Originally posted by batdude123
They were Elven arrows, and there was no indication that they were forged of magic.
So your under the impression that normal arrows are able to kill gods? Because those same Elven arrows were knocking gods off left and right during Ragnarok.
Also, isn't it safe to assume that arrows forged in a magical world may in fact be magic?
Originally posted by darthgoober
If the beings are inherently magical by nature, doesn't that kind of make the arrows magical too? Think about it, if Thor got stabbed by an Asgardian Weapon wouldn't it still make sense even if it wasn't mentioned specifically that it was magical?
That would be a logical fallacy. Assuming everything in Asgard is magical.
Let's just say for the sake of argument, that it is magical... Thor is supposed to be highly resistent to magic. So, in essence, he's still pierced by an arrow.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Actually... he wasn't...he was not KO'd. Yea..I admit he was slowed down..but if you believe for one sec that he wouldnt have kept going had the ground not broke...particularly since he was unhurt...
Originally posted by darthgoober
So you're speculating using "Might have been's"? The only evidence on the subject is that the GB DID stop(and force back) the Juggernaut. Any number of things COULD have happened if the ground didn't break, but none of them actually did and they're therefor invalid.And Thor said something about being able to take Supes if they fought again, does that make it true? Because it's just a valid of an example as Juggs statement.
Originally posted by batdude123
That would be a logical fallacy. Assuming everything in Asgard is magical.Let's just say for the sake of argument, that it is magical... Thor is supposed to be highly resistent to magic. So, in essence, he's still pierced by an arrow.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Which is more believable:A: Storm is cosmic goddess who eats universes.
B: Bullet KO'ing Thor.
C: Juggs would have finished getting to Thor if the ground did not break.Gee..I wonder where you would place your money.
🙂
So your all willing to accept A & B or even just B is more believable than C:
Good to know. 🙂
Originally posted by darthgoober
If the beings are inherently magical by nature, doesn't that kind of make the arrows magical too? Think about it, if Thor got stabbed by an Asgardian Weapon wouldn't it still make sense even if it wasn't mentioned specifically that it was magical?
Going for the likely scenario?
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
You do know what Juggernaut's powers are... don't you?He wouldn't have kept going if the ground wouldn't have broke, since he was stopped, and then fell.
It doesn't matter if he was unhurt, or unscathed, or not KO'ed, he was stopped!
However, he probably could have later ran at Thor (which is hardly relevant though), but the main point is that Thor's Godblast has cancelled out Juggernaut's forward momentum.
Therefore making it powerful.
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agreed.
Originally posted by panthergod
With the Belt of Strength wrapped around it, of course.You mean the same Godblast that Juggernaut walked through?
the same Juggerneaut that Superman downed with one superspeed punch? 😛
No one said that it wouldn't hurt him.
But at his highest settings, it's NOT destroying Superman, no.
Since he literally walked though the full Omega Effect, I disagree.
Read the book again. Superman didnt down the juggernaut. He punched a juggernaut that wasnt paying him any attention and juggernaut ended up falling on his a** but if you continue to look at the book you'll see juggernaut looking up at him wondering who in the hell just punched him.
He was unfazed.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
So your all willing to accept A & B or even just B is more believable than C:Good to know. 🙂
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Going for the likely scenario?
So AGAIN...
Originally posted by darthgoober
Here we can make this real simple. Is there ANY actual evidence that Juggs could actually walk through the Godblast?
Originally posted by batdude123I liked it, but stopped keeping up with it after Achilles. IMO, story was good, art was meh, and it was a break from the chaos that is company-wide-events.
Is that in Trials of Shazam? I haven't really been following that arc. Is it any good?
But, I dropped it after Achilles. They retconned his ability that he granted the Cpt. Marvels (by my understanding) to invulnerability.
Curiously enough, in that same issue, he was shot in his heel with a magic arrow (despite it being his heel, they still needed a magic one to hurt his god-like durability), and then he was sliced open with a sword.
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
I know, but he hardly uses them enough to make me think he will think of them in this short of time.
Or even then, will be able to use them, in the intention for how long this thread will last.
Actually, to be perfectly honest, Superman uses his “super voice” quite often in comics. Hell, Supergirl used a sonic whistle to reverse the effects of an earthquake. It really isn’t as “unused” as you think.
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
I thought more along the lines of, Superman came into his reach, and Black Bolt let off his attack.Basically stacking up what he can do.
Or in the thread starter's case:
"What can bring down Superman?"
It sounds more like “can Superman withstand the scream,” implying that he’s going to get blasted to see if he can take the punishment.
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Even then, Superman reverses this... how?
How? By mimicking the effects of a sound proof room. Superman can generate white noise with his voice as I’ve mentioned to you before. White noise has control over all frequencies, and the signal power is infinite. Actually, it’s unclear whether it converts, absorbs, redirects, (etc.) sound, but it’s shown that it makes sound frequencies null… just like a sound proofed room.
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
And, Black Bolt used his voice against these walls?
Plus, he has been able to control his voice since he was a kid...
Which, even if said room did work, his voice is plenty more powerful.
Obviously… otherwise the first eighteen years of the character’s history would be completely pointless. I’m not saying that Superman would do this if they encountered each other in a comic… I’m merely pointing out that for the sake of forum fights, and because he’s demonstrated frequency control over his voice plenty of times, it’s probable.
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Difference:
Surfer uses these powers on a daily basis.
Not anymore than Superman uses his unusual powers. Surfer displays a minuscule amount of his overall versatility in comics… yet posters still bring up in fights his one-showing feats he has.
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Yes, of course, but, I fail to see how exactly Superman would reverse or block it.
I kind of fail to see anyone blocking it, unless they were a massive energy manipulator (hell, I don't even think Surfer could do it).
I believe Thor has done it before.
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
I thought CIS applied in the forums...
By that logic, Surfer can only fly around on his board and use energy blasts, because that’s how he’s consistently portrayed in fights. We both know that in forum fights, combatants use their powers creatively and posters think outside the box when debating a match. Besides, if we followed “CIS” in a completely strict manner, we could never have a fight like “Dr. Strange vs. Wong” (bad example, I know) because they wouldn’t fight each other.
Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Worded wrong, then reworded.
Long story short, Superman may be able to do this type of shit against Hulk, but Black Bolt is way faster, and more effective.
And Superman is faster than Black Bolt. Superman has vibrated through an energy blast from point blank range. He can react in a similar fashion with his voice.
Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
I liked it, but stopped keeping up with it after Achilles. IMO, story was good, art was meh, and it was a break from the chaos that is company-wide-events.But, I dropped it after Achilles. They retconned his ability that he granted the Cpt. Marvels (by my understanding) to invulnerability.
Curiously enough, in that same issue, he was shot in his heel with a magic arrow (despite it being his heel, they still needed a magic one to hurt his god-like durability), and then he was sliced open with a sword.
Interesting... however, Billy is the new Shazam. That would mean that when discussing Billy as Cpt. Marvel, we use his showings back when he was.
This should close this thread.
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Sphinx, the one who stalemated galactus.
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Creating black holes.
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Whisper creates a black hole.
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Takes out a damn city with just a whisper
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read what reed says.
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Blackbolts voice can rip a hole in Reality:
*I particularly like the way Reed used the word "SPEAK" as opposed to "SHOUT/SCREAM"*
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Black bolts power.
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If you think that superman can take a blast from blackbolt then youre crazy as hell.
