Jaime Braddock vs White Phoenix

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
IRRC we don't know what happened. Jamie opened up a portal for Psylocke and Co to escape. He stayed back to buy time for the others to escape. And the First Fallen never came after them afterwards so he must have done something right.

For all intents and purposes, and this is just my opinion but I think Claremont was going to link Jamie to the First Fallen as Jean is linked to the Phoenix. I mean that was the point of the whole arc after all. The first fallen was supposed to be made into flesh...the whole First Foursaken thing between Jamies friends seemed like a cop out. And I'm not even sure if they're still mutants.

I agree.

It left me with asking questions, either there will be a follow up or it's another Marvel disaster at hand.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
I think having a counterpart to the Phoenix makes sense though, it creates balance. If he turns out to be Jamie Braddock made Flesh then I'll have to like him.

That would be interesting.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Well If Jamie's to return then the First Fallen will have to return at some point in the future, but chances are that will only happen once this Phoenix thing becomes less convoluted and Jean gets all her fragments back and gets a cosmic mini of her own.

Whatever happened with the the Stepford Cuckoos that you know about EC?

They were controlling the Force but Warsong was such an unrelated story to Endsong

that I gave up on it.

I thought Warsong would give us closer on X-Men #154 or Endsong but noooo.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Or the other extreme, Jean Grey and the Phoenix Force are wiped from Marvel Continuity forever.

😄

Originally posted by Utrigita
Jamie in a stomp

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Phoenix for the win

No solid proof, alot of opinons-speculations

Originally posted by starlock
Phoenix for the win

No solid proof, alot of opinons-speculations

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Originally posted by llagrok
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The ever mysterious llagrok,not surprising your only using a smiley 🙂

Originally posted by starlock
Phoenix for the win

No solid proof, alot of opinons-speculations

What solid proof is there to say Phoenix would win?

Just a question. 🙂

Feats- when its stated that WCP is manipulating the atoms telekineticly of a universes future

And its speculation that jamie is afecting a universe to say he can create a universe as fast as some would say is speculation....nothing on panel is solid proof...i respect your opinon of how you think the scans and such show that it can be an opinon of yours..but that is where it fails

Seriously...LT has had an interest in Phoenix,the watcher,and numerous others...

Jamie can alter reality thats all...i dont believe its the winning power set in this case...
Phoenix has vast telepathy and telekinetic powers,transmutation,gateways
jamie is insane..it can be debated that CIS is a possibility..added together it does not feel right to say Jamie wins...especially in a curbstop

Thanks for the polite response..at least we can debate like gentleman

If he has universal scale reality warping, how can he not create a universe?

Originally posted by llagrok
If he has universal scale reality warping, how can he not create a universe?

What if he was a omniversle reality warper? does that mean nothing short of omniversle power would beat him? what if he can create a omniverse? would that make him undefeatable?

I am not of the mind that a power (any power)means that telepathy wont work(or other powers)...especially a insane character

i have seen the dark phoenix shut off colossus's power,we have seen surfer shut off cables xgene,just because he has reality powers..no matter how far reaching does not mean that a lesser power(or different power-set) cant win...why make comic books at all then...yes i know this is a site with rules and to me they favor WCP especially that CIS could be a factor here

Originally posted by starlock
Feats- when its stated that WCP is manipulating the atoms telekineticly of a universes future

True.

Jamie had absolute control of a Universe too though,
as you know he turned all the Stars in that Universe into snowflakes,

so they both have Universal control.

Originally posted by starlock
And its speculation that jamie is afecting a universe to say he can create a universe as fast as some would say is speculation....

Actually I was wrong about that,

he didn't create the entire Universe,

just MOST of it according to his official Bio, which isn't speculation.

Phoenix has never even created a Galaxy.

btw. Jamie did have absolute control of that Universe though.

Originally posted by starlock
nothing on panel is solid proof...

Which is why I posted his official Bio to clarify things,

Jamie did in fact Create "MUCH of that Reality"

not just a City ... that's solid proof.

