Jaime Braddock vs White Phoenix

Started by Creshosk12 pages
Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by Mr Master
The rest is inconsequential with a bunch of sarcasm and irrelevance.

bored

Its funny how you say that whenever a point is made which disproves yours. You have no way of countering a point so you attempt to dismiss it as "irrelivant" because it simply doesn't suit you.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Ahhh ... bottomline:

This Jamie's official Bio from the Officially Marvel sposored site:

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/braddockj.htm#counterpart

"As Jamie fell asleep, the one fighting Excalibur,

[B]as well as MUCH of his Reality,

vanished into nothingness"[/url]But not the universe. just the reality that he created, as in the city which we already agreed to. You still haven't proven anything and are still only offering speculation.

[QUOTE=9205231]Originally posted by Mr Master
EVIDENTLY [B]616 Jamie Created MUCH of that Alternate Reality.[/b]

His reality might simply refer to the city, since that was his reality alterations. It didn't say the universe disappeared.

Originally posted by Mr Master
So I was mostly Right.
Nope, you were twisting the wording to suit your needs... like you ALWAYS do. What's not there you ALWAYS make up.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I'm not surprised, Kitty couldn't return to that Reality,
that was sufficient On Panel proof for un-biased eyes. 🙂
Please, your eyes are extremly biased as you're adding information of your own that's not there based on insufficent evidence. That's called conjecture. and the act of conjectyuring is called speculating. So again, all you're offering is speculation.

Originally posted by Mr Master
[B] Jamie Created MUCH of that Universe,
Where does it say that? Oh, right. It doesn't.

Originally posted by Mr Master
but ... Jamie had Total Control of that Universe as we saw in the scans. [/b]
That doesn't mean he created it though. Scarlet witcvh for example had total control of 616, that doesn't mean that SHE created it.

Originally posted by Mr Master
yawn
And watch as you disregard this post as "irrelivant" like that countered my points.

Fact is you're an intelectual coward, you can't debate rationally so you have to dismiss the other person's points and then continue on as if they were never made. It's intellectually dishonest as well as logically fallicious. Try to bring some REAL evidence to the table and not merely your speculation. and don't dismiss a point simply because it doesn't suit you. It's rude and shows you to be weak as you CAN'T handle the points.

Nikkolas Restricted

A reality is a universe. Just FYI.

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by Nikkolas
A reality is a universe. Just FYI.
Or

http://m-w.com/dictionary/reality

Main Entry: re·al·i·ty
Pronunciation: rE-'a-l&-tE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -ties
1 : the quality or state of being real
2 a (1) : a real event, entity, or state of affairs <his dream became a reality> (2) : the totality of real things and events <trying to escape from reality> b : something that is neither derivative nor dependent but exists necessarily
3 : television programming that features videos of actual occurrences (as a police chase, stunt, or natural disaster) -- often used attributively <reality TV>
- in reality : in actual fact

Its just an event, or television program.

His reality could have been nothing more than the city and his avatar.

Sorry, but try to spin it as you might, it doesn't change the fact that it's NOT fact and merely speculative opinion.

For each thing you offer I can offer alternatives.

Mr Master Junior Member
Originally posted by Creshosk
Its funny how you say that whenever a point is made which disproves yours. You have no way of countering a point so you attempt to dismiss it as "irrelivant" because it simply doesn't suit you.

😂

You haven't disproved anything.

Originally posted by Creshosk
His reality might simply refer to the city, since that was his reality alterations. It didn't say the universe disappeared.

Sorry jack.

A Reality in Marvel is a Universe.

NOT a City. 😆

Originally posted by Creshosk
Nope, you were twisting the wording to suit your needs...

like you ALWAYS do.

What's not there you ALWAYS make up.

Now you're just talking shit

cause you were Proven WRONG!

And it sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder,

are you going to post something of consequence to the debate,
or are you going to continue to try and slander my name?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Please, your eyes are extremly biased as you're adding information of your own that's not there based on insufficent evidence. That's called conjecture. and the act of conjectyuring is called speculating. So again, all you're offering is speculation.

Rubbish.

An attempt at "philosophy" to sound smart and somehow sound "right,"

will not work.

Originally posted by Creshosk
That doesn't mean he created it though. Scarlet witcvh for example had total control of 616, that doesn't mean that SHE created it.

