? Then that presupposes that your thoughts are also a product of chance. Question: why do things "need" to live? Isn't this the premise of natural selection, that the most fit organism beats out the less fit organism and then passes on its superior genes to its posterity? So why do organisms need to survive in the first place? What is the reason why an organism has this need? Furthermore, if there is no God (I am presuming that you are atheist until you let me know otherwise) then there is no right or wrong because there are no absolutes right? So then how do you explain conscience? How do you explain why every single human being on the planet has a conscience if there is no God and no right and wrong? Who says that murder is wrong? Who says that stealing is wrong if there are no absolutes? I thought the only law that mattered was the law of survival of the fittest? So then If I am more fit than you to survive then shouldn't I be able to take whatever you own by any means necessary? If there are no absolutes then why is crime wrong?
Why does every single circumstance vitally essential to support life on this planet exist in precise amounts? Everything that is needed for life to thrive (both in the plant kingdom, animal kingdom, insect kingdom, and in terms of human beings) exists in the proper balance. You believe that all of this happenstance just occurred without design? There are nine vital systems in the human body that are all necessary for the human body to function optimally. If you just remove one of those complicated systems the human body becomes impaired and/or handicapped. Yet you believe that those nine systems are a product of random, chance occurrence? The human body is so complicated that it takes an individual four years of college, three years of medical school, and two years on residency just to be able to treat it. But here is the kicker: you don't get to treat the entire body because it is so complicated that even after nine long years, and hours of study, homework, exams, you are only qualified to specialize in one area of that human body. Yet, this is the same human body that you believe just happened, on its own, without any purpose or design? Why do you think that doctors have to specialize in the medical field? Doctors must specialize in the human body because it is so complicated, there is no way that they can ever no how all of it works, and how to treat it. Even General Practitioners must undergo rigorous education and training (four years undergraduate school, four years of medical school, three more years of specialized medical residency training in Family Medicine, plus a written examination periodically to remain Board-certified, and three hundred hours of continuing medical education within the prior six years is mandatory just to be eligible to take the exam.)
Yet you believe that this complicated organism just came into being without an intelligent Designer? You probably own that the personal computer with all of its complication had to have a designer because it is so complex right? So then explain to me why you abandon all logic, common sense, and reason with respect to the human body and conclude that it did not need an intelligent Designer? The human brain just by itself is exceedingly more complicated than a computer (thousands of neuroscientists have admitted that even with all our technology that there is still much more to learn about the brain.) In fact, there is more that they do not know about the brain than what they do know about the brain. Computers are not even capable of thought, they simply do what they are programmed to do. Yet your brain thinks independent of any computer program, you don't need any hard rive, software, video card, sound card, mouse, monitor, printer, scanner, or keyboard to think, imagine, dream, invent, rationalize, express compassion, love, kindness, mercy, and reason. These characteristics are extremely more advanced than anything that a personal computer can do. Complicated human organisms created every single advance, complex, technological device and machine that exists on this earth and yet you believe that we have no intelligent Designer? Since when is a thing that has been created more intelligent than the one who created it?
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveNope, the point is that it is not but you can only see it that way, I'm so very sorry to say.
You had a lot to say about black and white but you didn't really sum up what your point was. I know life is not black and white, but God is. God exists, and the devil (who is not divine or all-powerful exists), Heaven exists and Hell exists, there are saved folk and unsaved folk. This is very black and white.
Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Going by your argument that given the complexity of life, it must have a designer; it is as logical, if not more to come to the conclusion of polytheistic presence, not a monotheistic one.
How? God by implication is all-powerful (everyone acknowledges this). Even an atheist or agnostic concedes that if there is a God, that He is all-powerful so there would be no need for multiple gods.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
God transcends human rationality and reasoning, and He is not subject to your understanding no matter how intelligent you may be. So, what do metaphysics have to do with God?
Metaphysics have pretty much everything to do with God. Put simply, it's the branch of philosophy that tries to deal with the nature of reality.
Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Metaphysics have pretty much everything to do with God. Put simply, it's the branch of philosophy that tries to deal with the nature of reality.
But God is singularly all-powerful. The notion that God (who by default is all-powerful) would need a team to do anything is a misconception.
True or false chillmeistergen a computer is complex.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
But God is singularly all-powerful. The notion that God (who by default is all-powerful) would need a team to do anything is a misconception.True or false chillmeistergen a computer is complex.
I don't think you understand, the point I'm trying to make is why shouldn't we question the definition of God we are given?
No not really, it's a poor example. I'd use an example of tidal patters or at least a natural phenomena, if I was you.