Originally posted by starlock
i respect your opinon of how you think the scans and such show that it can be an opinon of yours..but that is where it fails

That positive feeling is mutual. 🙂

But it's no opinion that Jamie Created "MUCH of that Universe."

Originally posted by starlock
Seriously...LT has had an interest in Phoenix,the watcher,and numerous others...

LT had an interest in She-Hulk,

he actually gave her a job.

Originally posted by starlock
Jamie can alter reality thats all...

Evidently Jamie can create aswell.

Originally posted by starlock
i dont believe its the winning power set in this case...

Only that's not his only powerset.

Originally posted by starlock
Phoenix has vast telepathy

Telepathic attacks don't work on Jamie.

Originally posted by starlock
and telekinetic powers,

Jamie controls the Quantum Strings of the Universe (Reality itself)

Telekinesis moves matter (in Phoenix's case at the atomic level)

Jamie can move, mold, erase or recreate any form of matter at the Quantum level.

Originally posted by starlock
transmutation,

Jamie controls Reality, changing forms is nothing to him.

Originally posted by starlock
gateways

Jamie can Dimension hop effortlessly.

Originally posted by starlock
jamie is insane..it can be debated that CIS is a possibility..added together it does not feel right to say Jamie wins...especially in a curbstop

Cool.

Originally posted by starlock
Thanks for the polite response..at least we can debate like gentleman

Absolutely friend.

I am very happy i was not swarmed with scans and i was spoken to and debated in a very percise manner...thanks Mr Master i might not agree with alot of your views,but at least its a great start in understanding eachother.i always thought an abundance of scans somtimes clouds a persons meaning of their views,and somtimes makes a debate hard to follow

WCP for the win

Originally posted by starlock
I am not of the mind that a power (any power)

means that telepathy wont work(or other powers)...especially a insane character

Scatterbrain's ability to fry someone's brain is FAR, FAR beyond Phoenix's ability.

Scatterbrain can expand a Consciousness across the entire Omniverse in an instant:

"With her touch,
the Guard finds his Consciousness instantly EXPANDED,
Across the Infinite Breath of the OMNI-VERSE"

Here's Scatterbrain trying that move on insane Jamie:

Doesn't work,

in fact, Jamie reversed the effect and she fried herself.

Originally posted by starlock
i have seen the dark phoenix shut off colossus's power,we have seen surfer shut off cables xgene,

Those are nobodies in comparison with Jamie.

Originally posted by starlock
just because he has reality powers..no matter how far reaching does not mean that a lesser power(or different power-set) cant win...

I have to disagree with this.

Originally posted by starlock
CIS could be a factor here

It's plausible.

But,

good thing we don't have to adhere to Comic book protocols to make a story last.

In other words, PIS and CIS takes place within the pages of Comics, not here (or should not be here)

Originally posted by starlock
I am very happy i was not swarmed with scans

Ey,

I'll never stop presenting proof with my statements. 😛

The difference now is, if a person doesn't get it the first time around with the scans,
what's left to say?

Nothing.

Except get frustrated and end up in a childish verbal war.

No more of that. 😎

Originally posted by starlock
and i was spoken to and debated in a very percise manner...thanks Mr Master

Of course, I only used to bite back, never first, yesterday an old but new hater tried to take me there, it nearly worked until I caught on to her ploy. She must be on her monthly cycle or something cause she came out the woodworks with an unprovoked attitude.

Originally posted by starlock
i might not agree with alot of your views,but at least its a great start in understanding eachother.

cheers

Originally posted by starlock
i always thought an abundance of scans somtimes clouds a persons meaning of their views,and somtimes makes a debate hard to follow

I personally like to see proof,
cause too may outlandish and exaggerated or non-existent claims are made.

Originally posted by starlock
WCP for the win

You know my opinion. 🙂

Why do you feel that WCP wins Starlock? She can move things at an atomic level, Jamie can create, control, alter, do whatever the hell he wants.

What does it take for you to acknowledge that you're wrong? He has given you on panel evidence, shown you Jamie's bio. What more is there? I don't want to call you stubborn, but that's pretty much what you are.