Your rant has made you unaware that I slightly changed my statement,

from,

Jamie Created that entire Universe

to,

Jamie Created MUCH of that Universe, just like Jamie's OFFICIAL Bio states. 🙂

Originally posted by Creshosk
And watch as you disregard this post as "irrelivant" like that countered my points.

Nah,

I'll just Post the EVIDENCE that PROVES conclusively,

that,

1. Jamie CREATED MUCH of that Universe

and

2. Jamie had Total Control of that Universe.

AGAIN:

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/braddockj.htm#counterpart

"As Jamie fell asleep, the one fighting Excalibur,

as well as MUCH of his Reality,

vanished into nothingness"

EVIDENTLY 616 Jamie Created MUCH of that Alternate Reality

NOT just a City.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Fact is you're an intelectual coward,

Gibberish.

Originally posted by Creshosk
you can't debate rationally so you have to dismiss the other person's points and then continue on as if they were never made.

I replied to your posts,

but I noticed you're just being a d*ck,

so I decided to ignore most of the yip yap hate rant.

Originally posted by Creshosk
It's intellectually dishonest as well as logically fallicious.

I'm here to debate Comics.

Are you going to post something of significance?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Try to bring some REAL evidence to the table and not merely your speculation. and don't dismiss a point simply because it doesn't suit you. It's rude and shows you to be weak as you CAN'T handle the points.

Try to bring anything at all to the table,

instead of just disputing evidence with theories and baseless opinions.

Now go ahead and come back with your witty, sarcastic, thesaurus enlightened mind.

Yea, yea you'l probably sound funny and you'l insult me well,

but who gives a shit about any of that really? swank

This isn't a debate any more so good day to you sir. 😴

Mr Master Junior Member
Originally posted by Nikkolas
A reality is a universe. Just FYI.

👆

I think he's messing around though,

he sounds intelligent so he couldn't really have thought a City makes up a Reality. 😆

Everyone who knows about the Marvel Cosmology KNOWS a Reality is a Universe.

Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by Creshosk
Or

http://m-w.com/dictionary/reality

Main Entry: re·al·i·ty
Pronunciation: rE-'a-l&-tE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -ties
1 : the quality or state of being real
2 a (1) : a real event, entity, or state of affairs <his dream became a reality> (2) : the totality of real things and events <trying to escape from reality> b : something that is neither derivative nor dependent but exists necessarily
3 : television programming that features videos of actual occurrences (as a police chase, stunt, or natural disaster) -- often used attributively <reality TV>
- in reality : in actual fact

Its just an event, or television program.

His reality could have been nothing more than the city and his avatar.

Sorry, but try to spin it as you might, it doesn't change the fact that it's NOT fact and merely speculative opinion.

For each thing you offer I can offer alternatives.

What does this have to do with the definition of Reality in Marvel?

shrug

UniverseS in the "REALITIES" menu at Marvel.com:

http://www.marvelcomics.com/universe/Category:Realities

I could easily swamp this thread with On Panel proof,
of Reality termed Universe and Universe termed Reality.

But the thought of having to debate this is retarded,

cause everyone should know this.

(meh, I'll let you run around with that thought in your head)

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by Mr Master
😂

You haven't disproved anything.

Your opinion, which is false.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Sorry jack.

A Reality in Marvel is a Universe.

NOT a City. 😆

Like House of M was Wanda's .. a merely corrupted 616, she didn't create it, she altered it to that state.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Now you're just talking shit

cause you were Proven WRONG!

Nope, that'd be you. You posted the smiliy and everything. But you still haven't proven a thing.

Originally posted by Mr Master
And it sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder,quote] which is why you're the one who decided to dismiss everything without countering it right?

[QUOTE=9207212]Originally posted by Mr Master
are you going to post something of consequence to the debate,
or are you going to continue to try and slander my name?

If you feel your name has been slandered that's on your head because I have'nt called you anything that's not the truth. And besides in print its libel, slander is spoken.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Rubbish.
Then prove it. All you've done is post scans and say how you interpreted events, NOTHING conclusive. just your opinion and NOTHING more.

Originally posted by Mr Master
An attempt at "philosophy" to sound smart and somehow sound "right,"

will not work.

