Originally posted by don't shiv
[through amping her agents who are immune to Jamies power The PF prevails]
dontgetit
Jamie Braddock Warped the White Hot Room ("Heart of the Phoenix"😉 like child's play.
This is the WHR
Jamie teleported Rachel and Betsy to the Room,
then after a short while he begins to Morph the White Hot Room:
He appears flying by an image of Captain Britain:
Jamie Braddock with total control of the WHR ("Heart of the Phoenix"😉
Jamie Warps it into a Crystal like object.
shrug
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
ONLY evidence you have behind the opinion that Jamie CREATED an entire universe is the fact that he shot down stars in that alternate universe scene.
Jamie actually erased all the Stars in that Alternate Universe but yea,
I'm sure he was controlling only the City as you suppose. 😂
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Your point isnt stated or even suggested.
It wasn't exactly stated,
that Fury teleported Jaspers to the Nullified 238 Universe but I was right about that one too.
You belittled me for daring to understand the On Panel account without a need for a Bio.
Unlike yourself, if it isn't in black in white, you're left stumped (like you had to turn to a Bio to comprehend what I knew from the First time I read "Crooked World" and "Anarchy in the UK"
Yea,
you tried to used the title of the Arc as evidence of Jaspers' 616 Warp being confined to the UK or World ... whatever bull shit you were trying to pull at the time,
but interestingly enough,
the Jaspers 238 Arc is titled "Crooked WORLD"
Are you going to claim that Japsers 238 only Warped the Earth?
See how convenient your bull shit is. (slick biatch)
Jamie created that Alternate Universe and that Alternate Jamie,
anyone who actually reads the issue unbiasedly would know that.
Here Kitty Pride is able to jump from the Universe Earth-616 to Jamie's Alternate Reality,
she can o this using Widget's Dimensional Gate:
(Excalibur #18 & #19) don't make it clear whether the Jamie in the Other Dimension is real or not.
The World he lives in is certainly an idealized version of what Jamie would consider a paradise - one where racing drivers are revered as the top celebrities of the Planet.
Until the Second installment we are led to believe this is just another Alternate Reality,
but then we learn that Earth-616's Jamie is manipulating what is happening. When the Mainstream Jamie goes to sleep, not only does his counterpart vanish, but so too do the Dirty Angels and the City around them.
This certainly would imply that Mainstream Jamie Created all of them.
Next page we learn,
Widget's Dimensional Gate that leads to this Alternate Reality has NO Alternate Reality to go to: hm
"Widget's Dimensional Gate didn't work, I'm trapped on Earth"
That handles the bull shit but I'll go further in the next Post:
I guess we should ignore this aswell:
(Phoenix & Meggan linked as one are able to transform into certain beings with powers and all)
Dazzler's power comes from Sound waves that permeate through the Universe,
Jamie shuts off all the Sound in that Reality:
Here Jamie makes Havok's own nuclear plasma blast,
explode the Moon after blasting a hole straight through him:
Right ... cause you can create a full scale Moon in Space in a City size Warp. 😆
Hey if that wasn't enough,
Here Jamie actually turns all the STARS in this Universe into snowflakes apparently:
(in order to turn off Havok's power which came from Stellar Energy at the time)
It's a rap right there.
Anyone who denies this feat is a hater,
all the true debaters agree on the CLEAR OBVIOUS ON PANEL PROOF!
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The stars within Jamies reality warp turn to dust so that means Jamie created that universe?Horrible, horrible argument.
What's horrible is your continuous attempt at demeaning everything anyone else does,
that Phoenix can't do.
"Within Jamie's warp" my ass.
Are you saying he created a Universe within his Warp?
That would be sweet.
Or are you saying it's an illusion?
That would be bull shit
Just because he can mess with its pad doesn't mean he can beat the Phoenix if they go toe to toe.