Originally posted by llagrok
Why do you feel that WCP wins Starlock? She can move things at an atomic level, Jamie can create, control, alter, do whatever the hell he wants.

What does it take for you to acknowledge that you're wrong? He has given you on panel evidence, shown you Jamie's bio. What more is there? I don't want to call you stubborn, but that's pretty much what you are.

Its a versus debate with no stipulations,they start even with no powers active....that is for starters,Phoenix has on panel showing of shutting off a mutants power...phoenix has all the potential psionic energy there ever was or will be..there is a legitamate call for CIS...it helps me pick the wcp....

Originally posted by starlock
Its a versus debate with no stipulations,they start even with no powers active....that is for starters,Phoenix has on panel showing of shutting off a mutants power...phoenix has all the potential psionic energy there ever was or will be..there is a legitamate call for CIS...it helps me pick the wcp....

Her power shutdown feats are only so-so. I agree that it wouldn't be complete PIS if she was in fact capable of shutting down his powers. I just don't think it's believable that she would be capable of shutting down someone at his level. If she does, then okay, I'll accept it.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

Originally posted by llagrok
Her power shutdown feats are only so-so. I agree that it wouldn't be complete PIS if she was in fact capable of shutting down his powers. I just don't think it's believable that she would be capable of shutting down someone at his level. If she does, then okay, I'll accept it.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

No Problem...i just think no stipulations and starting on an even playing field gives her a better chance...i would not give her 10/10 though

I just get the feeling people think because i had a problem with MR Master in the past that i dont debate fairly...not true..take the time to look at my post(i know its a pain to do hehe) but i am in alot of threads that have nothing to do with cosmics and such

I am at work when on the computer..so alot of my post are quick and short...and i dont have a scanner handy...i like to verbaly get my message across

Originally posted by starlock
No Problem...i just think no stipulations and starting on an even playing field gives her a better chance...i would not give her 10/10 though

I just get the feeling people think because i had a problem with MR Master in the past that i dont debate fairly...not true..take the time to look at my post(i know its a pain to do hehe) but i am in alot of threads that have nothing to do with cosmics and such

I am at work when on the computer..so alot of my post are quick and short...and i dont have a scanner handy...i like to verbaly get my message across

At least you're gifted enough to know how a scanner works. I'm still trying to figure out ours and how to make the scans look all nice and such. Since I don't own anything but Wolverine, Spider man and X-men comics (give or take some FF, IM and Thor) it's hard to get any worthwhile scans at all.

I don't know how to upload scans from the comics I've downloaded though, wish there was a way.

But anyways, I get what you're saying and I didn't think you had anything against Mr.M. You did in fact acknowledge the scans and posts that he brought up, I see that now.

Unlike certain Galactic storms, you actually acknowledge other people's posts 🙂

Originally posted by llagrok
At least you're gifted enough to know how a scanner works. I'm still trying to figure out ours and how to make the scans look all nice and such. Since I don't own anything but Wolverine, Spider man and X-men comics (give or take some FF, IM and Thor) it's hard to get any worthwhile scans at all.

I don't know how to upload scans from the comics I've downloaded though, wish there was a way.

But anyways, I get what you're saying and I didn't think you had anything against Mr.M. You did in fact acknowledge the scans and posts that he brought up, I see that now.

Unlike certain Galactic storms, you actually acknowledge other people's posts 🙂

To make scans look good ...you would need a paint program(adobe photoshop or paintshop pro) they have one step options to crop/enhance color and such

From downloadable comics...hmmmm when you are on a page you might want to scan-right click on the page and see what options come up....
this is not the place...but i have actually made sigs and such and created my own gifs,i was even a member of freedom reborn- a freedom force game site and i uesed to make skins, hex 3d models and make FX for powers,helped make mods and voice overs and such....pm me if you ever need help...i am a kind fellow who does not mind helping someone out...even if we disagree on versus battles hehe

BTW sorry for the derailing of the thread WCP for the majority