Its not just "sounds right" you have not posted ANYTHING conclusive. You posted him turning the stars into snowflakes as evidence that he created that universe. And when I bring up counter points you dismiss them because Once again you're dodging the point rather than dealing with it.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Your rant has made you unaware that I slightly changed my statement,

from,

Jamie Created that entire Universe

to,

Jamie Created MUCH of that Universe, just like Jamie's OFFICIAL Bio states. 🙂

So you concede that he didn't make the universe anymore than Wanda created House of M... and by that I mean merely altering what was already there.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Nah,

I'll just Post the EVIDENCE that PROVES conclusively,

No you won't. You'll post evidence that doesn't show your point and then you'll speculate as to the why, like you always do.

Originally posted by Mr Master
that,

1. Jamie CREATED MUCH of that Universe

and

2. Jamie had Total Control of that Universe.

Which doesn't show that he initially created the universe, which means that you haven't shown him to be any more powerful than wanda. Woo, she manipulated a pre-existing universe. That doesn't mean that she can create them. Same goes for Jamie.

Originally posted by Mr Master
AGAIN:

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/braddockj.htm#counterpart

"As Jamie fell asleep, the one fighting Excalibur,

[B]as well as MUCH of his Reality,

vanished into nothingness"

EVIDENTLY 616 Jamie Created MUCH of that Alternate Reality[/b]/quote] But not creating it initially. If you warp reality within a given area and close it off from the rest of that area that then becomes your reality. But that doesn't mean that you created a universe.

[QUOTE=9207212]Originally posted by Mr Master
NOT just a City.

Prove it. You still haven't shown anything more than him creating a city and manipulating things in that universe.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Gibberish.
There you go again. way to prove my point by disimissing it AGAIN.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I replied to your posts,
No you didn't. You called it irrealivant and then didn't respond to it.

Originally posted by Mr Master
but I noticed you're just being a d*ck,
You mean like dismissing the things a person says and calling it irrelivant Mr. Pot?

Originally posted by Mr Master
so I decided to ignore most of the yip yap hate rant.
No, you decided to ignore the points that counter yours.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I'm here to debate Comics.
No, you're here to try and show off that you're smart. You care nothing for debate as you simply dismiss a person's post that counters yours and say that they were on a rant and being a dick.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Are you going to post something of significance?
I have. Your inability to comprehend actual relivance has no bearing on my actions.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Try to bring anything at all to the table,
Whatever you say Mr. Pot.

Originally posted by Mr Master
instead of just disputing evidence with theories and baseless opinions.
You mean disputing theories and basless opinions with the person's own logic. I'll admit that I've used baseless opinions, but I used your logic to do so, so if my baseless opinions afe baseless that means that yours are as well.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Now go ahead and come back with your witty, sarcastic, thesaurus enlightened mind.
Better than your dim, dense, limited closed one.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Yea, yea you'l probably sound funny and you'l insult me well,
Just fighting fire with fire. Or did you not post icons of feces and call me a dick, Mr pot?

Originally posted by Mr Master
but who gives a shit about any of that really? swank
You do, because you just did so again.

Originally posted by Mr Master
This isn't a debate any more so good day to you sir. 😴
It never was. Debates involve REAL evidence. not speculation founded on baseless opinions which is ALL you EVER do.

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by Mr Master
What does this have to do with the definition of Reality in Marvel?

shrug

UniverseS in the "REALITIES" menu at Marvel.com:

http://www.marvelcomics.com/universe/Category:Realities

I could easily swamp this thread with On Panel proof,
of Reality termed Universe and Universe termed Reality.

But the thought of having to debate this is retarded,

cause everyone should know this.

(meh, I'll let you run around with that thought in your head)

Exiles in't a universe, its a group of individuals.

So once again, you present evidence and then give your interpritation of it. You still haven't proven a bloody blasted thing.

And no, you won't present evidence of your points. You'll post scans and then speculation. You are incapable of doing anything else. Be it this mater, in regards to the phoenix or even in another thread where you used speculation to justify claims that THOTU was TOAA's power.

Nothing concrete ever comes from you, just baseless opinions, speculation foiunded on shaky evidence. and scans that don't prove your points.

You my dazzle weak minded individuals into swallowing your bullshit, but I can see that you're nothing more than a fraud.

Smoki Restricted

Originally posted by Mr Master
Here Kitty Pride is able to jump from the Universe Earth-616 to Jamie's Alternate Reality,

and back to 616,

she can do this using Widget's Dimensional Gate:

When 616Jamie goes to sleep, not only does his counterpart vanish,
but so too do the Dirty Angels and the City around them.