I mean... I can easily walk up to Mike Tyson's house and throw a rock through his window. According to you guys since i "warped his reality" i should be able to beat his ass. Lol, Just my 2 cents no offense.
Jamie erased all the stars right? he does this through an act of will right? Through the fight with Galactus we know that trying to remove Phoenix from her chosen form erases stars without even applying her power. I still want to know what the WHR was warped into? Looked like nothing more than teleportation to me he pulled the strings and one minute they were one place and then another, that's called teleportation. He used his reality warping power to do it because that's his power to use reality warping to do all things he does, he used it to teleport them nothing more. The crystal was a link so that he could home in on them, since when they first entered it they were pulled there using the crystal.
So after all that waffle and the massive personal attack detraction, you still have no on panel reference or depiction of Jamie Braddock creating a universe. 🙁
Your only argument is that because Jamie Braddock turned some stars within his reality warp into snowflakes then that means he created that entire universe. 🤨
Supposition. Your point isnt stated or depicted anywhere on panel. You've seen Jamie mess around with some stars, you've made some crazy assumptions and now youre posting them here as if theyre fact. 👇
Within a reality warp, the laws of SPACE and time need not apply. They are what the reality warper determines. Outside of a reality warp where a warpers influence does not extend and the laws of space/time are still in place, the warped area could be the size of a telephone box. Inside that reality warp the space could be limitless, defined only by the warpers imagination.
Observe.
The outside of the M'kraan crystal where the laws of space/time apply:
Notice the relative size of the people
Inside the crystal where space/time doesnt apply:
An endless city
Once again.
Outside:
Inside:
As far as was illustrated on panel Jamie created a city size warp within an alternate reality and within that alternate reality he created an avatar of himself to fight Excalibur.
Within his city sized warp, space and time were what Jamie made them. In his warp he turned stars into snowflakes and he turned off sound. Impressive, outside of that warp none of that happened.
When Jamie was taken away from his alternate reality games, what disappeared, the universe? the planet?
Nope. Just the city Excalibur were being attacked in and the avatar Jamie created.
And yet you would credibly try and tell us Jamie created that universe?
Wheres your proof? Come up with the goods or clear your sh*t the hell outta here!!! 😂
Originally posted by LordKaos
I still want to know what the WHR was warped into? Looked like nothing more than teleportation to me he pulled the strings and one minute they were one place and then another, that's called teleportation. He used his reality warping power to do it because that's his power to use reality warping to do all things he does, he used it to teleport them nothing more. The crystal was a link so that he could home in on them, since when they first entered it they were pulled there using the crystal.
👆 Precisely.
Mr Masters interpretation of that scene isnt stated anywhere, hes just making assumptions based on ambiguous artistic depiction. As per usual hes trying to present guesswork as fact 👇
All we know for certain is that Jamie teleported Rachael and Betsy back to Earth. 😄
Another point bites the dust 😱
Originally posted by LordKaos
Jamie erased all the stars right? he does this through an act of will right?
Yes.
Originally posted by LordKaos
Through the fight with Galactus we know that trying to remove Phoenix from her chosen form erases stars without even applying her power.
Actually,
Galactus was erasing the actual Phoenix Force from existence.
The actual Phoenix Force had merged with Rachel completely at that time:
The Phoenix Force tells Rachel,
"ALL I have become, You ARE Too"
"My Essence is Bonded to Your Spirit, the Burden of Power, will be YOURS"
The Phoenix Force itself told Rachel,
"You are the ONE TRUE PHOENIX"
The actual Phoenix Force in it's Natural State is the sustenance of the Stars in the Universe,
this is why the Stars were fading, because the actual Phoenix Force, which was Rachel,
was dying.
Originally posted by LordKaos
I still want to know what the WHR was warped into?
It was Warped. (doesn't necessarily have to be into something specific)
The WHR swirled into that Crystal-like object Visually depicted On Panel,
then Betsy and Rahcel end up getting thrown into a pre-arrange destination by Jamie.
