Originally posted by ThePittman
This is one of your major problems JIA; you see everything as black and white, right and wrong, on or off. While this looks good on paper this is not how life is, most things in real life are not this way. You assume that because you can’t see the in-betweens that it has to be the other.
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Originally posted by Devil King
Well, if they're all the same guy, then he doesn't need pops to forgive them, but he leaves it to him. Also, he doesn't seem to agree with the plan god has in store for him, since he asks himself why he's has forsaken himself. Sounds to me like there was one dissenting opinion on that particular decision made the board of directors.That's a lot of fun!
But pointing out to me how he had forgiven people all the time doesn't add much to the conversation, as that would be my point from the beginning. Thanks though.
You pollute the conversation with what [b]YOU BELIEVE
. Either approach this discussion from a legitimate perspective, or don't bother.Now that you have taken the conversation from one end of it's possible spectrum, all the way to the opposite side (which is telling us about Jesus' suffering) where the original argument has been so far dilluted by your own distraction techniques.
See, pointing out the sunday school story to us, ad nauseum, isn't much of an argument. Yeah, I saw the Jesus snuff film you call the 'Passion of the Christ'. And guess what? I still don't care what Jesus went through. Does that make sense? Sorry, I bet it sucked. But it doesn't have much to do with me.
You keep playing the "extreme sacrifice" card when it comes to the crucifixion and being god's only,beloved,cherished,well-rounded, handsome, blue-eyed,baby boy. HE's FU*KING GOD! GROW UP! You do god the greatest disservice by treating him like the spoilt, sentimental infant you make him out to be. [/B]
The Bible does not explain every facet of every situation (your question falls into that category). But since you begged me to answer your question I had to give you an answer based on my belief.
Devil King, no matter how many times I explain something to you you still don't comprehend it. I have already explained why Jesus said what He said on the cross (actually I explained this to debbijoe).
I never said that Jesus forgave people all the time (He may have but I never said that).
Like I said you begged me to give you an answer so I did.
I have never even mentioned anything about any movies let alone the Passion movie.
I never said that Jesus was God's, "cherished,well-rounded, handsome, blue-eyed,baby boy," that was all you.
I never said that Jesus was a spoiled infant--you did.
I've got a question JIA, say I was to believe completely in the theory of a divine designer, a watchmaker if you will. It seems that Christians believe that this proves God's existence, but why should it prove monotheism, surely it's more logical to think in terms of a team, designing and building? Think of any complex structure, a skyscraper for example, these aren't designed by one being, why should God be the sole designer of Earth?
Originally posted by chillmeistergen
I've got a question JIA, say I was to believe completely in the theory of a divine designer, a watchmaker if you will. It seems that Christians believe that this proves God's existence, but why should it prove monotheism, surely it's more logical to think in terms of a team, designing and building? Think of any complex structure, a skyscraper for example, these aren't designed by one being, why should God be the sole designer of Earth?
The fact that God exists is not a theory.
Why would God need a team?
Originally posted by Burning thought
so jesusIsalive.....who says the Bible is Gods word? just you....the Bible says itself that its Gods word?its just a matter of believing in something..thats all, theres no proof, the bible is obviously written by people, theres no material evidence or reality that god inspired any scripture or that he even excists. If i had the patience and a little skill in book writing, anyone or I could easily write our own little bible and sell it to people in a poor country who have not seen the bible and say its the word of God....which ofc would be false
But you have admittedly never read all four Gospels so how do you know that the Bible is not God's Word?
For one thing, it is not a fact that god exists. That is merely your own opinion that you choose to carry around as fact.
Secondly, how do you know that the bible is god's word? Because it says so in the bible? Lame answer.
To view the world in such a two-tone manner prevents you from having any iota of respectable credibility on anything you say.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The fact that God exists is not a theory.Why would God need a team?
The fact that God exists is a theory JIA, if everyone has to call evolution a theory, I'm afraid you're going to have to call your omnipotent being the same.
What I was asking you is why the design argument you use so much, points to a monotheistic presence rather than a polytheistic presence?
Originally posted by ThePittman
So who has more power? Do they all vote on every decision? So there were 3 people that created everything and not just one, who created what? Who created man? Who created the planets? Do they have to be together to use their powers or do each have all power?
The Father, Son, Holy Spirit are equally divine, equally omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent.
There is no need to vote because they are one.
God is not a human. There are three Persons not three people that make up the triune God.
The Father created all things through Jesus Christ. Actually all three divine Persons were involved in creation. See Genesis Genesis 1:3.
Each divine Person is all-powerful.
Originally posted by chillmeistergen
The fact that God exists is a theory JIA, if everyone has to call evolution a theory, I'm afraid you're going to have to call your omnipotent being the same.What I was asking you is why the design argument you use so much, points to a monotheistic presence rather than a polytheistic presence?
God's existence is a fact.
Because God is one.
Originally posted by AngryManatee
For one thing, it is not a fact that god exists. That is merely your own opinion that you choose to carry around as fact.Secondly, how do you know that the bible is god's word? Because it says so in the bible? Lame answer.
To view the world in such a two-tone manner prevents you from having any iota of respectable credibility on anything you say.
God's existence is a fact.
Read the prophecies about Jesus and the ones that Jesus spoke (all came to pass). Only God can predict the future with 100% accuracy.
I am credible because my Word is not my own but God's.
Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Stop dodging my questions JIA.
No, God's existence is not fact, tell me how it is, and if you use that silly design argument; I've already pointed out a flaw to you. I can point out another dozen if you want (?)
I have not dodged. I answered your question, I said God is one (there is no polytheism in Christianity).
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I have not dodged. I answered your question, I said God is one (there is no polytheism in Christianity).
So you don't deny that you could be wrong and that there could be more than one God? If the basis for your belief is the complexity of life, this could very well be the case. If the basis for your belief is solely the Bible, then who's to say that's not wrong?
Originally posted by fini
LOL, man oh man, it must be nice living in that world of warped reality eh JIA?!?!SO how do you justify someone who believes in GOD AND not the biblical origin of life ( ie evolution)
I see evolution as a product of God, the will of God,.............. and MY OWN COMMON SENCE , tells me this possible.
Dude, christianity is a religion that is supposed to follow the teachings of Christ................. but then again you people say that the only thing important about Jesus is that he died for our sins and [b]NOT HIS TEACHINGS
So christianity is essentially about the death of a man? ...... wait I thought you said Christ was not man, but God? Which one is it? I am clear on what Christ is/was............ it looks like you are NOT.
So why do you quote from the bible that doesn't have Christ being quoted all the time? If Christianity is a man, then why bother with allllll those quotes you come here day after day with, when it has nothing to do with Christ?????? GET your facts RIGHT nah man. [/B]
I believe in Jesus, what is warped about that?
I don't justify someone who believes in God but not the biblical origin of life. He/she must not be able to comprehend Scripture.
Evolution is a fairy tale, and it is not possible.
I never said that Jesus' teachings were not important--you did.
Jesus is both God and Man simultaneously.
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God.
Again, all of the Bible is about Jesus if you really look at it and understand where I am coming from.
Jesus quoted Scripture constantly.
My facts are not my facts they're God's Word--which are factual.
Originally posted by chillmeistergen
So you don't deny that you could be wrong and that there could be more than one God? If the basis for your belief is the complexity of life, this could very well be the case. If the basis for your belief is solely the Bible, then who's to say that's not wrong?
I have been wrong about a lot of things in my life, but the existence of God is not one of them. God exists and this is a fact.