This certainly would imply that 616 Jamie Created all of them.

Next page we learn,

Widget's Dimensional Gate that leads to this Alternate Reality from 616,

has NO Alternate Reality to go to: hm


"Widget's Dimensional Gate didn't work, I'm trapped on Earth"

So again ...

that whole Universe is cut off from the Omniverse because Jamie's City disappeared? hm

Originally posted by Mr Master
This Jamie's official Bio from the Officially Marvel sposored site:

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/braddockj.htm#counterpart

"As Jamie fell asleep, the one fighting Excalibur,

as well as MUCH of his Reality,

vanished into nothingness"

Apparently 616 Jamie Created MUCH of that Alternate Reality.

So I was mostly Right.

I'm not surprised, Kitty couldn't return to that Reality,
that was sufficient On Panel proof for un-biased eyes. 🙂

Jamie Created MUCH of that Universe,

but ... Jamie had Total Control of that Universe as we saw in the scans.

thumbsup impressive mr m this really makes sense its good to be able to always come back and find some awesome information i like excalibur i always liked theyre art but anyway you never miss a beat well done

Smoki Restricted
Originally posted by Nikkolas
A reality is a universe.

this is true

Creshosk Senior Member

As I said, "Dazzle the weak minded.". 😆

Smoki Restricted
Originally posted by Creshosk
As I said, "Dazzle the weak minded.". 😆

hey why are you bashing me is it because i think mr master is right i thought you were accusing him of dismissing those that do not agree with him but all i see is you doing it i have a right to an opinion you know

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by Smoki
hey why are you bashing me is it because i think mr master is right i thought you were accusing him of dismissing those that do not agree with him but all i see is you doing it i have a right to an opinion you know
What's there to dismiss? You haven't added anything to the debate.

You're entitled to whatever opinion you want, no matter how wrong it is. 😉

I just find it funny that you ignore the fact that he's missing information, and then made stuff up to suppliment what wasn't there.

Smoki Restricted
Originally posted by Creshosk
What's there to dismiss? You haven't added anything to the debate.

thats right you just insulted me instead by calling me weak minded for no reason except for me agreeing with mr m isnt that what part of what a sock does bashes forum members that agree with someone he doesnt like its obvious you dont like mr m but i think its unfair for you to attack others that do not agree with you

Originally posted by Creshosk
You're entitled to whatever opinion you want, no matter how wrong it is. 😉

i may be entitled to it but it seems i have to pay for it by getting bashed by you for expresssing it a little fascist wouldnt you say i think you should just take it easy youre working yourself up way too much and theres no money in it

Originally posted by Creshosk
I just find it funny that you ignore the fact that he's missing information, and then made stuff up to suppliment what wasn't there.

i went through this whole thread most of what you posted was attacking mr m and you hardly stayed on subject because you were so preoccupied trying to make mr m feel stupid whatever your grudge is is none of my concern but after reading everything imo mr m proved himself to be right he wasnt completely right at first but then he remade his statement to fit exactly with what was said in jamies bio which fits perfectly with what happened on panel as mr m demonstrated so well

jamie did create most of that universe according to his bio which is much closer than saying jamie only created the city theres no way "much of a universe" is a city so while you were both wrong mr m was closer to being right

thats my opinion

Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by Creshosk
Exiles in't a universe, its a group of individuals.

So once again, you present evidence and then give your interpritation of it. You still haven't proven a bloody blasted thing.

Exiles isn't under the "REALITIES" category so .... 😬

I'm starting to think you're messing with me.

Originally posted by Creshosk
And no, you won't present evidence of your points. You'll post scans and then speculation. You are incapable of doing anything else.

Actually I posted ON PANEL Proof and Bio Proof,

but as you wish.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Be it this mater, in regards to the phoenix or even in another thread where you used speculation to justify claims that THOTU was TOAA's power.

I'll say it right now,

THOTI was the Supreme Being's Power, no doubt about it.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Nothing concrete ever comes from you, just baseless opinions, speculation foiunded on shaky evidence. and scans that don't prove your points.

This is what you want me to pay attention to? ❌

Originally posted by Creshosk
You my dazzle weak minded individuals into swallowing your bullshit,

but I can see that you're nothing more than a fraud.

forgetu

You don't deserve any respect at all after talking to anyone like this.