Originally posted by LordKaos
Looked like nothing more than teleportation to me he pulled the strings and one minute they were one place and then another, that's called teleportation.
I know what teleportation is.
Jamie Warped the WHR.
Originally posted by LordKaos
He used his reality warping power to do it because that's his power to use reality warping to do all things he does, he used it to teleport them nothing more.
I disagree.
He didn't Warp the WHR in order to get Betsy and Rachel to the WHR,
so why did he have to do it to get them out? 😕
Originally posted by LordKaos
The crystal was a link so that he could home in on them,since when they first entered it they were pulled there using the crystal.
dontgetit
Where is this stated?
Rachel and Betsy NEVER reached the WHR through the Crystal:
They instantaneously ended up there in a flash. (NO Crystal)
This is the rest of relevant pages of the issue concerning the denate at hand:
The WHR is a Nexus ... represented here as a White Void,
clearly here is Jamie tearing through that Void and swirling it like child's play,
the Whole freakin thing gets flushed into that Crystal-like object.
Originally posted by Mr Master
It was Warped. (doesn't necessarily have to be into something specific)The WHR swirled into that Crystal-like object Visually depicted On Panel,
then Betsy and Rahcel end up getting thrown into a pre-arrange destination by Jamie.
I know what teleportation is.
Jamie Warped the WHR.
I disagree.
He didn't Warp the WHR in order to get Betsy and Rachel to the WHR,
so why did he have to do it to get them out? 😕
dontgetit
Where is this stated?
Rachel and Betsy NEVER reached the WHR through the Crystal:
They instantaneously ended up there in a flash. (NO Crystal)
This is the rest of relevant pages of the issue concerning the denate at hand:
The WHR is a Nexus ... represented here as a White Void,
clearly here is Jamie tearing through that Void and swirling it like child's play,
the Whole freakin thing gets flushed into that Crystal-like object.
The crystal like object is the holempathic crystal left to Rachel by Jean (Phoenix) when the chaos wave hit the Xmen, Betsy and Rachel (using Phoenix imagery) linked their tk to anchor themselves and then next thing that happened is they were pulled into the WHR, they summoned images of themselves, then they were able to see Brian in the altered reality, Jamie appeared and pulled strings using the holempathic crystal to pull them back to 616 earth, where his sister who he protected from all alteration was altered. When Jamie came back after all that it was stated by nightcrawler that his warps were global and his sister said he should not even have the power he had when the First Fallen appeared. You said he warped her room like childs play, into what? nothing because he did not warp it, especially into the crystal that was already on Rachels neck, left to her by her mother, the Phoenix who imprinted the crystal even though she had no idea Rachel had returned from the timestream. You disagree, me too! So now what?
Originally posted by Mr Master
Yes.Actually,
Galactus was erasing the actual Phoenix Force from existence.
The actual Phoenix Force had merged with Rachel completely at that time:
The Phoenix Force tells Rachel,
"ALL I have become, You ARE Too"
"My Essence is Bonded to Your Spirit, the Burden of Power, will be YOURS"The Phoenix Force itself told Rachel,
"You are the ONE TRUE PHOENIX"
The actual Phoenix Force in it's Natural State is the sustenance of the Stars in the Universe,
this is why the Stars were fading, because the actual Phoenix Force, which was Rachel,
was dying.
?????? that's what I said, stars fade by trying to remove her! she applies no power to that, she is their sustenance, jamie would have to apply power to do this, Phoenix will do this if you TRY (he didn't and couldn't) to remove her from her chosen form.
Originally posted by Nikkolas
^ proof of any of that be nice.
Read when the First Fallen appeared, Jamie attacks the mansion and Nightcrawler says he could only affect reality locally until now, I won't read for you I don't have a scanner I have the books if you can't see it or buy it that's not my problem, you should probably leave it alone. If you read it you'd know where the proof was, read that would be nice too.