I tried to be civil, anyone can read through this thread,

you starting using an abusive undertone out of nowhere, you got a problem and I'm sorry but I'm not into the war of words nowadays, have fun, you won't be able to pull me in again.

You can PM me if you wanna you settle this like a gentleman. 🙂

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by Smoki
thats right you just insulted me instead by calling me weak minded for no reason except for me agreeing with mr m isnt that what part of what a sock does bashes forum members that agree with someone he doesnt like its obvious you dont like mr m but i think its unfair for you to attack others that do not agree with you
Where did I direct the comment at you? Guilty concience? Hmm... were you dazzled?

Originally posted by Smoki
i may be entitled to it but it seems i have to pay for it by getting bashed by you for expresssing it a little fascist wouldnt you say i think you should just take it easy youre working yourself up way too much and theres no money in it
If you can't take criticism of your opinion don't post it on a public message board.
*snort* yeah, I'm getting too worked up over this, which is why you're the one offended by an off-hand cvomment, right? 🙂

Originally posted by Smoki
i went through this whole thread most of what you posted was attacking mr m and you hardly stayed on subject because you were so preoccupied trying to make mr m feel stupid whatever your grudge is is none of my concern but after reading everything imo mr m proved himself to be right he wasnt completely right at first but then he remade his statement to fit exactly with what was said in jamies bio which fits perfectly with what happened on panel as mr m demonstrated so well
What fits is not the claim that he can create universes easily. He created most of a universe, that's in his bio. So I guess this "curbstomp" was based off of was shot down already.

Originally posted by Smoki
jamie did create most of that universe according to his bio which is much closer than saying jamie only created the city theres no way "much of a universe" is a city so while you were both wrong mr m was closer to being right
Closer to being right is still wrong. And I've repeatedly said that I'm fighting fire with fire. I know I'm wrong but I'm using his logic. So if I'm wrong then so is he.

Originally posted by Smoki
thats my opinion
And its horrendously flawed. *shrugs* oh well. 🙂

Originally posted by Mr Master
Exiles isn't under the "REALITIES" category so .... 😬

I'm starting to think you're messing with me.

Look at the attached screen shot.. I didn't see any "definition" on the page you linked to on this mater, just articles and subcategories... including "Exiles"

Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually I posted ON PANEL Proof and Bio Proof,

but as you wish.

No, you linked to them but failed to show how it backs your claims, thus your claims are speculation.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I'll say it right now,

THOTI was the Supreme Being's Power, no doubt about it.

Nope, just more of your adding in information that doesn't exist.

Originally posted by Mr Master
This is what you want me to pay attention to? ❌
I don't care if you pay attention to that or not. You already discard what I wanted you to. *shrugs*
Originally posted by Mr Master
forgetu

You don't deserve any respect at all after talking to anyone like this.

Like I care what you think. Isn't it obvious I already don't respect you? All you ever do is speculate. What's worthy of respect there?

Originally posted by Mr Master
I tried to be civil,
Calling someone a dick is not being civil.

Originally posted by Mr Master
anyone can read through this thread,
And? What is this a popularity contest to see who can kiss the most asses? Sorry I don't do that.

Originally posted by Mr Master
you starting using an abusive undertone out of nowhere, you got a problem and I'm sorry but I'm not into the war of words nowadays, have fun, you won't be able to pull me in again.
Obviously. You'd rather dismiss my points as irrealivant. So I couldn't debate with you anyway. Cause you don't care about the truth, you only care about being right.

Originally posted by Mr Master
You can PM me if you wanna you settle this like a gentleman. 🙂
Pssh, politeness and manners are a form of lieing to someone. I'm at least honest in my thoughts.

Mr Master Junior Member
Originally posted by Galan007
Jamie would warp Phoenix, just like he warped her birdcage.

👆

Mr Master Junior Member
Originally posted by llagrok
Jamie in a curbstomp 10/10

👆

Mr Master Junior Member
Originally posted by Smoki
thumbsup impressive mr m this really makes sense its good to be able to always come back and find some awesome information i like excalibur i always liked theyre art but anyway you never miss a beat well done

👆

Mr Master Junior Member
Originally posted by Galan007
If someone said Phoenix was "second only to God", that person is an absolute idiot, and shouldn't be taken seriously in the slightest. doped

👆 The apprentice is amongst us too it seems. doh